LR9 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) League One/Two stats for Hartlepool:15 goals in 5349 minutes, goal @ every 356.6 mins (David Williams goal every 313.1 since Fury).99 matches, 58 starts, subbed off 41 times.Has a reputation for a good initial acceleration but standard at pace, decent on the dribble, can hold up, good finisher with feet and head, poor stamina rarely lasts the 90. Edited August 4, 2014 by LR9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 14 goals in 77 games in league 2... hrmm Fair argument. Because he's quite young I'd be curious to see how many minutes he played across those 77 games. I wouldn't be surprised if he came on late or was subbed early in a lot of those games. In 2013-14, 38 matches for 4 goals, one goal every 567 minutes. In 2012-13, 38 matches for 4 goals, one goal every 498 minutes. In 2011-12, 27 matches for 7 goals, one goal every 234 minutes. From transfermarkt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 14 goals in 77 games in league 2... hrmm Kennedy spent 9 years in Germany for 27 goals. Would much prefer someone with a bit of upside even if he hasn't scored for fun in a lower league. Bundasliga 2 vs 4th divi England is a bit different though. Plus Kennedy then proved himself in Japan. I'm not saying the kid is a complete spud coz frankly I know nothing about him but using a visa spot on a guy who'll most likely come off the bench here and there sounds like something Melbourne Heart would do, not city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriente Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 14 goals in 77 games in league 2... hrmm Kennedy spent 9 years in Germany for 27 goals. Would much prefer someone with a bit of upside even if he hasn't scored for fun in a lower league. Bundasliga 2 vs 4th divi England is a bit different though. Plus Kennedy then proved himself in Japan. I'm not saying the kid is a complete spud coz frankly I know nothing about him but using a visa spot on a guy who'll most likely come off the bench here and there sounds like something Melbourne Heart would do, not city. Incorrect, Melbourne Heart would use a visa spot on a bloke who isn't even going to make the bench under a decent coach (see Maycon, Gray, Mifsud). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 I reckon use the last VISA spot on a solid LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 I reckon use the last VISA spot on a solid LB.They're going to/have signed Tom King. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 I reckon use the last VISA spot on a solid LB. They're going to/have signed Tom King. Hasn't he played for under-age Australian representative teams? IMO he qualifies as Australian now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) I reckon use the last VISA spot on a solid LB.They're going to/have signed Tom King.Hasn't he played for under-age Australian representative teams? IMO he qualifies as Australian now.Yep.Probably read what I wrote in the wrong context.(Read as: They're going to sign or have already signed Tom King.) Edited August 4, 2014 by LR9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 What do we know about tom king? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/493368616407293952/Ee2bEZUj.jpeg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demba Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 JVS confirmed today at training that the last VISA spot would be used on a defensive minded player - deal should be done by months end. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Good. Hopefully a good midfield anchor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Good. Hopefully a good midfield anchor Engelaar plz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedukeofhearts Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 JVS confirmed today at training that the last VISA spot would be used on a defensive minded player - deal should be done by months end. months end !!! That's forever away !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 JVS confirmed today at training that the last VISA spot would be used on a defensive minded player - deal should be done by months end. Rules out Poole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 I reckon use the last VISA spot on a solid LB. They're going to/have signed Tom King. Hasn't he played for under-age Australian representative teams? IMO he qualifies as Australian now. Yep. Probably read what I wrote in the wrong context. (Read as: They're going to sign or have already signed Tom King.) King could come in under the "+3" rule, couldn't he? We still seem to have several places left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedukeofhearts Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 unless he's trying to trick us !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 OE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) For the record, as noted by LR9, Poole started just a little bit more than half of his games (which is to be expected, because he started playing for his club when he was just 20-21). Also, he played in midfield last season (the no 10 position, I believe) for 33 games for Hartlepool, so as a striker his strike rate was 12 goals over 66 games (just 37 starts), that is 12 goals over 3398 minutes minutes (about 1 goal every 283 minutes), and all of those games were in League One. Pretty decent stats for a young player IMO (and then of course there's qualitative judgements of his football, including him registering for multiple goal of the season awards [winning 1], and his football skills and potential being pretty highly rated by a number of observers). Anyway, it looks like the plan is to sign a defensive midfielder with the final Visa spot, who can possibly cover as a central defender: Van‘t Schip said he hoped to add to the roster “in the coming weeks”, but was happy, for now, with his squad. “If we’re going to get one more [Visa player] in, it’s going to be more in a defensive-thinking kind of position,” van‘t Schip said. “So that could be a defensive midfielder or somewhere at the back, someone maybe who can play also maybe as a centre back because with Connor (Chapman) in but being sick (glandular fever), at the moment we’re very vulnerable with Robbie (Wielaert) and Patrick (Kisnorbo) only having the two of them. “We have some players behind that can back up like Ross Archibald but he’s very young. We have to make the squad as competitive as possible and