Start planning for 2016-17 now

[tigerou812]

To be honest I like that we have a good tight league. Sure I want to win every game. But a even competition makes for better and more exciting football. If we have two or three teams with money it will end up like some of leagues in europe with the same handful of teams winning all the time.

[NewConvert]

 

Gallop is already aware of the loan loop hole and I am sure that will be closed.

 

One other way around the cap is City could sign a players in Brazil for example. Loan them back to the hypothetical Brazilian club, pay the player most of their contract in the first season then loan them to us in the second season.

But Gallop also needs to recognise that the earth is moving under his feet and that he's part of a global game and market.

 

The entry of big international stakeholders into the A-League means that deregulation is inevitable.

 

 

On the contrary. The USA one of the largest markets in the world has several sports with caps as well as the AFL here in Oz. In Europe they are slowly moving towards a more even playing field by regulating club expenditures. Sport is a form of entertainment and the way to keep most people interested is to ensure that there are competitve games with an unpredictable result. Othewrise the net result is that a few teams will always end up on top and poach players from lower clubs once they have been trained to a required level. This tends to be dull and too predictable, hence regulations are created to ensure a more entertaining league. As The Economist put it in Europe football is the freest expression of free market liberalism and in the USA sport is the only bastion of socialism.

[Rellum]

Why would we want to rort the salary cap? Let's just recruit astutely.

I am not saying we should, just that there will be multiple ways around the cap if someone wanted too. I don't want us too. I want them to focus and the youth academy and develop a ACL winning team, not buy one.

[LR9]

Some 'want' players for next season...

Australian players: Mark Birighitti, Ivan Franjic, Aaron Mooy, Jason Davidson (possible junior marquee)

VISA: Fabio Ferrera

Asian VISA: Mike Havenaar

Domestic Marquee: Mark Bresciano or Brett Holman

As for a marquee I would hope we aim really high, in the Sam Eto'o or Ronaldinho category...

[billyheart]

Some 'want' players for next season...

Australian players: Mark Birighitti, Ivan Franjic, Aaron Mooy, Jason Davidson (possible junior marquee)

VISA: Fabio Ferrera

Asian VISA: Mike Havenaar

Domestic Marquee: Mark Bresciano or Brett Holman

As for a marquee I would hope we aim really high, in the Sam Eto'o or Ronaldinho category...

You know how to put together a good list!

Havenaar is a left field one!

At 26 surely not, but does the 'Asian marquee' exist in ALeague or just an ACL thing?

[LR9]

 

Some 'want' players for next season...

Australian players: Mark Birighitti, Ivan Franjic, Aaron Mooy, Jason Davidson (possible junior marquee)

VISA: Fabio Ferrera

Asian VISA: Mike Havenaar

Domestic Marquee: Mark Bresciano or Brett Holman

As for a marquee I would hope we aim really high, in the Sam Eto'o or Ronaldinho category...

You know how to put together a good list!

Havenaar is a left field one!

At 26 surely not, but does the 'Asian marquee' exist in ALeague or just an ACL thing?

 

Nah there isn't, but there is a 6th VISA spot available for Asian players.

 

However if you work the cap well, you can essentially fit a 'marquee' type within the cap.

 

E.g. 2 marquees + 150k of your junior marquee's wage out side the cap, 8-10 squad players taking minimum or close too (500-600k), 4-6 mid-range players on ~100k (400-600k), 4-6 top-range players ~200k (800k-1m) and even a loanee or two, which leaves you with a nice little war chest (500-800k) for another gun player inside the cap.

Edited February 5, 2014 by LR9

[kingofhearts]

 

 

Some 'want' players for next season...

Australian players: Mark Birighitti, Ivan Franjic, Aaron Mooy, Jason Davidson (possible junior marquee)

VISA: Fabio Ferrera

Asian VISA: Mike Havenaar

Domestic Marquee: Mark Bresciano or Brett Holman

As for a marquee I would hope we aim really high, in the Sam Eto'o or Ronaldinho category...

