belaguttman Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Hey guys, I put this together to try and sum up the arguments for keeping the red and white. I haven't shared it anywhere else yet. This is kind of the first draft. Feedback, additions, suggested changes etc would be much appreciated. Red&White.png 10. Red and white stripes are a unique combination amongst Australian sporting teams at an elite level in any code. Sky blue is generic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Why are your fullbacks so deep? Very accurate depiction of our defending style in the second half while leading by 1 goal Well done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dearg is bán Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Hey guys, I put this together to try and sum up the arguments for keeping the red and white. I haven't shared it anywhere else yet. This is kind of the first draft. Feedback, additions, suggested changes etc would be much appreciated. Red&White.png 10. Red and white stripes are a unique combination amongst Australian sporting teams at an elite level in any code. Sky blue is generic Great point. I'll change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dearg is bán Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Pretty solid mate, only thing is i would get rid of the point about the poll on here, but the rest is good Is that because you think not enough people (248 so far) have voted on it? It's a fair point if so, but what i wanted to do was let people who might not be aware know what we already know: that the vast majority of Heart fans are against this. Anyone got any other points that could replace it, and possibly convey a similar message? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Pretty solid mate, only thing is i would get rid of the point about the poll on here, but the rest is good Is that because you think not enough people (248 so far) have voted on it? It's a fair point if so, but what i wanted to do was let people who might not be aware know what we already know: that the vast majority of Heart fans are against this. Anyone got any other points that could replace it, and possibly convey a similar message? maybe only 248 have voted but we displayed all 2500 placards at the last home game and I would take that as a more general support of that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniboi Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Hey guys, I put this together to try and sum up the arguments for keeping the red and white. I haven't shared it anywhere else yet. This is kind of the first draft. Feedback, additions, suggested changes etc would be much appreciated. Red&White.png 10. Red and white stripes are a unique combination amongst Australian sporting teams at an elite level in any code. Sky blue is generic Great point. I'll change that. As good as this list is, I highly doubt the people in positions to make decisions will read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Hey guys, I put this together to try and sum up the arguments for keeping the red and white. I haven't shared it anywhere else yet. This is kind of the first draft. Feedback, additions, suggested changes etc would be much appreciated. Red&White.png My suggestion is you tweak as you see fit (I would mention that sky blue has been the colours of NSW since 1857) and then attach this in a letter or email to Scott Munn or David Lyon at Melbourne Heart FC. On here, whilst we appreciate it, you are just preaching to the converted and its too good to waste. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dearg is bán Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 (edited) My suggestion is you tweak as you see fit (I would mention that sky blue has been the colours of NSW since 1857) and then attach this in a letter or email to Scott Munn or David Lyon at Melbourne Heart FC. On here, whilst we appreciate it, you are just preaching to the converted and its too good to waste. Thanks. I'll send it to them as well. I only really put it on here to see if anyone had anything to add and to see what people thought. The main aim is to spread it on social media. It's also written in a way that I hope would be easy for those not too familiar with it all to understand what's going on. From some things I've seen on Twitter from people who aren't Heart fans a lot of people seem to be under the impression that it doesn't matter because the club's only been around for a short time (and hasn't been particularly successful). I think that the way it's been reported in the media for the most part backs up that view too. It's understandable that a lot of people outside of Melbourne and outside of the world of football would not be aware that, for example, the traditional colours of Melbourne are red and white. Maybe it's futile, but I feel like raising awareness of our objections to changing from red and white and the reasons for those objections is pretty much all we can do at the moment. EDIT: I emailed it to David Lyon asking him to pass it on to anyone at the club it may be relevant to. I got a response within half an hour. He said "I understand and appreciate your passion and I'll make sure your email is given to the people who need to digest it." Edited April 18, 2014 by Dearg is bán Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 It's understandable that a lot of people outside of Melbourne and outside of the world of football would not be aware that, for example, the traditional colours of Melbourne are red and white. Maybe it's futile, but I feel like raising awareness of our objections to changing from red and white and the reasons for those objections is pretty much all we can do at the moment. You didn't have to be outside Melbourne not to know that. I admit I don't go to the city much, but I've lived here for 23 years and the only two places I have seen the City flag are 1) on a wooden carved ornamental mantelpiece in a country property down Warrnambool way, and 2) when it was used as a tifo at AAMI Park. Especially as the new logo of the City of Melbourne is a green and blue thing (and may be seen on the club website) remarkably similar to the Bank of Melbourne logo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC56 Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 It's understandable that a lot of people outside of Melbourne and outside of the world of football would not be aware that, for example, the traditional colours of Melbourne are red and white. Maybe it's futile, but I feel like raising awareness of our objections to changing from red and white and the reasons for those objections is pretty much all we can do at the moment. You didn't have to be outside Melbourne not to know that. I admit I don't go to the city much, but I've lived here for 23 years and the only two places I have seen the City flag are 1) on a wooden carved ornamental mantelpiece in a country property down Warrnambool way, and 2) when it was used as a tifo at AAMI Park. Especially as the new logo of the City of Melbourne is a green and blue thing (and may be seen on the club website) remarkably similar to the Bank of Melbourne logo. The logo of Melbourne is something that gets changed every few years, whereas the coat of arms for Melbourne has been around since 1940 https://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/ABOUTMELBOURNE/HISTORY/Pages/CoatofArms.