that’s the position we’re looking for.” Here: http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/football/melbourne-city-coach-john-vant-schip-says-a-defensive-utility-could-be-its-last-foreign-recruit/story-fnk6pqhe-1227013086336 and here: http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/no-rush-koren-melbourne-city-learn-engelaar-blow Probably makes sense. Even though I suggested using the Visa spot on a striker might be pretty useful, we already have Villa (for 10 games) in that position, David Williams and probably the Aus marquee will be a striker as well (probably Kennedy). It's probably a good idea to use the remaining Visa spot on a position where we don't have a marquee that can play in the same position. We know the club has been looking at signing Erik Paartalu and 28 year old Eredivisie player Ryan Koolwijk (not known for sure, but I'll assume he wasn't considered for the marquee spot). If we can get a DM of that ilk, I believe we'd definitely have the best midfield in the competition, and that would go a long way towards the team being successful next season (and if that foreign DM can also play as a CB, all the better). Edited August 4, 2014 by Murfy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Apparently the reason the Jerks havent got Paartalu yet is because his Thai club wont release him before the January transfer window. So I guess that rules him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyheart Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Apparently the reason the Jerks havent got Paartalu yet is because his Thai club wont release him before the January transfer window. So I guess that rules him out. Would be nice if CFG offered them 100k fee (or something) for him considering it seems almost certain he'd go in Jan. anyway Id be very happy with the final visa spot going to a DM if we're only going to be playing one, with Koren & Mooy more advanced. Not sure if Mass or Nicky K are up to it. Maybe mass? Unfortunate about Chapman hope he gets well soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Apparently the reason the Jerks havent got Paartalu yet is because his Thai club wont release him before the January transfer window. So I guess that rules him out. Would be nice if CFG offered them 100k fee (or something) for him considering it seems almost certain he'd go in Jan. anyway Id be very happy with the final visa spot going to a DM if we're only going to be playing one, with Koren & Mooy more advanced. Not sure if Mass or Nicky K are up to it. Maybe mass? Unfortunate about Chapman hope he gets well soon! the two preseason games in Ballarat we played with one DM and two AM's JVS has done this in the past, I guess it just depends on if they sign someone who is capable to do the job by themselves. I dont think mass could, Germano probably? but he is always injured. If we could manage it and have Koren and Mooy more advanced, id love that. Mooy can always help back too since he did play the DM role at WSW anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewmelbcity Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) Apparently the reason the Jerks havent got Paartalu yet is because his Thai club wont release him before the January transfer window. So I guess that rules him out.Would be nice if CFG offered them 100k fee (or something) for him considering it seems almost certain he'd go in Jan. anyway Id be very happy with the final visa spot going to a DM if we're only going to be playing one, with Koren & Mooy more advanced. Not sure if Mass or Nicky K are up to it. Maybe mass? Unfortunate about Chapman hope he gets well soon! the two preseason games in Ballarat we played with one DM and two AM's JVS has done this in the past, I guess it just depends on if they sign someone who is capable to do the job by themselves. I dont think mass could, Germano probably? but he is always injured. If we could manage it and have Koren and Mooy more advanced, id love that. Mooy can always help back too since he did play the DM role at WSW anyway I think mooy was quoted in saying the reason he came to heart/ city was that they consider him for a more attacking role and he didn't think dm was the role for him. Edited August 4, 2014 by drewmelbcity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victards Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Have there been any linked names for that final visa spot lately? What's the latest with those 2 dutch midfielders we were linked with a month or so ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 For the record, as noted by LR9, Poole started just a little bit more than half of his games (which is to be expected, because he started playing for his club when he was just 20-21). Also, he played in midfield last season (the no 10 position, I believe) for 33 games for Hartlepool, so as a striker his strike rate was 12 goals over 66 games (just 37 starts), that is 12 goals over 3398 minutes minutes (about 1 goal every 283 minutes), and all of those games were in League One. Pretty decent stats for a young player IMO (and then of course there's qualitative judgements of his football, including him registering for multiple goal of the season awards [winning 1], and his football skills and potential being pretty highly rated by a number of observers). Anyway, it looks like the plan is to sign a defensive midfielder with the final Visa spot, who can possibly cover as a central defender: Van‘t Schip said he hoped to add to the roster “in the coming weeks”, but was happy, for now, with his squad. “If we’re going to get one more [Visa player] in, it’s going to be more in a defensive-thinking kind of position,” van‘t Schip said. “So that could be a defensive midfielder or somewhere at the back, someone maybe who can play also maybe as a centre back because with Connor (Chapman) in but being sick (glandular fever), at the moment we’re very vulnerable with Robbie (Wielaert) and Patrick (Kisnorbo) only having the two of them. “We have some players behind that can back up like Ross Archibald but he’s very young. We have to make the squad as competitive as possible and that’s the position we’re looking for.” Here: http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/football/melbourne-city-coach-john-vant-schip-says-a-defensive-utility-could-be-its-last-foreign-recruit/story-fnk6pqhe-1227013086336 and here: http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/no-rush-koren-melbourne-city-learn-engelaar-blow Probably