malloy Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 So markn what you're saying is that you'd rather have a bigger crowd turn up every week as opposed to winning games!? In other words, you put 'atmosphere' ahead of 'success'! Mate, we've felt that disappointing/angry feeling far too many times for far too long, I couldn't care less if we played our games out of LaTrobe training grounds in front of 1,500 fans if it meant I got to see my team win and leave the ground actually happy! Which did you prefer: leaving AAMI Park after coming from behind to beat WSW in front of a lowly 7,500 fans or leaving Etihad Stadium last week after a miserable 3-0 loss in front of a massive 40,000? I know which one I'd choose I wouldn't even call it atmosphere. An extra 4,000 who turn upto watch Vill etc dont make atmosphere. It is the ones who turn up to support the club who make atmosphere, and usually a hell of a lot more when the team is winning. So in conclusion Markn is a spud. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 But surely it's not A, or B, or C, or D, etc? IMO these things are not mutually exclusive. But really, does it matter at this stage? What we do know is that whatever models we have used and are using to sign and re-sign players, and the way we train and ultimately perform on the park are not working to deliver either good results or a large following. So as far as I am concerned we need some changes in the club. Simply repeating the same things over and over again won't produce different outcomes. I don't know what the hell we are waiting for. That's insane! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markn Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 So in conclusion Markn is a spud. I'm a spud based on what???? So markn what you're saying is that you'd rather have a bigger crowd turn up every week as opposed to winning games!? In other words, you put 'atmosphere' ahead of 'success'! Mate, we've felt that disappointing/angry feeling far too many times for far too long, I couldn't care less if we played our games out of LaTrobe training grounds in front of 1,500 fans if it meant I got to see my team win and leave the ground actually happy! Which did you prefer: leaving AAMI Park after coming from behind to beat WSW in front of a lowly 7,500 fans or leaving Etihad Stadium last week after a miserable 3-0 loss in front of a massive 40,000? I know which one I'd choose The fact is we are playing crap and our attendances are poor. If we follow the advice of Red or Dead - playing in front of 1,500 people will send us broke. We will also fail to gain significant media coverage. We wont even be able to pay the players. Also Red or Dead believes i want to play in front of 40,000 people at Etihad and loose 3-0????????????? Edihad was a home game for Victory, and i would be fathomed to believe city supporters comprised any more than 1/4 or total supporters. (10,000 people - no more than our home games) Re: WSW Attendance - Why did we only attract 7,500 people??????? Simple, because we are not giving supporters a reason to return. Build it and they will come. Build a team people want to see and supporters will follow. Win and we will grow. I have never seen a loosing team increase support base and membership. A strong marque attracts people / media / sponsors to the club - A winning performance makes them stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomby Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Fuck you, Markn. P.S. Bon Jovi fucking sucks. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 So in conclusion Markn is a spud. I'm a spud based on what???? So markn what you're saying is that you'd rather have a bigger crowd turn up every week as opposed to winning games!? In other words, you put 'atmosphere' ahead of 'success'! Mate, we've felt that disappointing/angry feeling far too many times for far too long, I couldn't care less if we played our games out of LaTrobe training grounds in front of 1,500 fans if it meant I got to see my team win and leave the ground actually happy! Which did you prefer: leaving AAMI Park after coming from behind to beat WSW in front of a lowly 7,500 fans or leaving Etihad Stadium last week after a miserable 3-0 loss in front of a massive 40,000? I know which one I'd choose The fact is we are playing crap and our attendances are poor. If we follow the advice of Red or Dead - playing in front of 1,500 people will send us broke. We will also fail to gain significant media coverage. We wont even be able to pay the players. Also Red or Dead believes i want to play in front of 40,000 people at Etihad and loose 3-0????????????? Edihad was a home game for Victory, and i would be fathomed to believe city supporters comprised any more than 1/4 or total supporters. (10,000 people - no more than our home games) Re: WSW Attendance - Why did we only attract 7,500 people??????? Simple, because we are not giving supporters a reason to return. Build it and they will come. Build a team people want to see and supporters will follow. Win and we will grow. I have never seen a loosing team increase support base and membership. A strong marque attracts people / media / sponsors to the club - A winning performance makes them stay. I was actually asking you a question of what you'd prefer...a bigger crowd but lose or a smaller crowd but smash the opposition? I'd rather see us win no matter what the crowd number is! By "strong marque" I think you mean a "big name marquee" will attract people and you are probably right - sure it will get some Eurosnobs and football illiterates come to some matches, but if this "Big Name" marquee is past it and doesn't add much on-field value or helps us win games the extra 'supporters' - who came to see a big name first, and support City second - won't come back. If however we had a strong marquee a la Broich or Carrusca who with their own individual brilliance can win us games, then that's when these extra supporters will come to support City! Anyway, until we replace our coach, we'll continue to suck no matter who our marquees are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 JUST FUCKING