You know how to put together a good list!

Havenaar is a left field one!

At 26 surely not, but does the 'Asian marquee' exist in ALeague or just an ACL thing?

 

Nah there isn't, but there is a 6th VISA spot available for Asian players.

 

However if you work the cap well, you can essentially fit a 'marquee' type within the cap.

 

E.g. 2 marquees + 150k of your junior marquee's wage out side the cap, 8-10 squad players taking minimum or close too (500-600k), 4-6 mid-range players on ~100k (400-600k), 4-6 top-range players ~200k (800k-1m) and even a loanee or two, which leaves you with a nice little war chest (500-800k) for another gun player inside the cap.

 

Do you do Sydneys' books?

[LR9]

I've got some possible good news...

According to Dave Davudovic the only players coming out of contract are:

Behich (loan), Engelaar, Gerhardt, Hoffman, Kewell, Kisnorbo, Maltese Messi, Mitchinson, Tando, Vranks, Walker and Willo.

Which would mean that all of the following have a contract for 2014/15 and beyond:

Redmayne, Wielaert, Ramsay, Murdocca, Germano, Garuccio, Mauk, Kalmar and Mate.

Particularly s

urprised by the highlighted, surely he's fucked up on Germano there, at least?

Full back Jason Hoffman and keeper Tando Velaphi are believed to be the first Heart players to sign extensions under the new owners, ­although Heart ­officials refused to comment.

Nine Heart players will be coming out of contract, led by Harry Kewell and marquee import Orlando ­Engelaar. David ­Williams, Patrick Gerhardt, Patrick Kisnorbo, Michael Mifsud, Sam Mitchinson, David Vrankovic and ­Jeremy Walker are the others.

Three foreign spots are potentially up for grabs with only Dutchman Rob Wielaert and Argentine Jonatan Germano contracted for next season.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/wanderers-midfielder-aaron-mooy-to-join-melbourne-heart-next-season/story-fnk6pqhd-1226819016711

Edited February 5, 2014 by LR9

[Murfy1]

Davutovic knows his stuff. The best Melbourne Heart journalist by a mile IMO, and one of Australia's best football journalists overall.

 

Hopefully he's right about some of those other players as well.

Edited February 5, 2014 by Murfy1

[Murfy1]

Here's a rough sketch of mine on how I'd like to see the squad remade for next season:

 

OUT

1 Dmac

2 Velaphi

3 Hoffman

4 Mebrahtu

5 Williams

6 Mifsud

7 Mitchinson

8 Gerhardt

9 Behich (apparently contracted with Bursaspor until June 2016)

 

IN

1 Mooy. 23, already joined CM

2 Daniel Georgievski, 25, at Steaua Bucuresti, RB

4 Jason Davidson. 22, Melburnian, good European experience, contract expires in June LB

5 Paartalu, 27, in championship Roar side DM

6 Tomas Rosicky, 33, Arsenal veteran, contract expires in June CAM

7 Scott McDonald, 30, Melburnian, wantaway, former Celtic player CF

8 Nathan Burns, 25, his club is prepared to release him, livewire CAM/CF 

9 Backup Goalkeeper

10 VISA CAM/CF

 

2014/2015 SQUAD OF 23

1 Redmayne (contacted until June 2016)

2 Walker 

3 Wielaert (V)

4 Engelaar (V)

5 Ramsay (contacted until June 2015)

6 Murdocca (contacted until June 2015)

7 Kewell ©

8 Germano (V)

9 Vrankovic 

10 Garuccio 

11 Mauk 

12 Kalmar

13 Dugandzic

14 Kisnorbo

15 Georgievski

16 Mooy

17 Davidson

18 Paartalu

19 Rosicky (V)

20 McDonald

21 Burns

22 Backup Goalkeeper

23 VISA CAM/CF

 

           Kewell     McDonald

 

                 Rosicky     

                

         Engelaar        Mooy

 

                 Paartalu

 

Davidson  Wielaert Kisnorbo   Georgievski   

 

                Redmayne

 

BENCH

Backup Goalkeeper

Vrankovic

Germano/VISA CAM/CF

Dugandzic

Burns

 

OMITTED

Walker

Ramsay

Murdocca

Garuccio

Mauk

Kalmar

Germano/VISA CAM/CF

 

 

Even with just several changes, we can fundamentally change the squad and the starting XI. But the club needs to make multiple important strategic signings, including the difficult fullback positions and quality Australian and VISA marquees, ideally 1 being a playmaker and the other being a striker.