makes sense. Even though I suggested using the Visa spot on a striker might be pretty useful, we already have Villa (for 10 games) in that position, David Williams and probably the Aus marquee will be a striker as well (probably Kennedy). It's probably a good idea to use the remaining Visa spot on a position where we don't have a marquee that can play in the same position. We know the club has been looking at signing Erik Paartalu and 28 year old Eredivisie player Ryan Koolwijk (not known for sure, but I'll assume he wasn't considered for the marquee spot). If we can get a DM of that ilk, I believe we'd definitely have the best midfield in the competition, and that would go a long way towards the team being successful next season (and if that foreign DM can also play as a CB, all the better). JVS is correct. If we're vulnerable ATM it's in the back half of the squad. I can't see that we have quality cover for Wielaert and Kisnorbo. Going forward we have an abundance of goal scoring avenues, more so than at anytime in our club's history. Scoring probably won't be our weakness, but keeping the opposing team from scoring might be. So a defender/DM with experience would be highly desirable - something like what Madaschi was able to bring to the team in that brief golden period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Going forward we have an abundance of goal scoring avenues, more so than at anytime in our club's history. Scoring probably won't be our weakness, We'll certainly get lots of shots on goal but as we've seen this doesn't translate into goals all that often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Going forward we have an abundance of goal scoring avenues, more so than at anytime in our club's history. Scoring probably won't be our weakness, We'll certainly get lots of shots on goal but as we've seen this doesn't translate into goals all that often. In the past, agree. That was when our main weapons, to put it loosely, were Duga, Willo and the ever present threat, Mifsud. Now we can include Mooy, Koren, Duff and Villa. Surely there's a bag of goals in that lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Going forward we have an abundance of goal scoring avenues, more so than at anytime in our club's history. Scoring probably won't be our weakness, We'll certainly get lots of shots on goal but as we've seen this doesn't translate into goals all that often. In the past, agree. That was when our main weapons, to put it loosely, were Duga, Willo and the ever present threat, Mifsud. Now we can include Mooy, Koren, Duff and Villa. Surely there's a bag of goals in that lot. Williams: 10 goals, Villa: 8, Kennedy: 8, Dugandzic: 7, Koren: 6, Duff: 6, Mooy: 5 = 50 goals and that's just from our midfield. You'd probably throw in a couple of headers to Paddy from a corner too The most goals a club scored last season was 45 by AU (6th), 43 by Roar (1st), 42 by Tards (4th), 40 by SFC (5th). With Berisha gone from Brisbane you'd think their goal count would come down to under 40 so I see Adelaide (and possibly Sydney) as our big scoring threats this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/melbourne-city-coach-john-vant-schip-says-a-defensive-utility-could-be-its-last-foreign-recruit/story-e6frf4gl-1227013086336 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Video of the presser with JVS yesterday: http://www.melbournecityfc.com.au/article/news/1g0dad9fcy6771cxq34kf0ug2c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Mauk and Garrucio (and Marino) will play against the 'All-Stars' tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Video of the presser with JVS yesterday: http://www.melbournecityfc.com.au/article/news/1g0dad9fcy6771cxq34kf0ug2c Just listening carefully to that it seems as though we have signed (or will sign) Ross Archibald either to a senior or NYL contract. And that's good news. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Paulo Retre has been representing the club with some visits to local football clubs: https://twitter.com/RiversdaleSC/status/496851253557612544 I reckon him, and Archibald, have been signed up for next season. Apart from 2013 pre-season when Aloisi was coach, where Retre played in midfield alongside Hoffman (and didn't stand out, as no players did under Aloisi), I haven't seen much of him. Has he looked good in the NYL team perhaps? Our coaches, JVS, Trani and Jolic seem to rate him, so I guess we'll see more of Retre in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluka Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 our U21, or so they were called, i believe lost to La Trobe today. Not sure what score was but I believe all the game's goals were early Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperfuzz Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 If this was the game at John Cain, I work literally across the road, and there was a Young Victory vs Young Heart game going on. Saw a bit. We have up a goal with some awful, awful defensive play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperfuzz Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 (edited) here's a really exciting pic of it Edited August 6, 2014 by hyperfuzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Milos Jujic? I reckon he'd be a good squad player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Milos Jujic? I reckon he'd be a good squad player.An "Another game for Milos" banner will be a must. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Paulo Retre has been representing the club with some visits to local football clubs: https://twitter.com/RiversdaleSC/status/496851253557612544 I reckon him, and Archibald, have been signed up for next season. Apart from 2013 pre-season when Aloisi was coach, where Retre played in midfield alongside Hoffman (and didn't stand out, as no players did under Aloisi), I haven't seen much of him. Has he looked good in the NYL team perhaps? Our coaches, JVS, Trani and Jolic seem to rate him, so I guess we'll see more of Retre in the future. FWIW Kamal Ibrahim was still representing the club on school visits after he had been delisted so I would not take too much away from that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Milos Jujic? I reckon he'd be a good squad player. An "Another game for Milos" banner will be a must. Why not make shirts? Get it done Melburnians you cunts...oh wait 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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