rass Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 8 minutes ago, KSK_47 said: Isn't that the whole point of var though? To have the benefit of slow mo replays? Sliding in studs up like that is always a red. Not sure why people feel so hard done by. It is the point of VAR, but that's what I'm getting at yeah... VAR gave the ref the opportunity to review the play and his initial decision. He went from nothing to red card... both wrong... In the end the ref made the decision on the pen and the red, it wasn't VAR. If you actually think watching that play in slow motion that it was red, then sorry, you're wrong too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 I think the biggest indicator that it wasn't a red card was when it happened, one Perth player put their hand up for a corner. Young italiano got up pretty quick, gave his leg a quick rub and off he went. The Perth players saw nothing in it at the time and still don't from the few quotes I've seen from Nichols, Lowe and mills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 17 minutes ago, KSK_47 said: Isn't that the whole point of var though? To have the benefit of slow mo replays? Sliding in studs up like that is always a red. Not sure why people feel so hard done by. Yes, it is. But not to re-referee the whole bloody match. The way it's going we'll have a break in play every two minutes while the VAR reviews that two minutes, various decisions are made or reversed, and then we'll play for another two minutes etc. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 What happened in Active area when that arab security came in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) Well I always thought that studs up tackles that could potentially end in serious injury were reds. But I seems I am wrong. I thought we sound like a bunch of whining sore losers, but I guess I was wrong about that too Edited November 24, 2017 by KSK_47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tony999 said: What happened in Active area when that arab security came in? After the cheezels chant and all the cheezels were gone, old mate threw the box. Security came in to tell him off then some bloke a few seats infront threw a beer towards the security guard. Massive overrection from security........it was an empty cheezels box ffs!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Crowd was 6.3k lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 31 minutes ago, KSK_47 said: Well I always thought that studs up tackles that could potentially end in serious injury were reds. But I seems I am wrong. Correct... but do you actually believe that was a tackle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 1 hour ago, KSK_47 said: Well I always thought that studs up tackles that could potentially end in serious injury were reds. But I seems I am wrong. I thought we sound like a bunch of whining sore losers, but I guess I was wrong about that too When I saw the tackle live I actually thought he got the ball and said to Tesla that it was a typical Malik challenge that you are worried is going to be a straight red, but he sometimes pulls off. On review I thought it was a penalty and when I saw it the second time (at the game) I accept that it was a red. The incident that shits me was Bart being dragged to the ground in the box and not getting the penalty despite the VAR review. Absolute madness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, malloy said: The incident that shits me was Bart being dragged to the ground in the box and not getting the penalty despite the VAR review. Absolute madness. He was coming back from an offside position when he got dragged. That's why it was given the all clear. Else it was a definite pen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 13 minutes ago, rass said: He was coming back from an offside position when he got dragged. That's why it was given the all clear. Else it was a definite pen. I wish I had known that last night. I was raging for the rest of the match. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnno cpfc Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Where in the world did they get that ref from? total rank amateur whether it was a red or not is immaterial the whole ref display was abysmal . The problem being that today's refs think that the game is all about them, back in the distant past refs were almost invisible and let games flow, last nights display was RUBBISH. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 48 minutes ago, rass said: He was coming back from an offside position when he got dragged. That's why it was given the all clear. Else it was a definite pen. I get that, but does that mean that committing a foul on a player that is offside is ok? How about the scenario that a player is elbowed in the face or something to that effect, surely that's an infringement of some sort? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 40 minutes ago, malloy said: I wish I had known that last night. I was raging for the rest of the match. I still am even though i know it was the correct call. 