 

I expect Man City to come up with the goods. It'll be interesting to see how they remake the squad.

Edited February 5, 2014 by Murfy1

[Shahanga]

A few things to think about:

• Could keep Mitchinson over Walker.  Might seem silly but Sam is seemingly more versatile
• Does Vrankovic have a future at this level?  Despite a near record losing streak 2 different gaffers haven't seen fit to give him a run - why is that? 
• Kalmar.  Just think despite promising signs he hasn't made the leap and his spot should go to a younger player
• Would keep Willo, though not at the current rumoured pay levels

[alexli]

Heard some rumour that Adam Targgart will head to a Korean Club.

So there is a chance acquire him at January 2015.

Love to see Targgart and Mooy in one team!

[malloy]

How the fuck does Hoffman keep getting contract extensions....

I know he has been acceptable this season he is hardly someone you would want to keep.

Surely he has some incriminating photos of some one.

[theresonlyonebzamora]

Thank you Malloy, some sense at last (and to jw in the other thread)

[Murfy1]

It's an interesting question what should be done with the team's young players. Davutovic confirmed yesterday that Mitchinson (age 21), Vrankovic (20) and Walker (20) will be out of contract at season's end, whilst it's not perfectly clear what's happening with Mauk (18) and Garuccio (18) (although, since Davutovic didn't mention them it could be guessed that they are contracted).

 

There are reasonable arguments to keep all 5 players, but probably a few players should be moved on.

 

Mauk and Garuccio are both still young and have shown enough promise to stay.

 

If Hoffman stays, as much as I hate it Walker might have to go (though I think he's been screwed over, given far too few chances to prove himself). By next season we should have a proper right-back; no more makeshifts in the Man City era.

 

I don't think we should keep both Mitchinson and Vrankovic. I haven't seen that much from Mitchinson, but I was pretty impressed watching Vrankovic in the U22 team, so I'd prefer to keep him.

 

Another thing to remember is NYL players. Some won't be able to play in Heart's NYL team next season (players must be 21 or under as of January 1 in the year of the season). I don't know enough about the NYL squad, but it's conceivable that some might make the senior team next season over the likes of Mitchinson and co.

 

Especially if numerous older players stay around (like Hoffman, Velaphi, Germano, Wielaert etc), some of the young players will probably have to go.  And IMO, any young players that leave will be hard done by, as I think Aloisi gave them a lot less chances to prove themselves than they deserved.

[Tommykins]

It's an interesting question what should be done with the team's young players. Davutovic confirmed yesterday that Mitchinson (age 21), Vrankovic (20) and Walker (20) will be out of contract at season's end, whilst it's not perfectly clear what's happening with Mauk (18) and Garuccio (18) (although, since Davutovic didn't mention them it could be guessed that they are contracted).

 

There are reasonable arguments to keep all 5 players, but probably a few players should be moved on.

 

Mauk and Garuccio are both still young and have shown enough promise to stay.

 

If Hoffman stays, as much as I hate it Walker might have to go (though I think he's been screwed over, given far too few chances to prove himself). By next season we should have a proper right-back; no more makeshifts in the Man City era.

 

I don't think we should keep both Mitchinson and Vrankovic. I haven't seen that much from Mitchinson, but I was pretty impressed watching Vrankovic in the U22 team, so I'd prefer to keep him.

 

Another thing to remember is NYL players. Some won't be able to play in Heart's NYL team next season (players must be 21 or under as of January 1 in the year of the season). I don't know enough about the NYL squad, but it's conceivable that some might make the senior team next season over the likes of Mitchinson and co.