WIN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Heartspur Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 The fact is we are playing crap and our attendances are poor. If we follow the advice of Red or Dead - playing in front of 1,500 people will send us broke. We will also fail to gain significant media coverage. We wont even be able to pay the players. Also Red or Dead believes i want to play in front of 40,000 people at Etihad and loose 3-0????????????? Edihad was a home game for Victory, and i would be fathomed to believe city supporters comprised any more than 1/4 or total supporters. (10,000 people - no more than our home games) Re: WSW Attendance - Why did we only attract 7,500 people??????? Simple, because we are not giving supporters a reason to return. Build it and they will come. Build a team people want to see and supporters will follow. Win and we will grow. I have never seen a loosing team increase support base and membership. A strong marque attracts people / media / sponsors to the club - A winning performance makes them stay. I don't think CGF are going broke any time soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markn Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 It was clear on last weeks performance that Koren is not a marque player. His performances to date clearly don't attract fringe supporters to become members. Nor does he appear to be the winning link to attract people to our games. Thus far - he is a bust as a marketing and playing recruitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) Meanwhile: - - 11k members is the most this club has ever had. - The recruiting has been great for the coming years. - If we were going to get players for the current year, we will be left with a hole that the tards are going to have next year. ie: WSW after losing their marquee's. - The direction is clear to those that understand the concept of the one team, one club - as opposed to a one team, one player concept that Sydney FC was with Del Piero. - The supporters are hot and cold pending the results rather than taking their own advice of supporting through thick and thin. I don't see a problem with how the club is travelling. More than likely we will make the finals in the first year of the CFG revolution. With all things considered (including the carrying of players/staff that won't be with the club next season), i'd say that we are definitely on the right track. Edited February 15, 2015 by Deviant 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Meanwhile: - - 11k members is the most this club has ever had. - The recruiting has been great for the coming years. - If we were going to get players for the current year, we will be left with a hole that the tards are going to have next year. ie: WSW after losing their marquee's. - The direction is clear to those that understand the concept of the one team, one club - as opposed to a one team, one player concept that Sydney FC was with Del Piero. - The supporters are hot and cold pending the results rather than taking their own advice of supporting through thick and thin. I don't see a problem with how the club is travelling. More than likely we will make the finals in the first year of the CFG revolution. With all things considered (including the carrying of players/staff that won't be with the club next season), i'd say that we are definitely on the right track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Meanwhile: - - 11k members is the most this club has ever had. - The recruiting has been great for the coming years. - If we were going to get players for the current year, we will be left with a hole that the tards are going to have next year. ie: WSW after losing their marquee's. - The direction is clear to those that understand the concept of the one team, one club - as opposed to a one team, one player concept that Sydney FC was with Del Piero. - The supporters are hot and cold pending the results rather than taking their own advice of supporting through thick and thin. I don't see a problem with how the club is travelling. More than likely we will make the finals in the first year of the CFG revolution. With all things considered (including the carrying of players/staff that won't be with the club next season), i'd say that we are definitely on the right track. Yeah but what fun is there in looking at things with a positive outlook 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 lol you're right niko... fold the club! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 lol you're right niko... fold the club! No Beckham/Villa/Lampard/Gerrard/Cahill, no Melbourne City! Why should I attend games if there's no big name marquee to watch? Oh that's right, because I BLOODY LOVE FOOTBALL AND I BLOODY LOVE THIS CLUB!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 lol you're right niko... fold the club! No Beckham/Villa/Lampard/Gerrard/Cahill, no Melbourne City! Why should I attend games if there's no big name marquee to watch? Oh that's right, because I BLOODY LOVE FOOTBALL AND I BLOODY LOVE THIS CLUB!! Name change coming up Blue or Dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 lol you're right niko... fold the club! No Beckham/Villa/Lampard/Gerrard/Cahill, no Melbourne City! Why should I attend games if there's no big name marquee to watch? Oh that's right, because I BLOODY LOVE FOOTBALL AND I BLOODY LOVE THIS CLUB!! Name change coming upBlue or Dead Not even funny I BLOODY LOVE THE HEART!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 When did the club start selling 3 game memberships Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 lol you're right niko... fold the club! No Beckham/Villa/Lampard/Gerrard/Cahill, no Melbourne City! Why should I attend games if there's no big name marquee to watch? Oh that's right, because I BLOODY LOVE FOOTBALL AND I BLOODY LOVE THIS CLUB!! Name change coming upBlue or Dead Not even funny I BLOODY LOVE THE HEART!!! I was just about to "like" this post. Then I realised I already had. Bring back the Heart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 11000 members. Sounds better than reading out the match day attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melburnian Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 11000 members. Sounds better than reading out the match day attendance. 