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ae7smith Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 If I want to watch a team called 'city' play in sky blue I'll watch the EPL. This club is called the heart, and it wears red&white. If they change the colours and the name, not sure if I'll renew my membership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTD/MLBHRT/ESSNDON Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 They own the fkn club, when you by a red car and spray it blue is it a crime? No! You fkn own it. Go spend time with your family and stop crying over the red and white that produced nothing but poor results the last three seasons. City all we ask for is attractive football that comes with results, the rest is yours just make it happen. If ppl have a problem with the richest club saving us from embarising ourselves even more, then go start up a forum and call it Sooks Are Us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 They own the fkn club, when you by a red car and spray it blue is it a crime? No! You fkn own it. Brilliant. 10/10 analogy. Would read again... :clap: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniboi Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 They own the fkn club, when you by a red car and spray it blue is it a crime? No! You fkn own it. Go spend time with your family and stop crying over the red and white that produced nothing but poor results the last three seasons. City all we ask for is attractive football that comes with results, the rest is yours just make it happen. If ppl have a problem with the richest club saving us from embarising ourselves even more, then go start up a forum and call it Sooks Are Us! They can play in the hot pink like Palermo for all I care if it gives us a decent defence. The last 20 minutes against WSW was simply unacceptable at any level. I'm still waiting for heads to start rolling, starting with our forwards who couldn't hit water if they were fucking skiing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M13 Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 If the home shirt becomes blue I bet there will be lots and lots of sweeteners added.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Heartspur Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 If all we were concerned with was results, we'd all be supporting Brisbane wouldn't we? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M13 Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 In general people are somewhat concerned about results.. It´s the difference between say Chelsea and Brentford in London. Results was what created the divide between them, results created the fanbase, the bigger stadium, it brought in the sponsors etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Heartspur Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 According to some the colours mean nothing, it's all about results. The rest of us are 'sooks' whoshould go start another forum. Last time I checked this was the 'Melbourne Heart Supporters Forum'. Now which ones of us are on the wrong forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTD/MLBHRT/ESSNDON Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Melbourne Heart is owned by....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD. Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 They own the fkn club, when you by a red car and spray it blue is it a crime? No! You fkn own it. Go spend time with your family and stop crying over the red and white that produced nothing but poor results the last three seasons. City all we ask for is attractive football that comes with results, the rest is yours just make it happen. If ppl have a problem with the richest club saving us from embarising ourselves even more, then go start up a forum and call it Sooks Are Us! This is what Seda does to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Heartspur Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Melbourne Heart is owned by....? The same people that own you apparently! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexli Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 If the home shirt becomes blue I bet there will be lots and lots of sweeteners added.. Loan Yaya Toure and Silva to us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexxandro Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Melbourne Heart is owned by....? Be funny if the person/group who owns this website came on and changed your username to ARSNL/MLBVIC/CRLTN. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fentonthescreamingcactus Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Melbourne Heart is owned by....? Unfortunately from your point of veiw not south melbourne. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 (edited) He is enjoying this as we all know what colours are on a Greek flag Finally he will have his Hellas colours Edited April 18, 2014 by Jestr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozza Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 They own the fkn club, when you by a red car and spray it blue is it a crime? No! You fkn own it. Melbourne Heart is owned by....? You're analogy is incorrect. When you lease a car, can you just freely go and change the colour? No, you can't. It is actually a crime because it is something you don't own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 They own the fkn club, when you by a red car and spray it blue is it a crime? No! You fkn own it. Go spend time with your family and stop crying over the red and white that produced nothing but poor results the last three seasons. City all we ask for is attractive football that comes with results, the rest is yours just make it happen. If ppl have a problem with the richest club saving us from embarising ourselves even more, then go start up a forum and call it Sooks Are Us! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Well actually they only own 80%, only a retard would paint 80% of a car. