TTIM: Things That Irk Me

[True Until I die]

3 hours ago, NewConvert said:

You are correct. What I was trying to say was that if you consider costs only in isolation then the costs of cycling infrastructure would be lower than for vehicles.

The second thing is that calculating costs is not a straight forward matter - for example you say that cyclists should pay for cyclist-only paths/roads but how does the 9 year old pay when she goes on a bike ride?

Ah, a classic microeconomic conundrum. Cycling/bike paths  are a non-rivalrous (one persons consumption of the bike path doesn't affect the level of consumption by someone else) and non-excludable (people can still easily cycle on the paths without paying) service which causes a market failure with an undersupply of resources to these paths, given there is no financial incentive for private firms to build a bike path.

 

On the other hand the government can exclude drivers from using the roads without paying a registration fee due to the greater size of vehicles and more limited terrain that can be presided over by the police which means the government does not need to pay entirely for the roads with the consumers financially contributing.

So in summation- until we end up with a nanny state where the government can track everyones movement everywhere on a bike- cyclists aint paying no rego anytime soon, and if that does happen, I'd hate to think of the Orwellian society we would be living in by that point.

 

[jw1739]

3 hours ago, NewConvert said:

You are correct. What I was trying to say was that if you consider costs only in isolation then the costs of cycling infrastructure would be lower than for vehicles.

The second thing is that calculating costs is not a straight forward matter - for example you say that cyclists should pay for cyclist-only paths/roads but how does the 9 year old pay when she goes on a bike ride?

I did specifically refer to cyclist-only paths or roads. One way of cost recovery is via a  registration fee per bicycle. That would perhaps encourage us to build more such paths. I happen to live in an area where the council spent $3m on a shared bike/pedestrian path - which, to be fair, has it's own problems - but most cyclists (and there are many 100s of them at certain times) choose to still use the road built for motor vehicles. That kind of expenditure of ratepayers money irks me if the facility is not used.

[Tesla]

TTIM: Public holidays.

Why the fuck is today a public holiday, did we really need another one at this time of year?

Too many lazy sooks who dont want to miss out on their precious public holiday if it falls on a weekend.

Edited December 26, 2016 by Tesla

[Tesla]

22 hours ago, NewConvert said:

Construction costs should be way lower for a cyclists only road vs one that has to cater for vehicles weighing up to six tons and even more for roads that cater for heavy trucks. Additionally, maintenance of roads is a big cost because of trucks. Of course that would mean no delivery of anything but when considering the costs of roads the costs of the type of vehicle that uses them and the associated maintenance costs need to be taken into account.

I have never seen any reports on road construction costs so I can't make any further comments.

Yes, this only supports what I said tbh.

 

17 hours ago, hedaik said:

Cyclists do pay through general taxes, just as how I pay for maintenance for your street even though I've never driven on it. 

No you dont, because you're not in the same council.

 

22 hours ago, jw1739 said:

But that's a different question. It's not an either-or debate, a truck road vs. a cyclists-only road. And cost is not the only parameter to be considered in the movement of goods and people. You have to consider convenience, efficacy, efficiency etc. I'm still in favour of a system that is basically "user-pays", and on that basis I believe that cyclists should pay to use cyclist-only paths/roads.

I think the current system isn't too bad. Councils pay for local roads to get to people's houses, makes sense, that I wouldn't touch. What I would change is increase registration cost to a more realistic amount, and that would be your yearly subscription fee to use the roads. Lastly, all freeways would be 'premium roads', which is basically what they are, and so they would be all tolled. Of course PT would also have to face the full cost of PT as per previous discussions on this forum.

 

13 hours ago, True Until I die said:

Ah, a classic microeconomic conundrum. Cycling/bike paths  are a non-rivalrous (one persons consumption of the bike path doesn't affect the level of consumption by someone else) and non-excludable (people can still easily cycle on the paths without paying) service which causes a market failure with an undersupply of resources to these paths, given there is no financial incentive for private firms to build a bike path.

 

On the other hand the government can exclude drivers from using the roads without paying a registration fee due to the greater size of vehicles and more limited terrain that can be presided over by the police which means the government does not need to pay entirely for the roads with the consumers financially contributing.

So in summation- until we end up with a nanny state where the government can track everyones movement everywhere on a bike- cyclists aint paying no rego anytime soon, and if that does happen, I'd hate to think of the Orwellian society we would be living in by that point.

