MHFC-FAN Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Just some reflection on the season so far. Home form this season has been solid... 11 games played HOME - Won: 7 - Drawn: 2 - Lost: 2 - GF: 22 - GA: 12 11 games played AWAY - Won: 1 - Drawn: 1 - Lost: 9 - GF: 7 - GA: 18 Is it all just mental when we play away or are we just really unlucky...there have been a few games that we were leading away/home and the results could have been quite different! Either way i would trade a win away for a win at home any day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Kalmar said in his recent interview they are getting to NZ a day before the game this time. that seems to suggest they get there the same day normally for away games? :/ If this is the case no wonder we dont win away 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mus-28 Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Really should be arriving midday the day before the game to allow the players sufficient rest and preparation time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baresi Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Kalmar said in his recent interview they are getting to NZ a day before the game this time. that seems to suggest they get there the same day normally for away games? :/ If this is the case no wonder we dont win away I think they get there the day before the matches, which is a rest day. In this case, they're getting there a day earlier, so they have a full day of training before the match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harps21 Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 I think JA needs to talk to people from other codes who travel well. Eg - Melbourne Storm or Collingwood to see what they do. I know it's different sport but the general idea and practice is still the same 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melburnian Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Collingwood travel? I digress, yes other leagues can help. I am no rugby league fan, but whatever the Melbourne Storm are doing in all operations, we need to get on that. Best sporting team in Australia bar none. I would love for our club to link up sporting wise with them. Their culture is immense. It is all mental. Attack the game with intensity and we will win away from home. Play a defensive mindset from the start and we will falter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Collingwood travel well because they only do it three or four times a year and when they do half the time it's against spastics who need the attendance boost, like Gold Coast, GWS and Port. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 I think JA needs to talk to people from other codes who travel well. Eg - Melbourne Storm or Collingwood to see what they do. I know it's different sport but the general idea and practice is still the same Collingwood? You gotta be kidding me, what about asking the WCE on what they did in their glory days is more like it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 It is all mental. Attack the game with intensity and we will win away from home. Play a defensive mindset from the start and we will falter. I think you have hit the nail on the head. Our problem is lack of intensity. And it's not just away from home. Taking nothing away from our win over Sydney on Sunday...but when we came out for the second half we sat deeper immediately and were sloppy for periods throughout the half - JA even commented on it and the need to 'put teams away.' And when Sydney were down to 10 men it was they who scored and not us. In that heat with 11 against 10 we should have run them into the ground and really walloped them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melburnian Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 My brother who is not a huge advocate of the A League, kept telling me the reason WSW are so good and we struggle is simply intensity. They play with it all the time, we do not. When we do, we look very good. Hence why in derbies I guess we seem better, intensity is up. JA needs to stop thinking of protecting a loss against opposition and start the mindset of beating opponents. Release the shackles. Get at it and let the players play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Really should be arriving midday the day before the game to allow the players sufficient rest and preparation time. They should've left as soon as the sydney game finished. This game is that important they should've spent the whole week in New Zealand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defibrillator Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 In all seriousness we should use the third strip this weekend, or our home strip. The away sash has become synonymous with failure. Mix it up and try anything different. Nothing has worked so far and the sense of foreboding with the sash would be real. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Our away strip should only really be used as a 'clash' strip and that would only be against Adelaide, WSW, Newcastle and Perth. White shorts and socks against Adelaide and red shorts and socks against WSW, Newcastle and Perth. Red & White stripes do not clash with navy blue, yellow & black, yellow & blue, sky blue or orange so we should wear our home strip against these teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozza Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 The team usually travels the day before the away game, in the early afternoon. Often between 1-2pm This time they are going over on the Friday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitsoasis Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 In all seriousness we should use the third strip this weekend, or our home strip. The away sash has become synonymous with failure. Mix it up and try anything different. Nothing has worked so far and the sense of foreboding with the sash would be real. The players should be shown replays of our heroics at Hindmarsh in 2010/11, straight up Clockwork Orange-style. Long live the sash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sash Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 It's not my fucken fault. Geez, everyone just loves those stripes. Well they weren't doing much until a few weeks ago. While the sash carried us last year! Had my chance at finals glory too until they took the stripes. How did that work out? Although to be honest, I do find the third strip a worthy alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozza Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 In all seriousness we should use the third strip this weekend, or our home strip. The away sash has become synonymous with failure. Mix it up and try anything different. Nothing has worked so far and the sense of foreboding with the sash would be real. The players should be shown replays of our heroics at Hindmarsh in 2010/11, straight up Clockwork Orange-style. Long live the sash Actually mentioned this to JA after the Fan Forum... said to him perhaps he could remind/use that one as an example of never say die! Obviously hasn't done that yet haha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 its not the sash, its the kappa sash personally, I love the sash. I use the sash. I like the sash. I'm comfortable with the sash. *I* feel the sash is a great capper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Aardvark Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Collingwood? You gotta be kidding me, what about asking the WCE on what they did in their glory days is more like it... Ben Cousins has already brought to light what they "did" in their glory days (but I do agree with your sentiment). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 TBH I reckon we will win this match, Sash or no Sash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGaffer Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) Collingwood travel well because they only do it three or four times a year and when they do half the time it's against spastics who need the attendance boost, like Gold Coast, GWS and Port. Just for the record....and to add actual facts into a good argument even though not related to Heart. Collingwood Interstate Games for Home and Away rounds 2008 - Brisbane (L), Sydney (w), Port Adelaide (w), Fremantle (L) - 4 games 2009 - Brisbane (w), West Coast (w), Sydney (w), Adelaide (w) - 4 games 2010 - Fremantle (w), Brisbane (L), Sydney (w), Port Adelaide (w) - 4 games 2011 - Sydney (w), Gold Coast (w), Port (w), Fremantle (w) - 4 games 2012 - Brisbane (w), Adelaide (w), GWS (w), Sydney (w), West Coast (L) - 5 games 2013 - Fremantle, Brisbane, Port Adelaide, Gold Coast, Sydney - 5 games You want Collingwood to travel even more interstate? Then the result will be the other 9 Victorian clubs will loose playing a home game against Collingwood. Edited February 27, 2013 by TheGaffer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Gaff, from the information you supplied, it looks like in 2013 Collingwood has 5 away games...just sayin' 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harps21 Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Whatever you want to say about their travel and how much they do In that past 5 years the have won 18 of 21, fairly good strike rate getting back to my original point of talking to them about their travel plans etc And for the record I don't barrack for collingwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[LIBBA] Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 In all seriousness we should use the third strip this weekend, or our home strip. The away sash has become synonymous with failure. Mix it up and try anything different. Nothing has worked so far and the sense of foreboding with the sash would be real. The players should be shown replays of our heroics at Hindmarsh in 2010/11, straight up Clockwork Orange-style. Long live the sash Actually mentioned this to JA after the Fan Forum... said to him perhaps he could remind/use that one as an example of never say die! Obviously hasn't done that yet haha Now that was an awesome game to be at... Good memories Bozza and a great photo with Colosimo to go with it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Collingwood travel well because they only do it three or four times a year and when they do half the time it's against spastics who need the attendance boost, like Gold Coast, GWS and Port. Just for the record....and to add actual facts into a good argument even though not related to Heart. Collingwood Interstate Games for Home and Away rounds 2008 - Brisbane (L), Sydney (w), Port Adelaide (w), Fremantle (L) - 4 games 2009 - Brisbane (w), West Coast (w), Sydney (w), Adelaide (w) - 4 games 2010 - Fremantle (w), Brisbane (L), Sydney (w), Port Adelaide (w) - 4 games 2011 - Sydney (w), Gold Coast (w), Port (w), Fremantle (w) - 4 games 2012 - Brisbane (w), Adelaide (w), GWS (w), Sydney (w), West Coast (L) - 5 games 2013 - Fremantle, Brisbane, Port Adelaide, Gold Coast, Sydney - 4 games You want Collingwood to travel even more interstate? Then the result will be the other 9 Victorian clubs will loose playing a home game against Collingwood. You really think Cats fans give a crap if we dont get to play Collingwood twice a year. Before 2008 for 4 years we only played Collingwood once a season and thus had to wait until 2008 to lose a game to you guys for the first time in five years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 I reckon their is a science to travelling well. it took the Broncos (Rugby league's first "travelling" club) a few seasons to get it right. Adelaide also pretty much threw away an AFL flag by buggering it up years ago -kept losing away games in the last quarter- "the experts" said they had no heart, but it turned out they were stupid enough to travel on game day. NRL and AFL clubs have been doing this for years now, I would have thought that the "best practices" are well known and (perhaps naively) I assume that we follow them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 Probably is nothing but the team seemed to be training in their 3rd kit at the ground. Maybe the club also think the sash is a bad omen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defibrillator Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Well, that something that was in the water was a turd circling the plug hole. My only hope is that, given this team manages to pull the unbelievable from nowhere against expectations all season, we come out and hammer Brisbane away followed by thrashing CCM 6-0. We can clutch (no rip!!) defeat from the jaws of victory, so I imagine clutching a "wtf???" win from nowhere is also a possibility?!?!?! Someone needs to fix this away shit NOW!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 Melbourne Heart coach John Aloisi says he spoke to various AFL clubs for advice on his club’s abysmal away form, following Heart’s 1-0 loss to Wellington in Dunedin last week. Speaking to media after the club’s final training session before taking on Adelaide on Monday, Aloisi said he looked at the way AFL clubs deal with workload management and sports psychology.“We’ve spoken to some other AFL clubs that travel – what they’re doing, what we’re trying to do in terms of loading, training and then also the sports psych,” Aloisi said. http://www.mfootball.com.au/aloisi-seeks-cross-code-help-on-away-form/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAiDaN66 Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 at least he is asking and pretty much coming out saying he has no clue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 at least he is asking and pretty much coming out saying he has no clue I think its a good thing he has gone out and asked for advice. Its clearly a huge issue for us and im glad he is looking for solutions. He is first year coach and deserves some understanding that he is not going to get everything right in his first year. I can understand why he would stick to his guns until now as although the preformances away have been bad, we havent been smashed, like say Wellington did against sydney or the visitors against ccm which I think with any coach would cloud the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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