Libero Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 retarded argument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defibrillator Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 I'm not sure the buying decent players argument flies anymore, Western Sydney has shown that with the right coaching, a team of pretty stock standard players can do a lot, is a matter of playing to their strengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Alright boys, I obviously started a retarded argument, time to move on red or dead ! You started it! Oh yeah, you just said that...okay, moving on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defibrillator Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 I'm not sure the buying decent players argument flies anymore, Western Sydney has shown that with the right coaching, a team of pretty stock standard players can do a lot, is a matter of playing to their strengths. Michael Holding was commenting a cricket match when he said "there are two canals outside the ground, and he's hit that ball to the far canal". Well done Tommykins - you've hit that for six. There are soooo many teams around the world with limited budgets and poor facilities which impede player payments and the ability to attract "stars". Yet they punch above their weight. Their success can be attributed to a sound culture and strong leadership. It's early days in our history, but this is where the gold is. This is where we are failing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAiDaN66 Posted March 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 retarded argument Unnecessary argument* -.- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 We may be poor but how many aleague teams have a moat around their HQ? amiright? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXJawsaXx Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 I'm not sure the buying decent players argument flies anymore, Western Sydney has shown that with the right coaching, a team of pretty stock standard players can do a lot, is a matter of playing to their strengths. Michael Holding was commenting a cricket match when he said "there are two canals outside the ground, and he's hit that ball to the far canal". Well done Tommykins - you've hit that for six. There are soooo many teams around the world with limited budgets and poor facilities which impede player payments and the ability to attract "stars". Yet they punch above their weight. Their success can be attributed to a sound culture and strong leadership. It's early days in our history, but this is where the gold is. This is where we are failing. Swansea City is an example here, limited budget, but a good coach, good mentality and culture, and guess what. They are 9th at the moment in only their second PL season, they won a cup after beating the likes of Chelsea and they are going through to the Europa league next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attack11 Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 People on this forum fail to understand and accept... Football is the product that people buy whilst there is some argument that suggest improving the game day experience would help, at the end of the day pre game entertainment, media interview, marketing campaign for each game all go out the window and the Football takes centre stage and it's what people remember and talk about post game... Football is the product and that includes good and exciting players, a fit and firing team, and of course a good coach to bring all this together. Do we have that in JA? IMO No I support comments about the Heart under achieving this season. Think about this.. if we would have got the 3pts against Wellington in Rd 2, and the 3pts against the Jets (3-3) draw and got the win against Syd Fc (0-0) draw that's 6pts extra we would have now and I dare say comfortably sitting in 5th ... Is that not realistic? Is that completly out of the question? So we have under achieved ... If the money argument is true, then why did we talk of finals football at the beginning of the season, why did the Media have us in the 6 ... My point about all this is ... Open your eyes and look at the season, stop making excusses to cover what Is painfully obvious... would our crowds be down if we were in the top 4 now? Would our membership be low if we were competing for the primiers plate? I don't think so.. If this was the case our home crowds would be about 12k and our membership would be up not just for this season but for next as well... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozza Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 We may be poor but how many aleague teams have a moat around their HQ? amiright? You know... I have been there, and noticed this. Didn't even stand out in my head as a "thing" but now that you bring it up... it's a bit of a wtf! haha. love it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 I'm not sure the buying decent players argument flies anymore, Western Sydney has shown that with the right coaching, a team of pretty stock standard players can do a lot, is a matter of playing to their strengths. Michael Holding was commenting a cricket match when he said "there are two canals outside the ground, and he's hit that ball to the far canal". Well done Tommykins - you've hit that for six. There are soooo many teams around the world with limited budgets and poor facilities which impede player payments and the ability to attract "stars". Yet they punch above their weight. Their success can be attributed to a sound culture and strong leadership. It's early days in our history, but this is where the gold is. This is where we are failing. Swansea City is an example here, limited budget, but a good coach, good mentality and culture, and guess what. They are 9th at the moment in only their second PL season, they won a cup after beating the likes of Chelsea and they are going through to the Europa league next year. Swansea carefully built a team of mostly young players under Brendan Rogers, play a consistent style and have continued to recruit well. This is the secret to their success, not as simple as the coach. Michael Laudrup has done well at Swansea but failed at several clubs in Spain prior to coming to the EPL. I think that the idea was to compensate for the coaching inexperience by adding experience on the pitch this season - great idea but we added experience without on field leadership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXJawsaXx Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 I'm not sure the buying decent players argument flies anymore, Western Sydney has shown that with the right coaching, a team of pretty stock standard players can do a lot, is a matter of playing to their strengths. Michael Holding was commenting a cricket match when he said "there are two canals outside the ground, and he's hit that ball to the far canal". Well done Tommykins - you've hit that for six. There