 

Cute, did you just finish microeconomics 101? 

Why does every movement need to be tracked for cyclists to pay rego?

[jw1739]

34 minutes ago, Tesla said:

TTIM: Public holidays.

Why the fuck is today a public holiday, did we really need another one at this time of year?

Too many lazy sooks who dont want to miss out on their precious public holiday if it falls on a weekend.

I've lost track of the history of some of these festivals and their associated public holidays. I seem to recall a time when a number of them were observed on their calendar day and that it was too bad if that was a Saturday or a Sunday and that there was no "extra day" holiday. For others there was an extra day granted, usually on the following Monday. TBH I'm not sure what today is supposed to be or what is open and what is supposed to be closed.

[hedaik]

1 hour ago, Tesla said:

No you dont, because you're not in the same council.

Bleh wrong wording but you get my point

Edited December 26, 2016 by hedaik

[jw1739]

TTIM: Reducing the feed-in tariff for home solar-generated electricity. 

[Tesla]

TTIM: The AMA

People probably think my dislike of trade unions is due to some sort of elitism or similar, not at all, I dislike cartels in general. The trade unions just take it too far, resorting to criminality to achieve their objectives, interfering in politics far beyond their direct interests (to the extent that their political wing is the biggest political party in the country), etc.

But in case there was any doubt that my dislike of trade unions is nothing to do with the class of the underlying profession, the AMA has been doing a very good job of gaining my ire and showing themselves to be the white collar equivalent of the trade unions.

They're a pack of cunts if you ask me, so much so that the idea of dying due to not being able to afford medical care almost seems like a better option than seeing these cunts continue to be overpaid by the vary existence of highly subsidised medical care.

You'd think if you were pocketing giant tax payer subsidise you'd just keep your head low and keep counting the cash, knowing that status quo is never going to be seriously challenged, but nope. Not only did these ass holes undertake a fairly large political campaign at the last election, they now seem to feel the need to give their $0.02 on every political debate, I dont think even the trade unions go that far. At least when it was shit like a sugar tax, you could draw a loose connection to their area (doctors arent nutritionists, nor should they be), but seriously getting involved in the gun control debate?

I dont see whatever the Australian version of the NRA is getting involved in the debate about GP fees, why the fuck would anyone care what the AMA has to say about guns.

I think they've just had too much smoke blown up their ass from being the most overrated profession (GPs are nothing more than glorified medical middlemen really, and GPs would make up the largest group of membership in the AMA) that they now think they should decide everything.

Worst of all is at least when people look at trade unions they know they're a pack of low life criminal scum, when they look at the AMA they think 'herp derp doctor good know much things' which lets them get away with a lot more than they should.

Cunts need to stay in their fucking lane, plenty of other cartels out there just sticking to their cartel objectives relating to protectionism and extortion for their chosen profession, why not just do that and be happy with what you can get away with rather than trying to be a far reaching political organisation? I dont see the ICA telling us what the refugee policy should be or the AIA telling us whether we should send troops to Syria, they just stick to counting beans or drawing pretty pictures while only interfering in politics when they can achieve greater extortionate powers for their members.

If they have the resources to be doing all this, maybe doctors dont need such large subsidies? 

Edited January 3, 2017 by Tesla

[NewConvert]

21 hours ago, Tesla said:

TTIM: The AMA

People probably think my dislike of trade unions is due to some sort of elitism or similar, not at all, I dislike cartels in general. The trade unions just take it too far, resorting to criminality to achieve their objectives, interfering in politics far beyond their direct interests (to the extent that their political wing is the biggest political party in the country), etc.

But in case there was any doubt that my dislike of trade unions is nothing to do with the class of the underlying profession, the AMA has been doing a very good job of gaining my ire and showing themselves to be the white collar equivalent of the trade unions.

They're a pack of cunts if you ask me, so much so that the idea of dying due to not being able to afford medical care almost seems like a better option than seeing these cunts continue to be overpaid by the vary existence of highly subsidised medical care.