😢 2 minutes ago, playmaker said: I get that, but does that mean that committing a foul on a player that is offside is ok? How about the scenario that a player is elbowed in the face or something to that effect, surely that's an infringement of some sort? I think the original foul still stands and the player who then commits a following infringement would be sanctioned with a card or a caution. It's not like AFL where a free can be reversed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 35 minutes ago, johnno cpfc said: Where in the world did they get that ref from? total rank amateur whether it was a red or not is immaterial the whole ref display was abysmal . The problem being that today's refs think that the game is all about them, back in the distant past refs were almost invisible and let games flow, last nights display was RUBBISH. Totally agree. My biggest issue is that he did nothing about the continual obvious tactics to stop our momentum. Not even a caution. He completely fell for Perth's tactics and then overreacted in the one instance where he had a chance to get some control. The last few minutes of that first half ended up in a farce and would be deeply embarrassing for Australian football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) Referees in Australia are trash. Given so many international leagues are finishing their seasons we should be getting marquee ref's. Every season we are having the same discussions about ref's and it is a blight on our game. Edited November 25, 2017 by playmaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 2 hours ago, rass said: Correct... but do you actually believe that was a tackle? I don't. I thought both players were trying to kick the ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, jw1739 said: I don't. I thought both players were trying to kick the ball. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 32 minutes ago, playmaker said: I get that, but does that mean that committing a foul on a player that is offside is ok? How about the scenario that a player is elbowed in the face or something to that effect, surely that's an infringement of some sort? It is still an offence, but the offside offence should be paid first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 25 minutes ago, rass said: Totally agree. My biggest issue is that he did nothing about the continual obvious tactics to stop our momentum. Not even a caution. He completely fell for Perth's tactics and then overreacted in the one instance where he had a chance to get some control. The last few minutes of that first half ended up in a farce and would be deeply embarrassing for Australian football. One compliment I would pay our boys - everyone of them, despite the loss - is that they kept control of themselves despite everything falling around their ears. I did feel proud of them for that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, jw1739 said: One compliment I would pay our boys - everyone of them, despite the loss - is that they kept control of themselves despite everything falling around their ears. I did feel proud of them for that. Yeah, a big tick to Jakobsen for his leadership and influence on the squad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 VAR is a pain in the arse, but that’s a clear as day red card. I’m not going to criticise Joyce as I was glad To see him think outside the square & change things/formation up. Clearly didn’t work as it Nullified your most effective attacking player & weakened our backline, but id rather see that then a manager sit on his hands & Wait for our luck to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellenic Hero Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) Atmosphere was funeral-like last night as well Edited November 25, 2017 by Hellenic Hero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Cain Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 4 hours ago, jw1739 said: Yes, it is. But not to re-referee the whole bloody match. The way it's going we'll have a break in play every two minutes while the VAR reviews that two minutes, various decisions are made or reversed, and then we'll play for another two minutes etc. etc. What do you mean "the way it's going"? Was there more than one full review last night which took time? I only saw one and it resulted in an important correction to an incident the ref clearly missed. The slippery slope argument is a pretty lazy one. VAR can be used well and it can be used poorly. I don't see a major problem with how it was used last night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Herman Cain said: What do you mean "the way it's going"? Was there more than one full review last night which took time? I only saw one and it resulted in an important correction to an incident the ref clearly missed. The slippery slope argument is a pretty lazy one. VAR can be used well and it can be used poorly. I don't see a major problem with how it was used last night. I have said right from the start that IMO the video replay should be used for goal-line decisions only, so I think I'm being consistent in my opinions of VAR. I think that the other thing I'd like cleared up is who asks for the review. IMO it should be the field referee. What happened last night is that the review was suggested by the official looking at the video, and was not called for by the field referee. I don't like that. It's a matter of opinion, but that's what most discussion is on here and what forums are for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Le Cube Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 15 hours ago, jw1739 said: For me the overwhelming defect in the way we play is that it's all done at a snail's pace - and getting slower with every match. At times this evening it looked like Over-50's Walking Football. So many backwards and sideways passes, so many misplaced passes, players requiring 4-5 touches of the ball before passing, and so it goes on and on. Do players really have to look up ten times before they work out where they're going to pass the ball? When a City player has the ball they don't know where any of their team mates are positioned or where they are moving to because have no system for when we have the ball. The player looks up, doesn't see