are soooo many teams around the world with limited budgets and poor facilities which impede player payments and the ability to attract "stars". Yet they punch above their weight. Their success can be attributed to a sound culture and strong leadership. It's early days in our history, but this is where the gold is. This is where we are failing. Swansea City is an example here, limited budget, but a good coach, good mentality and culture, and guess what. They are 9th at the moment in only their second PL season, they won a cup after beating the likes of Chelsea and they are going through to the Europa league next year. Swansea carefully built a team of mostly young players under Brendan Rogers, play a consistent style and have continued to recruit well. This is the secret to their success, not as simple as the coach. Michael Laudrup has done well at Swansea but failed at several clubs in Spain prior to coming to the EPL. I think that the idea was to compensate for the coaching inexperience by adding experience on the pitch this season - great idea but we added experience without on field leadership I know that's what Swansea did, I just couldn't explain it as well as you haha . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePolo Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 People on this forum fail to understand and accept... Football is the product that people buy whilst there is some argument that suggest improving the game day experience would help, at the end of the day pre game entertainment, media interview, marketing campaign for each game all go out the window and the Football takes centre stage and it's what people remember and talk about post game... Football is the product and that includes good and exciting players, a fit and firing team, and of course a good coach to bring all this together. Do we have that in JA? IMO No I support comments about the Heart under achieving this season. Think about this.. if we would have got the 3pts against Wellington in Rd 2, and the 3pts against the Jets (3-3) draw and got the win against Syd Fc (0-0) draw that's 6pts extra we would have now and I dare say comfortably sitting in 5th ... Is that not realistic? Is that completly out of the question? So we have under achieved ... If the money argument is true, then why did we talk of finals football at the beginning of the season, why did the Media have us in the 6 ... My point about all this is ... Open your eyes and look at the season, stop making excusses to cover what Is painfully obvious... would our crowds be down if we were in the top 4 now? Would our membership be low if we were competing for the primiers plate? I don't think so.. If this was the case our home crowds would be about 12k and our membership would be up not just for this season but for next as well... Well summarised! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiz.heart Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 more money should be spent on the squad and the football department, forget the community engagement stuff for now theres only so much more we can do off the field to attract new fans. now is the time for our team to start performing on a consistent basis and to deliver on the clubs promise of an attractive playing style. this IMO will get us better attendances rather than running kids clinics in the outer suburbs or little pissy ads in the herald scum. all ON FIELD matters should be the clubs number 1 focus going into next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazman Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 (edited) more money should be spent on the squad and the football department, forget the community engagement stuff for now theres only so much more we can do off the field to attract new fans. now is the time for our team to start performing on a consistent basis and to deliver on the clubs promise of an attractive playing style. this IMO will get us better attendances rather than running kids clinics in the outer suburbs or little pissy ads in the herald scum. all ON FIELD matters should be the clubs number 1 focus going into next season. community engagement is of course important especially amongst kids that already play for their local team, but yes, people wanna support a team that wins, is dominant and is exciting to follow, not depressing. Especially when there is a more successful and bigger alternative in the same city. Although breaking even is obviously great, it must not be the sole objective of the club as it seems to be atm. Winning must be priority number 1 - ESPECIALLY is a salary capped league Edited March 23, 2013 by dazman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huzie Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 (edited) The only reason we have westpac as a sponsor is because of our community engagement. Edited March 23, 2013 by Huzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 surely we can do both! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 The sponsorship was for three years. It will be interesting to see whether it is renewed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huzie Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 The sponsorship was for three years. It will be interesting to see whether it is renewed. Club was confident it would resign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 We may be poor but how many aleague teams have a moat around their HQ? amiright? You know... I have been there, and noticed this. Didn't even stand out in my head as a "thing" but now that you bring it up... it's a bit of a wtf! haha. love it It goes around the whole campus. They tested the water once, the science faculty did. Its full of cum hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandev Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 If they partner with 10 junior clubs, there's 2k members automatically. Heart have lots to do off field too. Strong game day leadership by players and coaching will reap rewards (our first goal) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbobbobmarley Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 Balancing the books is important, but if that's all we do then why the hell do we even exist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazman Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 Balancing the books is important, but if that's all we do then why the hell do we even exist? well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 (edited) A-League football clubs lost close to $20 million in the season just completed, adding to the almost $27 million the teams lost in the 2011-12 season. It is understood that Melbourne Victory was the only club to record a small profit for the 2012-13 season, although Melbourne Heart and Adelaide United reportedly broke even.Grand finalists the Wanderers and champions the Central Coast Mariners also recorded losses of more than $1 million respectively, with the Mariners already moving to