You'd think if you were pocketing giant tax payer subsidise you'd just keep your head low and keep counting the cash, knowing that status quo is never going to be seriously challenged, but nope. Not only did these ass holes undertake a fairly large political campaign at the last election, they now seem to feel the need to give their $0.02 on every political debate, I dont think even the trade unions go that far. At least when it was shit like a sugar tax, you could draw a loose connection to their area (doctors arent nutritionists, nor should they be), but seriously getting involved in the gun control debate?

I dont see whatever the Australian version of the NRA is getting involved in the debate about GP fees, why the fuck would anyone care what the AMA has to say about guns.

I think they've just had too much smoke blown up their ass from being the most overrated profession (GPs are nothing more than glorified medical middlemen really, and GPs would make up the largest group of membership in the AMA) that they now think they should decide everything.

Worst of all is at least when people look at trade unions they know they're a pack of low life criminal scum, when they look at the AMA they think 'herp derp doctor good know much things' which lets them get away with a lot more than they should.

Cunts need to stay in their fucking lane, plenty of other cartels out there just sticking to their cartel objectives relating to protectionism and extortion for their chosen profession, why not just do that and be happy with what you can get away with rather than trying to be a far reaching political organisation? I dont see the ICA telling us what the refugee policy should be or the AIA telling us whether we should send troops to Syria, they just stick to counting beans or drawing pretty pictures while only interfering in politics when they can achieve greater extortionate powers for their members.

If they have the resources to be doing all this, maybe doctors dont need such large subsidies? 

I have worked with two managers that have shot another person accidentally (non-criminal behaviour): one accidentally shot his mate whilst out hunting and the other accidentally discharged the rifle whilst helping his father. In both cases the rushed the wounded to the hospital for doctors to patch them up, they did not rush them to the Libertarian Party. And yes I have also worked with the organised criminal elements in both Victoria and WA but I do not know any of their deeds.

Also doctors are not pharmacists but they do have a lot to say about medication.

[thisphantomfortress]

7 hours ago, NewConvert said:

I have worked with two managers that have shot another person accidentally (non-criminal behaviour): one accidentally shot his mate whilst out hunting and the other accidentally discharged the rifle whilst helping his father. In both cases the rushed the wounded to the hospital for doctors to patch them up, they did not rush them to the Libertarian Party. And yes I have also worked with the organised criminal elements in both Victoria and WA but I do not know any of their deeds.

Also doctors are not pharmacists but they do have a lot to say about medication.

I work in the health insurance industry and the old man works in health administration, so my work and the work of my dad - which I hear a bit about - is heavily impacted by them. In my entirely subjective opinion the AMA, as tes put it, are a cartel who have overstepped their bounds.

[NewConvert]

1 hour ago, thisphantomfortress said:

I work in the health insurance industry and the old man works in health administration, so my work and the work of my dad - which I hear a bit about - is heavily impacted by them. In my entirely subjective opinion the AMA, as tes put it, are a cartel who have overstepped their bounds.

I agree that they are cartel, as well as lawyers, since they regulate the number of industry participants whereas most other industries the ability to enter the market is quite open (I am allowing some room for particular industries such as policing where you don't want people involved with organised crime to join). Where I disagree in this case is whether they have overstepped the boundary since they have to stitch people back together and that puts them as direct participants in gun related incidents as my example showed. How they behave in other matters is a totally different topic.

[thisphantomfortress]

4 minutes ago, NewConvert said:

I agree that they are cartel, as well as lawyers, since they regulate the number of industry participants whereas most other industries the ability to enter the market is quite open (I am allowing some room for particular industries such as policing where you don't want people involved with organised crime to join). Where I disagree in this case is whether they have overstepped the boundary since they have to stitch people back together and that puts them as direct participants in gun related incidents as my example showed. Ho w they behave in other matters is a totally different topic.

I like that you took a stab at lawyers when replying to me (there is a reason I don't have my practicing cert and entirely agree FWIW.) I will concede in this case I did focus on other matters rather than the matter at hand. I still think it's a stretch for them to be involved in the gun debate though as gun crime is relatively speaking fairly low here.

[jw1739]

IMO it's a pretty narrow-minded view to say that various groups in our society should be precluded from having a point of view, and publicly expressing that view, on matters that pertain to society as a whole. You want us to all be muzzled while only certain people or groups are "allowed" to have a voice, and on what basis are you going to determine who they are?

As far as I'm concerned everyone has the right to be heard on whatever issue they choose to make a comment. Whether we should bother to listen to them or consider what they have to say are entirely different matters. 