any obvious options in front of them, waits for someone to move for them but no one does and then goes sideways or backwards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF33 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 6 hours ago, belaguttman said: No, Mauk scored one but that is the only one. 6 goals conceded in 2 games and one goal from open play in 5 games Ah, yes. Mercifully I missed that one, after I'd planned to catch the replay but stumbled on the final result before I had a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityWildcat Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 On the up side, I actually agree with Joyce's post-match analysis that we played really well for most of the second half even with a man down. Our possession, passing and running for spaces was top-notch and we were camped in their half for a lot of it. Nowhere near deadly with a final(ish) ball, sadly. The third goal just knocked the stuffing out of us. Very poor crowd. It would appear a lot of our members are fickle AS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Le Cube Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 6 hours ago, belaguttman said: No, Mauk scored one but that is the only one. 6 goals conceded in 2 games and one goal from open play in 5 games Isn't it 1 goal scored from open play in 6 games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afif Adam Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 We want Bouzanis ole ole ole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 3 hours ago, Jacques Le Cube said: Isn't it 1 goal scored from open play in 6 games? Yes, that too! That makes it even worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 3 hours ago, CityWildcat said: On the up side, I actually agree with Joyce's post-match analysis that we played really well for most of the second half even with a man down. Our possession, passing and running for spaces was top-notch and we were camped in their half for a lot of it. Nowhere near deadly with a final(ish) ball, sadly. The third goal just knocked the stuffing out of us. Very poor crowd. It would appear a lot of our members are fickle AS It did look like that but Perth's plan was to delay us in our already slow attacking transition, try and force a turnover but more importantly, it was to control space, congest the central areas and to force us centrally if possible. Whilst we had lot of possession our ball movement was slow and inaccurate, our movement off the ball in the front third was poor and consequently, we didn't score. I'm not sure of our season ticket holders are 'fickle as', we have been worn down by the same patterns in the mens team, season after season: flatter to deceive and then the inevitable crash into sustained mediocrity, a small rally before the finals and then another slide into mediocrity and yet another fourth-place finish. I bought a 5 game season ticket and I'm already regretting it, I could have just stayed at home to watch 2 losses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 3 hours ago, jw1739 said: I have said right from the start that IMO the video replay should be used for goal-line decisions only, so I think I'm being consistent in my opinions of VAR. I think that the other thing I'd like cleared up is who asks for the review. IMO it should be the field referee. What happened last night is that the review was suggested by the official looking at the video, and was not called for by the field referee. I don't like that. It's a matter of opinion, but that's what most discussion is on here and what forums are for. It works well in field hockey where each team has a limited number of VAR requests, they are requested by the team captain but when they are gone, they are gone. The process is quick with minimal delay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MXG Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Kenny summarized pretty much well why they won: being more active and fearless. Watching Brattan stopping the game all the time, Fitzy and Kamau taking on extra player instead of giving a pass or hogging the ball a-la Brattan, meaningless short passes on the opposition side from all the team. Muscat appearance was quite reasonable. He definitively came with a clear instruction - simplify the game a cross everything. But being Muscat he did it for the first 5-10 min max only. Most of the team should start on the bench or at the stands next game. I hope that there are some competition for Kamau and Fitzy - those guys were absolute disgrace in the attack. Mauk should be benched along with Brattan. Carrusca is sorely missed here. But I would also give Garneau a chance if he is still in the club at all. Cahill did not give anything when appeared. Yes, he is a threat just being on the pitch, but otherwise he was quite disappointing. Preferred Arzani or Crowley there any time. I hope Wazza will start to screw some bolts in the team. The complacency is obvious. After all there is an obvious reason why all of those players are playing in AU and not EU - they are simply not good enough. So, stop trying to create Arsenal or Barsa, simplify the game to the bone and start playing good old English hoof-ball direct football. Not as primitive as Victory do but something like Sydney. And having better players will give us the edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffplz Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 I want to see the yoof play tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, MXG said: Kenny summarized pretty much well why they won: being more active and fearless. Watching Brattan stopping the game all the time, Fitzy and Kamau taking on