 

Especially if numerous older players stay around (like Hoffman, Velaphi, Germano, Wielaert etc), some of the young players will probably have to go.  And IMO, any young players that leave will be hard done by, as I think Aloisi gave them a lot less chances to prove themselves than they deserved.

 

 

Has been far better then Vrankovic in the youth team. Vranks probably hasn't even been our best centre half in the youth, to be honest.

[Embee]

With the Salary Cap structured as it is it's not possible for every player in the squad to be above the league average. I wouldn't be particularly comfortable with Hoffman being our locked in RB with no competition but I am comfortable with him being a squad member (competing for the RB spot and earning it on merit if he does) if his wages are reflective of that.

 

If Hoffman's wage demands are quite low, which I expect they are, it makes sense to re-sign him in my opinion.

Edited February 6, 2014 by King Malta

[jw1739]

It's going to be very tough on a lot of the young lads. It's a very sad aspect of the numbers cap that most of the promising youngsters just won't be able to be kept on.

 

Again, I don't think these decisions should be made by the present caretaker coach(es) and caretaker administration if it can be avoided, and I hope Soriano is on to this aspect. There are only four NYL matches to go, and surely there's no rush. There's certainly no rush to make decisions for the young players already on senior contracts, but as I understand it the problem is if offers come in for our NYL players we have only two weeks to mount a counter-offer (if we want to); otherwise we have no hold over them.

[NewConvert]

It's going to be very tough on a lot of the young lads. It's a very sad aspect of the numbers cap that most of the promising youngsters just won't be able to be kept on.

 

Again, I don't think these decisions should be made by the present caretaker coach(es) and caretaker administration if it can be avoided, and I hope Soriano is on to this aspect. There are only four NYL matches to go, and surely there's no rush. There's certainly no rush to make decisions for the young players already on senior contracts, but as I understand it the problem is if offers come in for our NYL players we have only two weeks to mount a counter-offer (if we want to); otherwise we have no hold over them.

 

Tough call on this. Clubs have to begin planning early - they can't wait for the season to end, have the new coach in place and then recruit/re-sign players because by then it would be too late. My preference would have been for next season's coach to be in place already (even if he is not coaching the team right now) so then he can have a meaningful input into the selection. The alternative is that Soriano already has his own man in the club looking at all players and potential recruits, and he is giving the nod to the rumoured signings. Another alternative is that the coach and recruiting officer are already at the club and have extensive experience, that is, JvS and JD will remain in their spots.

[jw1739]

 

It's going to be very tough on a lot of the young lads. It's a very sad aspect of the numbers cap that most of the promising youngsters just won't be able to be kept on.

 

Again, I don't think these decisions should be made by the present caretaker coach(es) and caretaker administration if it can be avoided, and I hope Soriano is on to this aspect. There are only four NYL matches to go, and surely there's no rush. There's certainly no rush to make decisions for the young players already on senior contracts, but as I understand it the problem is if offers come in for our NYL players we have only two weeks to mount a counter-offer (if we want to); otherwise we have no hold over them.

 

Tough call on this. Clubs have to begin planning early - they can't wait for the season to end, have the new coach in place and then recruit/re-sign players because by then it would be too late. My preference would have been for next season's coach to be in place already (even if he is not coaching the team right now) so then he can have a meaningful input into the selection. The alternative is that Soriano already has his own man in the club looking at all players and potential recruits, and he is giving the nod to the rumoured signings. Another alternative is that the coach and recruiting officer are already at the club and have extensive experience, that is, JvS and JD will remain in their spots.

 

OK I'll accept that that we can't just hang around, but there are 10 weeks of the regular season to go... I guess my comments are driven by my preference to have a new coach, and new people in the senior administration roles, and I don't want another season of mediocrity. I'm not expecting instant success, but I just don't want to be going into yet another season already knowing that the likely scenario is a bottom four finish.