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 They own the fkn club, when you by a red car and spray it blue is it a crime? No! You fkn own it. Melbourne Heart is owned by....? You're analogy is incorrect. When you lease a car, can you just freely go and change the colour? No, you can't. It is actually a crime because it is something you don't own. Your analogy is not necessarily correct either. If is a financing lease then you are wrong if it is an operating lease you are correct. The correct comparison is McDonalds and a store owner. They can't go changing shit unless OKed by head office 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexxandro Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 They own the fkn club, when you by a red car and spray it blue is it a crime? No! You fkn own it. Melbourne Heart is owned by....? You're analogy is incorrect. When you lease a car, can you just freely go and change the colour? No, you can't. It is actually a crime because it is something you don't own. Your analogy is not necessarily correct either. If is a financing lease then you are wrong if it is an operating lease you are correct. The correct comparison is McDonalds and a store owner. They can't go changing shit unless OKed by head office So many bad analogies my head hurts. Analogies are over-rated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 They own the fkn club, when you by a red car and spray it blue is it a crime? No! You fkn own it. Go spend time with your family and stop crying over the red and white that produced nothing but poor results the last three seasons. City all we ask for is attractive football that comes with results, the rest is yours just make it happen. If ppl have a problem with the richest club saving us from embarising ourselves even more, then go start up a forum and call it Sooks Are Us! Massimo Murdocca for captain next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 They own the fkn club, when you by a red car and spray it blue is it a crime? No! You fkn own it. Go spend time with your family and stop crying over the red and white that produced nothing but poor results the last three seasons. City all we ask for is attractive football that comes with results, the rest is yours just make it happen. If ppl have a problem with the richest club saving us from embarising ourselves even more, then go start up a forum and call it Sooks Are Us! Massimo Murdocca for captain next season. He'll be lucky to get on the field. Kisnorbo the obvious choice ATM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 They own the fkn club, when you by a red car and spray it blue is it a crime? No! You fkn own it. Go spend time with your family and stop crying over the red and white that produced nothing but poor results the last three seasons. City all we ask for is attractive football that comes with results, the rest is yours just make it happen. If ppl have a problem with the richest club saving us from embarising ourselves even more, then go start up a forum and call it Sooks Are Us! Massimo Murdocca for captain next season. He'll be lucky to get on the field. Kisnorbo the obvious choice ATM. If you talking obviousness ............ Hoffman is the man His single goal had us off the bottom of the ladder for few minutes at least 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Aardvark Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Jason Hoffman for captain. He scores when he wants! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 As much as I like Kisnorbo and I think every team needs one of those old school defenders. I would much rather a captain who controls the team on field tactically, tells players where to go what position etc. I don't think Kisnorbo can do that as the passing game seems to be his weak link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
United Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Was about to say that Dylan, being captain isn't just about bleeding for the team, it's about being able to, like you said, provide a cool head and control the team. Kisnorbo is a great vice captain if anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozza Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 They own the fkn club, when you by a red car and spray it blue is it a crime? No! You fkn own it. Melbourne Heart is owned by....? You're analogy is incorrect. When you lease a car, can you just freely go and change the colour? No, you can't. It is actually a crime because it is something you don't own. Your analogy is not necessarily correct either. If is a financing lease then you are wrong if it is an operating lease you are correct. The correct comparison is McDonalds and a store owner. They can't go changing shit unless OKed by head office Yes I see where you have gone there, and it is much better. The point was, They don't actually have the right to just change whatever they want, because all they have paid for is the lease to operate the club. The FFA own us, and as a result all decisions outside the general business of the football club must go through them, hence their application to the FFA. Which also gives us a little bit more of an opportunity to have a voice on such matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 It's the main reason the ACL took a spot off the Aleauge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 They own the fkn club, when you by a red car and spray it blue is it a crime? No! You fkn own it. Melbourne Heart is owned by....? You're analogy is incorrect. When you lease a car, can you just freely go and change the colour? No, you can't. It is actually a crime because it is something you don't own. Your analogy is not necessarily correct either. If is a financing lease then you are wrong if it is an operating lease you are correct. The correct comparison is McDonalds and a store owner. They can't go changing shit unless OKed by head office Yes I see where you have gone there, and it is much better. The point was, They don't actually have the right to just change whatever they want, because all they have paid for is the lease to operate the club. The FFA own us, and as a result all decisions outside the general business of the football club must go through them, hence their application to the FFA. Which also gives us a little bit more of an opportunity to have a voice on such matters. Quite correct Bozza. What interests me going forward is if our owners invest money in physical infrastructure, such as a training/Academy complex, either at Latrobe elsewhere - which they have given every indication of doing. I presume that such infrastructure will, in fact, be the property of the owners, and be independent of the licence to operate an FFA franchise. All sorts of possibilities arise from then on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 They own the fkn club, when you by a red car and spray it blue is it a crime? No! You fkn own it. Melbourne Heart is owned by....? You're analogy is incorrect. When you lease a car, can you just freely go and change the colour? No, you can't. It is actually a crime because it is something you don't own. Your analogy is not necessarily correct either. If is a financing lease then you are wrong if it is an operating lease you are correct. The correct comparison is McDonalds and a store owner. They can't go changing shit unless OKed by head office Yes I see where you have gone there, and it is much better. The point was, They don't actually have the right to just change whatever they want, because all they have paid for is the lease to operate the club. The FFA own us, and as a result all decisions outside the general business of the football club must go through them, hence their application to the FFA. Which also gives us a little bit more of an opportunity to have a voice on such matters. Lol. No. They do own the club (80%). That club owns a licence to operate in the A-League. Of which the licence has stringent conditions attached to it. There is no "leasing" involved. The application to the FFA is highly likely one of those conditions. It is not because the FFA own us. The end result is probably no different though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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