extra player instead of giving a pass or hogging the ball a-la Brattan, meaningless short passes on the opposition side from all the team. Muscat appearance was quite reasonable. He definitively came with a clear instruction - simplify the game a cross everything. But being Muscat he did it for the first 5-10 min max only. Most of the team should start on the bench or at the stands next game. I hope that there are some competition for Kamau and Fitzy - those guys were absolute disgrace in the attack. Mauk should be benched along with Brattan. Carrusca is sorely missed here. But I would also give Garneau a chance if he is still in the club at all. Cahill did not give anything when appeared. Yes, he is a threat just being on the pitch, but otherwise he was quite disappointing. Preferred Arzani or Crowley there any time. I hope Wazza will start to screw some bolts in the team. The complacency is obvious. After all there is an obvious reason why all of those players are playing in AU and not EU - they are simply not good enough. So, stop trying to create Arsenal or Barsa, simplify the game to the bone and start playing good old English hoof-ball direct football. Not as primitive as Victory do but something like Sydney. And having better players will give us the edge. Mate you have got no hope of Wazza turning this around. This is all his doing, its taken a grand total of 4 rounds for this new 'culture' to fall apart. Edited November 25, 2017 by Dylan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Dylan said: Mate you have got no hope of Wazza turning this around. This is all his doing, its taken a grand total of 4 rounds for this new 'culture' to fall apart. Weren't you going to give him until Christmas? I must say that the outlook is beginning to look gloomy, but we'll know for sure by Christmas. I'm still not prepared to blame our Manager for everything, because IMO our recruitment is well below par. I don't see why we continue to sign rejects from other A-League clubs (mainly Adelaide and Phoenix), and I don't understand the logic behind Budski. So IMO plenty sits on Petrillo's shoulders. We're consistently doing well in youth development, and I agree with those who'd rather see our younger players given a good chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Weren't you going to give him until Christmas? I must say that the outlook is beginning to look gloomy, but we'll know for sure by Christmas. I'm still not prepared to blame our Manager for everything, because IMO our recruitment is well below par. I don't see why we continue to sign rejects from other A-League clubs (mainly Adelaide and Phoenix), and I don't understand the logic behind Budski. So IMO plenty sits on Petrillo's shoulders. We're consistently doing well in youth development, and I agree with those who'd rather see our younger players given a good chance. Recruiting? Come on. Recruiting is not the issue. Besides, Joyce would sign off on all players, so to try to move blame to Pertillo, and further to that, that Joyce doesnt have the final say on who is signed would be far from the truth. But it is ironic that we have some youth coach (and previously failed senior coach) whom doesnt use our youth players. Who else did that? Aloisi I always thought that this style of only having a defence, and playing in some drab boring way was always going to fall apart. Cant win with only a third of a functioning team Edited November 25, 2017 by Dylan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, Dylan said: Recruiting? Come on. Recruiting is not the issue. Besides, Joyce would sign off on all players, so to try to move blame to Pertillo, and further to that, that Joyce doesnt have the final say on who is signed would be far from the truth. But it is ironic that we have some youth coach (and previously failed senior coach) whom doesnt use our youth players. Who else did that? Aloisi I always thought that this style of only having a defence, and playing in some drab boring way was always going to fall apart. Cant win with only a third of a functioning team No, that's not true. He inherited legacy players and could not possibly have signed off on them. And I think we're asking for trouble when we sign rejects from other A-league clubs. But look, in many ways I agree with you. We've stalled, while other teams continue to gain momentum - Sydney now six points clear of us, Central Coast and Perth within striking distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: Weren't you going to give him until Christmas? I must say that the outlook is beginning to look gloomy, but we'll know for sure by Christmas. I'm still not prepared to blame our Manager for everything, because IMO our recruitment is well below par. I don't see why we continue to sign rejects from other A-League clubs (mainly Adelaide and Phoenix), and I don't understand the logic behind Budski. So IMO plenty sits on Petrillo's shoulders. We're consistently doing well in youth development, and I agree with those who'd rather see our younger players given a good chance. I think that our recruitment is well and truly good enough, apart from Marcin who has been underwhelming. McCormack has been reasonable in that he's scored important goals but our poor efficiency in general in front of goal is a coaching issue. When we were playing counter-attacks from behind our defensive wall we were playing ugly football but getting away with it because 1 or 2 goals was enough. Now that Wazza is trying to play more proactive football we have lost our defensive solidity but gained no more attacking efficiency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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