6k of those members sick of the bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 11000 members. Sounds better than reading out the match day attendance. 6k of those members sick of the bullshit. 6001 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewmelbcity Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 11000 members. Sounds better than reading out the match day attendance. 6k of those members sick of the bullshit.6001 Missed the attendance really only 5999? Sunday timeslot is bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 11000 members. Sounds better than reading out the match day attendance. 6k of those members sick of the bullshit. 6001 Missed the attendance really only 5999? Sunday timeslot is bad. 6486. The fact is that Sunday attendances are higher than Friday and Saturday. The statistics are (excluding derbies and rural matches): Friday: 12 matches 7256; Saturday: 15 matches 7097; Sunday: 20 matches 7687. The Sunday matches are distorted by the first ADP match and the first Villa match. I suggest that that we get piss poor attendances because we provide piss poor entertainment. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 11000 members. Sounds better than reading out the match day attendance. 6k of those members sick of the bullshit. 6001 Missed the attendance really only 5999? Sunday timeslot is bad. 6486. The fact is that Sunday attendances are higher than Friday and Saturday. The statistics are (excluding derbies and rural matches): Friday: 12 matches 7256; Saturday: 15 matches 7097; Sunday: 20 matches 7687. The Sunday matches are distorted by the first ADP match and the first Villa match. I suggest that that we get piss poor attendances because we provide piss poor entertainment. We don't deserve anything BUT Sunday afternoon games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hedaik Posted February 22, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 11000 members. Sounds better than reading out the match day attendance. 6k of those members sick of the bullshit.6001 Missed the attendance really only 5999? Sunday timeslot is bad. Channel 31 having a movie on didn't help 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Heartspur Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 Anyone else think today's attendance figure seemed a little inflated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 pissweak effort from members today, hope to see more turn up on friday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart_fan Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 Sunday 5pm kick offs just don't work for us, but for some reason we seem to get a larger share of them. I think the Villa and ADP matches on Sunday were 3pm kick offs, which seem to be more attractive for fans. What I'd like to know though is how many of these 11k members are season ticket holders (allocated seat or GA)? It must not be that high of a % of the total based on what attendances we are achieving. Until we start winning though there's no chance of us getting growth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 Sunday 5pm kick offs just don't work for us, but for some reason we seem to get a larger share of them. I think the Villa and ADP matches on Sunday were 3pm kick offs, which seem to be more attractive for fans. What I'd like to know though is how many of these 11k members are season ticket holders (allocated seat or GA)? It must not be that high of a % of the total based on what attendances we are achieving. Until we start winning though there's no chance of us getting growth. play shit, get shit times 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markn Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 pissweak effort from members today, hope to see more turn up on friday Its not the fault of the members, its the fact that City are not giving us a reason to come and watch them! Don't blame the customer for not buying - blame the product for being poor. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melburnian Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 pissweak effort from members today, hope to see more turn up on friday Its not the fault of the members, its the fact that City are not giving us a reason to come and watch them! Don't blame the customer for not buying - blame the product for being poor. 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF33 Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 King Malta its important to understand our current position in the market. We receive little no no media. We have poor attendances. The questions should be- Why don't we have a quality recognisable marque player? Why did New York get Villa and Lampard while we only got Koren? Why did LA Galaxy get Gerard? Big names create a big buz. We dont have time to let players settle to show off their skills. Koren is a clear example of how his investment has been a huge failure (thus far). Koren currently has shown little quality to attract people to come and watch him - nor does he have the reputation to attract interest. I'd much rather a lesser known marquee that becomes a Thomas Broich type and dominates the league than an over the hill Steven Gerrard or uninterested David Villa. I agree, but signing a 'Broich-type' could just as easily get us a spud. Just like signing an over-the-hill superstar might get us an A-League superstar. I think the sentiment is right ('who cares what his name is, as long as he rips the A-League to shreds?'), but I think it's fuzzy logic: the assumption that apparently because we haven't heard of a guy that we sign as a marquee, that means he'll be a good signing. I'd never heard of Koren when he signed and I'm sure I wasn't alone in thinking that our marquee would be a 'bigger' name than Duff, who'd already signed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 It's not a players fault. They are there becasue they have been selected. It's the managers job to bring in the player that will fit the right role and have the right mentality. Getting players with the right attributes and mentality has been one of the top major