restructure under new majority owner Mike Charlesworth, who sacked chief executive John McKay last week.http://www.afr.com/p/lifestyle/sport/league_season_score_down_UfyEAJU3a6IzQjBPsaNO9J Edited April 29, 2013 by KSK_47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 *shit quoting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libero Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 Swansea City is an example here, limited budget, but a good coach, good mentality and culture, and guess what. They are 9th at the moment in only their second PL season, they won a cup after beating the likes of Chelsea and they are going through to the Europa league next year. we finished 9th too? hahahahaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 A-League football clubs lost close to $20 million in the season just completed, adding to the almost $27 million the teams lost in the 2011-12 season. It is understood that Melbourne Victory was the only club to record a small profit for the 2012-13 season, although Melbourne Heart and Adelaide United reportedly broke even. presumably player sales aren't counted in our 'break even' otherwise where was the money spent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 At the fan forum Sidwel mentioned how much on average it costs per year to run an A-League club. I cant remember how much it was, but it was a lot. I suspect that the breaking even is inclusive of transfer money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 Does that mean Perth, Newy, Brisbane, Sydney and the Nux lost an average of 3.6 million each? If so we've got a long way to go until clubs are sustainable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 Good question actually. By the sounds of it Sydney and Perth have taken massive hits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 I wonder if there is some forethought to the club breaking even in the past few seasons, with the new TV deal that is in place, they're in a fairly good position to expand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 A-League football clubs lost close to $20 million in the season just completed, adding to the almost $27 million the teams lost in the 2011-12 season. It is understood that Melbourne Victory was the only club to record a small profit for the 2012-13 season, although Melbourne Heart and Adelaide United reportedly broke even. Grand finalists the Wanderers and champions the Central Coast Mariners also recorded losses of more than $1 million respectively, with the Mariners already moving to restructure under new majority owner Mike Charlesworth, who sacked chief executive John McKay last week.http://www.afr.com/p/lifestyle/sport/league_season_score_down_UfyEAJU3a6IzQjBPsaNO9J Most clubs won't brake even unless they are averaging 10 000- 15 000 in crowds a year. Even though signing Del pierro for Sydney for example, they would've had bigger crowd's as well as more merchandise sold however, all that money to get him here took out all the profit. Maybe after next year they might break even. They should just move CCM. Fans are pathetic, there only getting 6-7k a game even though they have been one of the most successful clubs in the a-league for a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 I wonder if there is some forethought to the club breaking even in the past few seasons, with the new TV deal that is in place, they're in a fairly good position to expand. I have heard this mentioned before actually and it is very clever thinking if true. Would (hopefully) regain a lot of lost trust in the club from many of its members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 Given that the entire wage bill would be payed for (or at least the club is given enough by the FFA to do so) it would certainly be shrewd. Quite shocked at how badly the WSW did out of all this, I thought we'd be singing their praises for a nice first year profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 Same. Very surprising. Although the amount of sponsors willing to jump on board now would be significantly larger, so next year might be better for them financially Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 They should just move CCM. Fans are pathetic, there only getting 6-7k a game even though they have been one of the most successful clubs in the a-league for a while They should just move Melbourne Heart. Fans are pathetic, they're only getting 5-7k a game even though they have a population in excess of 4 million to draw from. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mus-28 Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 Clubs only lost $20m this season, expect the PFA to ask for a salary cap rise in the near future. The likes of Hoffman, McFlynn, Foschini and co deserve more than they're currently getting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 They should just move CCM. Fans are pathetic, there only getting 6-7k a game even though they have been one of the most successful clubs in the a-league for a while They should just move Melbourne Heart. Fans are pathetic, they're only getting 5-7k a game even though they have a population in excess of 4 million to draw from. If we consistently win games nest season, we will average a crowd of 15k easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 Does that mean Perth, Newy, Brisbane, Sydney and the Nux lost an average of 3.6 million each? If so we've got a long way to go until clubs are sustainable. My understanding is that that's exactly what it means. After everything was totted up, the money flowing out of the 10 clubs was $20m more than the money flowing into the clubs. Meaning the owners collectively lost $20m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexandro Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 They should just move CCM. Fans are pathetic, there only getting 6-7k a game even though they have been one of the most successful clubs in the a-league for a while They should just move Melbourne Heart. Fans are pathetic, they're only getting 5-7k a game even though they have a population in excess of 4 million to draw from. Exactly. Anyone who says CCM fans are pathetic is lacking logic. Considering their population base, CCM are doing pretty damn good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 So it's now a fact that one of the pillars of the club, its finances, are solid. Hopefully we can now focus more on the football. Also, it has to be said that it's a decent achievement by Heart to be one of only three A-League clubs to break even or make a profit this season. Especially when most other clubs a losing a few million each (and even the two grand finalists, the Wanderers and the Mariners, lost more than 1 million each). And whilst ensuring the finances are stable is only one part of management, it is a necessary and important part of managing a football club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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