[bt50]

12 minutes ago, jw1739 said:

IMO it's a pretty narrow-minded view to say that various groups in our society should be precluded from having a point of view, and publicly expressing that view, on matters that pertain to society as a whole. You want us to all be muzzled while only certain people or groups are "allowed" to have a voice, and on what basis are you going to determine who they are?

As far as I'm concerned everyone has the right to be heard on whatever issue they choose to make a comment. Whether we should bother to listen to them or consider what they have to say are entirely different matters. 

Along the same vein and prob a TTDIM, but Milo Yiannopolous and his new book being likened to Mein Kampf by the regressive left. They want it banned.

Yep, a gay married to a Jew that’s against socialism being called a neo nazi. You couldnt make it up.

[thisphantomfortress]

6 hours ago, bt50 said:

Along the same vein and prob a TTDIM, but Milo Yiannopolous and his new book being likened to Mein Kampf by the regressive left. They want it banned.

Yep, a gay married to a Jew that’s against socialism being called a neo nazi. You couldnt make it up.

Minor correction, milo is a Jew, he only dates black guys though so probably strengthens your point.

[Tesla]

6 hours ago, jw1739 said:

IMO it's a pretty narrow-minded view to say that various groups in our society should be precluded from having a point of view, and publicly expressing that view, on matters that pertain to society as a whole. You want us to all be muzzled while only certain people or groups are "allowed" to have a voice, and on what basis are you going to determine who they are?

As far as I'm concerned everyone has the right to be heard on whatever issue they choose to make a comment. Whether we should bother to listen to them or consider what they have to say are entirely different matters. 

I agree with what your saying. 

But the purpose of the AMA, and more importantly, what it's members pay their fees for, isn't for them to be a wide ranging political body. 

The gun thing was just an example, I'm sure they'll be a better one soon with the way they're going, but I really don't see what benefit their members are getting from the AMA's stance. In fact, if you wanted to be really cynical, you could say by advocating for measures they think may have some sort of impact in terms of lowering gun violence, they're actually taking a stance that could decrease $$$ for their members, a direct contradiction of their core cartel objectives.

Even the election stuff, I'm sure plenty of their members vote LNP, and wouldn't appreciate such aggressive political manuvering. And while certainly a large portion of their members stand to lose out from the GP fee freeze, as I've said before it opens up the possibility of funds being redirected to other areas of medicine where their members could benefit. 

These are examples of how going beyond their core organisational objectives actually is a problem and I'm sure some of their members wouldn't be happy. 

Anyway, that's for their members to consider and act on, but either way it's a TTIM for me in that I have to hear them give their uninformed $0.02 on a wide range of issues and then see people extend them an unwarranted level of respect for their opinions because 'herp derp doctor good know much things' 

[NewConvert]

3 hours ago, Tesla said:

I agree with what your saying. 

But the purpose of the AMA, and more importantly, what it's members pay their fees for, isn't for them to be a wide ranging political body. 

The gun thing was just an example, I'm sure they'll be a better one soon with the way they're going, but I really don't see what benefit their members are getting from the AMA's stance. In fact, if you wanted to be really cynical, you could say by advocating for measures they think may have some sort of impact in terms of lowering gun violence, they're actually taking a stance that could decrease $$$ for their members, a direct contradiction of their core cartel objectives.

Even the election stuff, I'm sure plenty of their members vote LNP, and wouldn't appreciate such aggressive political manuvering. And while certainly a large portion of their members stand to lose out from the GP fee freeze, as I've said before it opens up the possibility of funds being redirected to other areas of medicine where their members could benefit. 

These are examples of how going beyond their core organisational objectives actually is a problem and I'm sure some of their members wouldn't be happy. 

Anyway, that's for their members to consider and act on, but either way it's a TTIM for me in that I have to hear them give their uninformed $0.02 on a wide range of issues and then see people extend them an unwarranted level of respect for their opinions because 'herp derp doctor good know much things' 

From the AMA website:

Advocacy

The AMA advocates on behalf of its members at the Federal, and State and Territory levels by: 

• working with governments to increase and maintain provision of world class medical care to all Australians
• tracking and reporting government performance on health policy, financing and services
• challenging governments on policy that potentially harms the interests of patients
• leading the health policy debate by developing and promoting alternative policies to those government policies 
• providing informed, expert medical commentary on health issues
• responding to issues in the health debate through provision of a wide range of expert resources 
• commissioning and conducting research on health issues 

So, yes being political is part of their mission statement.