[sharpy]

Yavuz Tufan

[Rellum]

 

It's going to be very tough on a lot of the young lads. It's a very sad aspect of the numbers cap that most of the promising youngsters just won't be able to be kept on.

 

Again, I don't think these decisions should be made by the present caretaker coach(es) and caretaker administration if it can be avoided, and I hope Soriano is on to this aspect. There are only four NYL matches to go, and surely there's no rush. There's certainly no rush to make decisions for the young players already on senior contracts, but as I understand it the problem is if offers come in for our NYL players we have only two weeks to mount a counter-offer (if we want to); otherwise we have no hold over them.

 

Tough call on this. Clubs have to begin planning early - they can't wait for the season to end, have the new coach in place and then recruit/re-sign players because by then it would be too late. My preference would have been for next season's coach to be in place already (even if he is not coaching the team right now) so then he can have a meaningful input into the selection. The alternative is that Soriano already has his own man in the club looking at all players and potential recruits, and he is giving the nod to the rumoured signings. Another alternative is that the coach and recruiting officer are already at the club and have extensive experience, that is, JvS and JD will remain in their spots.

 

Agree with this. Realistically next year is going to be a year of setting up the club, putting in place processes and the like. I don't think they are going to sign a whole new team or viably change things next season apart form maybe a marque or so. The year after that we will start to see the change.

[Murfy1]

No Heart transfers, no worry

 

Ben McKay

 

Feb 7 2014

 

The revolution is coming, it's just hasn't arrived yet.

 

That's the message from Melbourne Heart's lack of business in the A-League mid-season transfer window.

 

While fans of the beleaguered club hoped their new super-rich owners might have brought in a big name to whet the appetite for the 2014/15 season, they were disappointed.

 

Heart were the only side not to add to their playing stocks during a busy transfer window, but coach John van`t Schip isn't concerned.

 

"We're confident with the players that we have and we want to finish with this group, we want to finish this season," van't Schip said.

 

"The club went through a takeover and it's not the time now to shake up the squad.

 

"To do it now on a short term and have to turn it around in a few months, we decided to keep it how it was."

 

Van`t Schip suggested the new owners had laid out the transfer guidelines for Heart, which did not include short-term prospects for this season - already lost with the Heart eight points adrift at the foot of the table.

 

"It was a decision that the new owners took but actually we took it all together," he said.

 

"If there was really someone we could get in also for next year we would have had a go for it but that wasn't the case so we continue with the group we have now."

 

Heart have reportedly signed Western Sydney Wanderers' Aaron Mooy for next season after the midfielder was told he would not be offered a new contract but the club declined to confirm the move on Thursday.

 

 

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8795856

[Shahanga]

How the fuck does Hoffman keep getting contract extensions....

I know he has been acceptable this season he is hardly someone you would want to keep.

Surely he has some incriminating photos of some one.

The fact that you posted that suggests you are yet to receive your email from "The Hoff", (with photo attached), suggesting you'd best change your pitch....

[Grimey]

/thread ;-)

[Murfy1]

Davutovic said this today on his Studs Up blog about Heart signings:

 

Hoffman and Tando Velaphi been re-signed, aside from that pretty quiet. The Mooy deal was done pre-City purchase, so I think the directive since the takeover has been "hold fire".

First time I've heard it suggested that they are definitely re-signed.

 

Hopefully now we've got the small fries sorted out (backup GK, utility/backup RB?) and can go after more important quality signings.

Edited February 10, 2014 by Murfy1

[jw1739]

Davutovic said this today on his Studs Up blog about Heart signings:

 

Hoffman and Tando Velaphi been re-signed, aside from that pretty quiet. The Mooy deal was done pre-City purchase, so I think the directive since the takeover has been "hold fire".

First time I've heard it suggested that they are definitely re-signed.

 

Hopefully now we've got the small fries sorted out (backup GK, utility/backup RB?) and can go after more important quality signings.

Very disappointed. Wasn't any rush. Wasn't as if anyone else was lining up to sign them.