shortfalls of the two managers we have had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 King Malta its important to understand our current position in the market. We receive little no no media. We have poor attendances. The questions should be- Why don't we have a quality recognisable marque player? Why did New York get Villa and Lampard while we only got Koren? Why did LA Galaxy get Gerard? Big names create a big buz. We dont have time to let players settle to show off their skills. Koren is a clear example of how his investment has been a huge failure (thus far). Koren currently has shown little quality to attract people to come and watch him - nor does he have the reputation to attract interest. I'd much rather a lesser known marquee that becomes a Thomas Broich type and dominates the league than an over the hill Steven Gerrard or uninterested David Villa. I agree, but signing a 'Broich-type' could just as easily get us a spud. Just like signing an over-the-hill superstar might get us an A-League superstar. I think the sentiment is right ('who cares what his name is, as long as he rips the A-League to shreds?'), but I think it's fuzzy logic: the assumption that apparently because we haven't heard of a guy that we sign as a marquee, that means he'll be a good signing. I'd never heard of Koren when he signed and I'm sure I wasn't alone in thinking that our marquee would be a 'bigger' name than Duff, who'd already signed. IIRC CFG stated that the marquee may not be a household name but their expectations were that he became a household name. Going by that statement I dare say Koren is not fulfilling that part of the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF33 Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 King Malta its important to understand our current position in the market. We receive little no no media. We have poor attendances. The questions should be- Why don't we have a quality recognisable marque player? Why did New York get Villa and Lampard while we only got Koren? Why did LA Galaxy get Gerard? Big names create a big buz. We dont have time to let players settle to show off their skills. Koren is a clear example of how his investment has been a huge failure (thus far). Koren currently has shown little quality to attract people to come and watch him - nor does he have the reputation to attract interest. I'd much rather a lesser known marquee that becomes a Thomas Broich type and dominates the league than an over the hill Steven Gerrard or uninterested David Villa. I agree, but signing a 'Broich-type' could just as easily get us a spud. Just like signing an over-the-hill superstar might get us an A-League superstar. I think the sentiment is right ('who cares what his name is, as long as he rips the A-League to shreds?'), but I think it's fuzzy logic: the assumption that apparently because we haven't heard of a guy that we sign as a marquee, that means he'll be a good signing. I'd never heard of Koren when he signed and I'm sure I wasn't alone in thinking that our marquee would be a 'bigger' name than Duff, who'd already signed. IIRC CFG stated that the marquee may not be a household name but their expectations were that he became a household name. Going by that statement I dare say Koren is not fulfilling that part of the contract. Fair point. I guess what I'm saying is no team initially signs a marquee just to put bums on seats. 'Big name' and 'quality player for us' don't have to be mutually exclusive any more than 'no-name' and 'terrible player for us' do. Every club expects the marquee that they sign to be an outstanding player at this level when he puts pen to paper, whether he's a household name, or he's been toiling away in some smaller European competition. It's just that clubs often get it wrong. Bottom line: Koren's it for us as a marquee for this year at least (presumably next year, as well), so he either needs to pull his finger out in a big way, or some serious questions need to be asked of those that were responsible for signing him in the first place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Who is responsible for signing Koren? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of Melbourne Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 JD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Does anyone actually see or know this this dude? I don't know what he looks like. We see the odd Twitter post he makes thanking players for their contribution and that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Does anyone actually see or know this this dude? I don't know what he looks like. We see the odd Twitter post he makes thanking players for their contribution and that's all. Since the takeover Didulica and Munn have been muzzled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raw10 Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Sunday 5pm kick offs just don't work for us, but for some reason we seem to get a larger share of them. I think the Villa and ADP matches on Sunday were 3pm kick offs, which seem to be more attractive for fans. What I'd like to know though is how many of these 11k members are season ticket holders (allocated seat or GA)? It must not be that high of a % of the total based on what attendances we are achieving. Until we start winning though there's no chance of us getting growth. play shit, get shit times and shit numbers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 You may be interested in the actual numbers. Excluding derbies and regional matches, our average home attendances have been: S1: 5849 S2: 6472 S3: 7075 S4: 7255 S5 to date: 9924 Obviously the S5 numbers to date are strongly influenced by the two home appearances of David Villa, but there are all sorts of factors involved in the numbers for all the seasons - days of the week, KO times, weather, competing events, etc. etc. I don't think that as supporters and members we should worry too much about the numbers - let the club do that. IMO considering that this is our fifth season without a hint of silverware it's a bloody miracle that anyone turns up at all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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