But that point aside you will find that many professional associations do political advocay although they tend to get ignored by the media.

[Tesla]

You'll find those all specifically mention health policy and not gun policy or whatever other issue they'll give their $0.02 for tomorrow. 

Anyway, onto another one.

TTIM: Indonesia always having a sook about something. Usually something really petty as well. But when Australia has an issue with something they do they are just dickheads in response. Why do we allow this shit? Exactly like the whole China situation that is finally being solved by Trump. Where is Australia's Donald Trump to put an end to this Indonesian bullshit? 

[thisphantomfortress]

TTIM; finding out my luggage is halfway around the world, cheers emirates! 

Luckily I know airlines have a propensity to lose shit so it's only clothes but still fucking annoying.

[jw1739]

12 hours ago, Tesla said:

You'll find those all specifically mention health policy and not gun policy or whatever other issue they'll give their $0.02 for tomorrow. 

Anyway, onto another one.

TTIM: Indonesia always having a sook about something. Usually something really petty as well. But when Australia has an issue with something they do they are just dickheads in response. Why do we allow this shit? Exactly like the whole China situation that is finally being solved by Trump. Where is Australia's Donald Trump to put an end to this Indonesian bullshit? 

The AMA is of the view that "possession of firearms in the community represents a public health issue." It therefore believes it is entitled to enter firearms debates. https://ama.com.au/position-statement/firearms-2017

It has actually had a position on firearms since 1996. https://ama.com.au/sites/default/files/documents/healths_gd_ps_firearms.pdf

[cadete]

15 hours ago, Tesla said:

You'll find those all specifically mention health policy and not gun policy or whatever other issue they'll give their $0.02 for tomorrow. 

Anyway, onto another one.

TTIM: Indonesia always having a sook about something. Usually something really petty as well. But when Australia has an issue with something they do they are just dickheads in response. Why do we allow this shit? Exactly like the whole China situation that is finally being solved by Trump. Where is Australia's Donald Trump to put an end to this Indonesian bullshit? 

His name is Scott Cosgrove, he stood up to the cunts in East Timor when they told the Australian Army to fuck off from Indonesian Territory and He told them that would be staying as long as they did and the Indonesians ran scared and East Timor won Independence.

And thats why they hate us... and him being our Head of State irks the fuck out of that country and its Criminal Politicians.

Edited January 7, 2017 by cadete

[Jimmy]

TTIM: Time wasters.

I think it was mentioned when I came on here asking for car advice, but I'm selling a car atm for the first time ever and holy fuck. People just ask questions and then disappear after I respond. Some bloke offered me 20% under my asking price and I said sure and I haven't heard a word from him since. Why the fuck would you bother making an offer? Wasting your time as well as mine.

[Jovan]

24 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

TTIM: Time wasters.

I think it was mentioned when I came on here asking for car advice, but I'm selling a car atm for the first time ever and holy fuck. People just ask questions and then disappear after I respond. Some bloke offered me 20% under my asking price and I said sure and I haven't heard a word from him since. Why the fuck would you bother making an offer? Wasting your time as well as mine.

Lowballing timewasters scourge of the earth. Makes doing an insurance  job a palatable option.

Did he sound like he was from the subcontinent ?

[jw1739]

TTIM: Australian companies using call centres on the sub-continent. My poor wife today trying to get something done via the ANZ call centre today - after 20 minutes had to give up with no resolution of the issue in sight.

[Embee]

23 minutes ago, jw1739 said:

TTIM: Australian companies using call centres on the sub-continent. My poor wife today trying to get something done via the ANZ call centre today - after 20 minutes had to give up with no resolution of the issue in sight.

Most of Australian off-shoring is to the Philippines nowadays (with Malaysia likely the boom destination soon), funnily enough if you spoke to a somebody from the sub-continent they were likely over here.

Indian call-centres aren't competitive with those Asian countries price-wise.

[Tesla]

1 hour ago, Embee said:

Most of Australian off-shoring is to the Philippines nowadays (with Malaysia likely the boom destination soon), funnily enough if you spoke to a somebody from the sub-continent they were likely over here.