 

Munn out. Didulica out.

[Melburnian]

We have butchered Vrankovic. Immense talent. 

 

I think resigning Hoffman is dependant on wage demands etc. If for the minimum our fans just need to realise that we need a few of these types to stay under the cap. He has shown improvement to suggest he can be an effective squad member. 

 

Tando is a bit the same, but he can't get infront of Golden Child Redmayne. Given that we would need squad depth I am not upset at the resignings unless they are for wages above minimum squad member salary.

 

Now sign, Mauk, Garrucio, Vrankovic on the minimum and go out and get some great talent under the cap.

[cadete]

We have butchered Vrankovic. Immense talent. 

 

I think resigning Hoffman is dependant on wage demands etc. If for the minimum our fans just need to realise that we need a few of these types to stay under the cap. He has shown improvement to suggest he can be an effective squad member. 

 

Tando is a bit the same, but he can't get infront of Golden Child Redmayne. Given that we would need squad depth I am not upset at the resignings unless they are for wages above minimum squad member salary.

 

Now sign, Mauk, Garrucio, Vrankovic on the minimum and go out and get some great talent under the cap.

I'm sorry but how many times have you actually seen Vranks play?

And more to the point how many times have you seen him play against Grown Men?

 

We have hardly butchered the bloke by choosing to play two expeirenced CB who have played in strong European Leagues over a young untried CB.

Football Clubs worldwide choose to play CB's with expeirence over younger players learning their trade.

 

Likewise its very rare in the world that you are going to see a CB replaced throughout a game.

So its not like Vranks can get the last 15 minutes of match that Mauk or Garrucio have recieved at times this Season.

[Tommykins]

We have butchered Vrankovic. Immense talent. 

 

I think resigning Hoffman is dependant on wage demands etc. If for the minimum our fans just need to realise that we need a few of these types to stay under the cap. He has shown improvement to suggest he can be an effective squad member. 

 

Tando is a bit the same, but he can't get infront of Golden Child Redmayne. Given that we would need squad depth I am not upset at the resignings unless they are for wages above minimum squad member salary.

 

Now sign, Mauk, Garrucio, Vrankovic on the minimum and go out and get some great talent under the cap.

 

Come along to a youth game mate! Vranks hasn't been deserving of a first team spot this year, Archibald and arguably Mullet have both been better.

[Shahanga]

Agreed Tommykins.  I thought Archibald was the better of the 2 when I saw them.  

[Tommykins]

Plus Archibald is much more a ball playing defender, if we end up missing out on finals, I'd love to see him get some senior minutes.

[jw1739]

The cruelty of it is that some of these young lads are going to miss out. I don't mind the salary cap, but IMO if you have a salary cap you don't need a numbers cap as well. Can't see any reason why if a club wants to have additional players on the basic wage and can fit them under the cap it should be prevented from doing so.

[Melburnian]

 

We have butchered Vrankovic. Immense talent. 

 

I think resigning Hoffman is dependant on wage demands etc. If for the minimum our fans just need to realise that we need a few of these types to stay under the cap. He has shown improvement to suggest he can be an effective squad member. 

 

Tando is a bit the same, but he can't get infront of Golden Child Redmayne. Given that we would need squad depth I am not upset at the resignings unless they are for wages above minimum squad member salary.

 

Now sign, Mauk, Garrucio, Vrankovic on the minimum and go out and get some great talent under the cap.

I'm sorry but how many times have you actually seen Vranks play?

And more to the point how many times have you seen him play against Grown Men?

 

We have hardly butchered the bloke by choosing to play two expeirenced CB who have played in strong European Leagues over a young untried CB.

Football Clubs worldwide choose to play CB's with expeirence over younger players learning their trade.

 

Likewise its very rare in the world that you are going to see a CB replaced throughout a game.

So its not like Vranks can get the last 15 minutes of match that Mauk or Garrucio have recieved at times this Season.

 

 

This year, none.

 

Before that, over 30 times. I knew his talent before he was signed. This kid has not had a clear run of it when he should have. Last season in particular.

 

People crapping on about performances this season, well of course he has slipped. His confidence is low and performances have suffered. As I have stated, his talent is what has been butchered, in my opinion.

 

The kid has risen through the representative ranks by showing what he has got. 

[fiz.heart]

Pretty sure Vrankovic is left footed so maybe we should try him at left back when Aziz goes back to Turkey..? He should be alot more solid than what Hoffman is at right back.

[cadete]

 

 

We have butchered Vrankovic. Immense talent. 

 

I think resigning Hoffman is dependant on wage demands etc. If for the minimum our fans just need to realise that we need a few of these types to stay under the cap. He has shown improvement to suggest he can be an effective squad member. 

 

Tando is a bit the same, but he can't get infront of Golden Child Redmayne. Given that we would need squad depth I am not upset at the resignings unless they are for wages above minimum squad member salary.

 

Now sign, Mauk, Garrucio, Vrankovic on the minimum and go out and get some great talent under the cap.

I'm sorry but how many times have you actually seen Vranks play?

And more to the point how many times have you seen him play against Grown Men?

 

We have hardly butchered the bloke by choosing to play two expeirenced CB who have played in strong European Leagues over a young untried CB.

Football Clubs worldwide choose to play CB's with expeirence over younger players learning their trade.

 

Likewise its very rare in the world that you are going to see a CB replaced throughout a game.

So its not like Vranks can get the last 15 minutes of match that Mauk or Garrucio have recieved at times this Season.

 

 

This year, none.

 

Before that, over 30 times. I knew his talent before he was signed. This kid has not had a clear run of it when he should have. Last season in particular.

 

People crapping on about performances this season, well of course he has slipped. His confidence is low and performances have suffered. As I have stated, his talent is what has been butchered, in my opinion.

 

The kid has risen through the representative ranks by showing what he has got. 

 

Vranks came to us as kid who had shown he had enough ability to apart of a NSWPL winning side in a position that requires a lot of poise so I agree he came to us with Top Billing for a youngster. I agree there was probably was a time or two in the first half of the Season where he should been given a go instead of Coloismo mainly due to Coloismo's lack of form.

 

However nobody can say that Vranks was being so overally impressive himself in the NYL that he was knocking the door down.

 

Regardless, in the second half of last Sesaon to his credit Coloismo did turn things around and started playing much better football alongside Paddy G who was probably our second best performer of the entire Season. (As for this Season, I cant really think of any time Vranks has pushed to be selected over our other three other Central Defenders.)

 

Edit - FFA Cup games next Season will be great for young Central Defenders/Central Attackers like Vranks to show there potential ability to their clubs.

Edited February 11, 2014 by cadete

[Murfy1]

I've argued for the likes of Vrankovic and Mauk to get game time not because they have been in great form, but because our senior starting XI have been in truly woeful form for much of this season. Especially whilst we were on our 12 games winless streak under Aloisi, we should have shaken up the squad and played our young players.

 

Off the top of my head I can think of 1 if not 2 games when Vrankovic should have started: the 2-0 loss against Sydney at AAMI (Kisnorbo was injured and Gerhardt unimpressed in the previous 2 losing games, a 3-0 loss to BR and a 1-0 loss to WSW), and possibly the WSW match at AAMI the week before (again, Gerhardt looked really out of sorts in his appearances before this match, the loss to BR, him replacing Kisnorbo against Perth and when he was subbed on against CCM and clumsily gave away a Pen due to a handball).

 

Likewise, there were at least 3-4 matches from memory when Mauk could have played a key or starting role when both Kewell and Kalmar were injured in the first half of the season. He was a really sensible like-for-like change, but JA persisted with Williams as our no. 10, perhaps because it arguably worked well the first time against CCM (although it didn't at all work well for the approx 7 games after that).