Indian call-centres aren't competitive with those Asian countries price-wise.

Still seems to be a decent amount of subcontinent call centres but I dare say it might not be India but one of the others. You can tell when it's overseas tbh.

Strange one is you get a bit of South Africa sometimes. On the plus side at least you understand each other, however I think I'd rather neck myself than listen to a South African accent. 

 

1 hour ago, jw1739 said:

TTIM: Australian companies using call centres on the sub-continent. My poor wife today trying to get something done via the ANZ call centre today - after 20 minutes had to give up with no resolution of the issue in sight.

If that actually was a sub-continent call centre then ANZ would be the only one of the major banks that do that. CBA, Westpac, and NAB are all local call centres.

I'd actually be a bit surprised ANZ are outsourcing it, a call centre at a bank is pretty much the top of the call centre pyramid. It's far more than your usual customer service role and those employed in it have to undergo background checks beyond that of most jobs, which isn't going to be possible with someone overseas. 

Edited January 9, 2017 by Tesla

[kingofhearts]

TTIM: Places that charge a surcharge on their food on a public holiday

It's honestly such bullshit when so many places don't charge a surcharge and seem to run quite fine. I understand they have to pay their employees more on the day, but all the people they would lose by putting a surcharge on their food would surely not generate as much money as just keeping their food at the same prices on the day. (Especially when you're a joint like the pancake parlour in the middle of highpoint shopping centre where their is always 100 000 people there, probability more on a public holiday)

[Tesla]

34 minutes ago, kingofhearts said:

TTIM: Places that charge a surcharge on their food on a public holiday

It's honestly such bullshit when so many places don't charge a surcharge and seem to run quite fine. I understand they have to pay their employees more on the day, but all the people they would lose by putting a surcharge on their food would surely not generate as much money as just keeping their food at the same prices on the day. (Especially when you're a joint like the pancake parlour in the middle of highpoint shopping centre where their is always 100 000 people there, probability more on a public holiday)

I actually stopped going to one of the Hungry Jacks near me because of this like a year ago. Roll up to drive through, order, go to pay "oh yeah there is a public holiday surcharge" like they just made it up on the spot, whatever I was hungry so didn't care but I never went there again cause I've never had that happen anywhere and (no racist) but it was just such a typical Indian move. I think there were a couple other classic Indian moves made by those guys in the past that affected my decision as well. It's not like there aren't another 5 HJs near me so fuck em (probably all owned by Indians as well but at least the others aren't cunts).

But anyway, all you can do is vote with your feet. Not their fault retarded penalty rates exist. They have to chose to either carry on as usual, charge more, or close for the day. Charging more for the day probably works out best for a lot of businesses but some might be reluctant to do it out of a loss of goodwill (as both our posts highlight is definitely something that should be considered). 

Edited January 9, 2017 by Tesla

[Tesla]

TTIM : Pancake Parlour. Abysmal. How is this shit so popular and so overpriced? Even more amazing is how it survives at Highpoint of all places, you'd have to be Anglo as fuck to eat at Pancake Parlour.

[n i k o]

5 minutes ago, Tesla said:

TTIM : Pancake Parlour. Abysmal. How is this shit so popular and so overpriced? Even more amazing is how it survives at Highpoint of all places, you'd have to be Anglo as fuck to eat at Pancake Parlour.

The savoury food or pancakes themselves?

Edited January 9, 2017 by n i k o

[kingofhearts]

22 minutes ago, Tesla said:

TTIM : Pancake Parlour. Abysmal. How is this shit so popular and so overpriced? Even more amazing is how it survives at Highpoint of all places, you'd have to be Anglo as fuck to eat at Pancake Parlour.

Agree with this so much. My mate was eating at the highpoint one once and found a cockroached cooked into his pancake once. Was funny as fuck and turned me off ever eating there. Can someone tell me please why the place is open 24 hours? Is their a big demand to drive to pancake parlour at 4am and pay 30 bucks extra for pancakes you could just make at home for so much cheaper

Unfortunately the missus loves the place, i only try and order a milkshake from there but their like 9 bucks for fuck all ffs.