 

I'm firmly of the opinion that many young players have been really shortchanged at Heart. They have been given stunningly few chances to show what they can do, despite the older players taking 15 games to get the first win this season (I agree that JA heavily caused this winless run, but nonetheless it's remarkable that the older players didn't play well enough to fluke a win at least once across those 15 games). I can see players like Vrankovic, Walker and Mitchinson getting released at season's end, and I can't help but think that they got a rough deal from Heart, a club that liked to boast of its youth policy (whereas this season we've probably played the fewest young players out of all clubs, despite the team being dead last all season and the team crying out to be shaken up).

[Murfy1]

Erik Paartalu is now a free agent. He's 27, won 2 championships and a premiership with Postecoglou's Roar, has played overseas with Tianjin Teda (where it seems he played most games and was rather highly regarded, but he didn't settle in) and even has a few Socceroos caps. He's a defensive midfielder.

 

Davutovic reported last week that Heart was keen on Paartalu, seemingly for next season, although Paartalu's agent said some things which seem rather strange now:

 

Melbourne Victory and Sydney FC both tried to secure former Brisbane midfielder Erik Paartalu on loan for the rest of the season.

Heart had also inquired about Paartalu, 27, now with Chinese side Tianjin Teda.

"Three clubs were interested, two clubs straight away and a third beyond this season for rebuilding,'' Paartalu's manager David O'Keefe said.

"Erik was humbled by the interest but he has another two years at Tianjin and felt obliged to honour that. He played every game last season and scored five goals.''

 

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/wanderers-midfielder-aaron-mooy-to-join-melbourne-heart-next-season/story-fnk6pqhd-1226819016711

 

Really hope we sign him. Him and Mooy are just the kind of quality Australian players that could give us multiple good seasons. Hopefully though we don't miss out on him, and other good players, because we are waiting until the end of the season to start rebuilding....

[Shahanga]

My squad wish list I came up with a while back but never bothered to post:

 

 

1. Jones 

2. Redmayne

 

3. Marrone (gone now)

4. Archibald

5. Kisnorbo

6. Zullo (unlikely)

7. Mitchinson

8. Import (seemingly Weilart)

9. Import

 

10. Murdocca

11. Mooy

12. Kewell

13. Paartalu

14. Mauk

15. retre

16. Import (International marquee)

 

17. Garuccio

18. Mate

19. Ramsay

20. Ruykuvstka (Oz marquee)

21. Williams

22. Import

23. Spare for 'ron.

 

I suspect I need a few more journeymen to meet the cap.  Interesting exercise in that you quickly started to appreciate how hard it is to get the squad you want.

 

Anyway reason that I posted it now, as definitely would like Eric, if we can fit him under the cap. 

[alexli]

Erik Paartalu is now a free agent. He's 27, won 2 championships and a premiership with Postecoglou's Roar, has played overseas with Tianjin Teda (where it seems he played most games and was rather highly regarded, but he didn't settle in) and even has a few Socceroos caps. He's a defensive midfielder.

 

Davutovic reported last week that Heart was keen on Paartalu, seemingly for next season, although Paartalu's agent said some things which seem rather strange now:

 

Melbourne Victory and Sydney FC both tried to secure former Brisbane midfielder Erik Paartalu on loan for the rest of the season.

Heart had also inquired about Paartalu, 27, now with Chinese side Tianjin Teda.

"Three clubs were interested, two clubs straight away and a third beyond this season for rebuilding,'' Paartalu's manager David O'Keefe said.

"Erik was humbled by the interest but he has another two years at Tianjin and felt obliged to honour that. He played every game last season and scored five goals.''

 

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/wanderers-midfielder-aaron-mooy-to-join-melbourne-heart-next-season/story-fnk6pqhd-1226819016711

 

Really hope we sign him. Him and Mooy are just the kind of quality Australian players that could give us multiple good seasons. Hopefully though we don't miss out on him, and other good players, because we are waiting until the end of the season to start rebuilding....

The reason why Erik Paartalu got released is Tianjin's new manager Arie Haan would like an asian defender rather than a defensive midfielder. Have got a good season in Tianjian last year. Would love to have him at heart