29 minutes ago, Tesla said:

I actually stopped going to one of the Hungry Jacks near me because of this like a year ago. Roll up to drive through, order, go to pay "oh yeah there is a public holiday surcharge" like they just made it up on the spot, whatever I was hungry so didn't care but I never went there again cause I've never had that happen anywhere and (no racist) but it was just such a typical Indian move. I think there were a couple other classic Indian moves made by those guys in the past that affected my decision as well. It's not like there aren't another 5 HJs near me so fuck em (probably all owned by Indians as well but at least the others aren't cunts).

But anyway, all you can do is vote with your feet. Not their fault retarded penalty rates exist. They have to chose to either carry on as usual, charge more, or close for the day. Charging more for the day probably works out best for a lot of businesses but some might be reluctant to do it out of a loss of goodwill (as both our posts highlight is definitely something that should be considered). 

Agree also its a tough situation in regards to what to charge on a public holiday.I remember i was at the sporting globe once as well and they were pulling the same bullshit, and i would say easily 10-15 people turned around and walked out due to being told about the surcharge. I just feel as if the rates were kept the same they would still profit or get close to at least on the day. I could understand if a small family owned restaurant were doing this but places like the pancake parlour and the globe in moonee ponds are located in areas where they would get a fair amount of traffic regardless of the day, so i feel as if they have less of an excuse to do so. 

Edited January 9, 2017 by kingofhearts
Because i can't spell for shit.

[Shahanga]

I get what you guys are saying but on the other hand ever tried to get a tradie on a public holiday? Those penalty rates would make it bloody expensive to open.

[jw1739]

I hear you too, but my experiences in other part of the world are that, penalty rates or no penalty rates, holidays and festivals are the very times when cafes and restaurants and other tourist places are open and doing a roaring trade, but here it seems most things shut down.

[cadete]

16 hours ago, Tesla said:

I actually stopped going to one of the Hungry Jacks near me because of this like a year ago. Roll up to drive through, order, go to pay "oh yeah there is a public holiday surcharge" like they just made it up on the spot, whatever I was hungry so didn't care but I never went there again cause I've never had that happen anywhere and (no racist) but it was just such a typical Indian move. I think there were a couple other classic Indian moves made by those guys in the past that affected my decision as well. It's not like there aren't another 5 HJs near me so fuck em (probably all owned by Indians as well but at least the others aren't cunts).

But anyway, all you can do is vote with your feet. Not their fault retarded penalty rates exist. They have to chose to either carry on as usual, charge more, or close for the day. Charging more for the day probably works out best for a lot of businesses but some might be reluctant to do it out of a loss of goodwill (as both our posts highlight is definitely something that should be considered). 

You should contact that local Hume Council Member you know... I reckon paying a buck extra for Fast Food would be an issue he would be prepared to fight against for life.

16 hours ago, Tesla said:

TTIM : Pancake Parlour. Abysmal. How is this shit so popular and so overpriced? Even more amazing is how it survives at Highpoint of all places, you'd have to be Anglo as fuck to eat at Pancake Parlour.

Not Anglo - Outer Suburban Anglo... there is a difference as the Inner Suburbs have tons of Crepe Places which are half the price as PP and twice as good. (I know this as Crepes are close to my favourite food and something I eat a lot of when eating out.)

 

[bt50]

TTIM : People that use the word correct to indicate they agree.

Rather than yes or i agree they say 'correct' as if the the statement wasnt valid to begin with until they approved it. A smug yet subtle way of saying that i know better than you and my opinion is superior.

 

Credit goes to Cleaver Greene for the articulation.

[Tesla]

1 hour ago, bt50 said:

TTIM : People that use the word correct to indicate they agree.

Rather than yes or i agree they say 'correct' as if the the statement wasnt valid to begin with until they approved it. A smug yet subtle way of saying that i know better than you and my opinion is superior.

 

Credit goes to Cleaver Greene for the articulation.

Correct.

[jw1739]

1 hour ago, Tesla said:

Correct.

I couldn't agree more. Absolutely correct.

[haz]

2 hours ago, Tesla said:

Correct.

-ve

[jw1739]

TTIM: The infiltration of Americanisms into our language. The latest to irk me is "Groundhog Day."

[haz]

2 hours ago, jw1739 said:

TTIM: The infiltration of Americanisms into our language. The latest to irk me is "Groundhog Day."

TTIM: 21st Birthday parties, makes no sense in Australia. Just provides another reason to get drunk and root. 

Edited January 15, 2017 by haz