jw1739 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Not that I disagree with your sentiments in terms of future expansion, but it's not quite true that NQF "fell over." FFA pulled the rug from under NQF's feet while it was trying to get a community ownership model working, and had previously disallowed a takeover of the club by Singapore interests (only to allow Brisbane to be owned lock, stock and barrel by an Indonesian mob just a few years later). And NQF still exists as a youth club, and has not given up hope of one day returning to the big league. A little more time could have seen that club survive in the A-League. WSW exists only because it is completely funded by tax-payer's money. No private money will go into the ownership of that club for several years to come. FFA needs to set criteria consistently throughout the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fentonthescreamingcactus Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Look at Brisbane bears in afl 15 years ago they were poorly set up and had to merge with fitzroy, where now days GWS and Gold Coast won't be going anywhere because they've been set up well even through they have low fan base. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theresonlyonebzamora Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Look at Brisbane bears in afl 15 years ago they were poorly set up and had to merge with fitzroy, where now days GWS and Gold Coast won't be going anywhere because they've been set up well even through they have low fan base. wait... what? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Look at Brisbane bears in afl 15 years ago they were poorly set up and had to merge with fitzroy, where now days GWS and Gold Coast won't be going anywhere because they've been set up well even through they have low fan base. Surely must be trolling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biancorosso7 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Rukavystya reportedly to leave Mainz. Interesting proposition. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphine Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Look at Brisbane bears in afl 15 years ago they were poorly set up and had to merge with fitzroy, where now days GWS and Gold Coast won't be going anywhere because they've been set up well even through they have low fan base. I'll back you in here Cactii. That's actually a decent call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 (edited) GWS and Gold Coast won't be going anywhere because they've been set up well even through they have low fan base.I thought it was because the afl were pumping cash into them and bending the rules to make them remotely competitive so they could try and convert rugby league supporters not because either club is set up well. Although living off the gravy train is a pretty good set up from the clubs perspective I suppose. Edited August 6, 2013 by KSK_47 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fentonthescreamingcactus Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 At least the afl has money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 At least the afl has money Which is why they can frivolously expand and we can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fentonthescreamingcactus Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 If we expand correctly the ffa will make more money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 I dont disagree, but correctly means built on a stable foundation and that is easier said than done. Particularly when you take finances into account. Anyway. This is a topic for another thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 If we expand correctly the ffa will make more money Wow really? I also heard that if we get more people to the soccer we can make more money 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fentonthescreamingcactus Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Thanks for the clarification 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Rukavystya reportedly to leave Mainz. Interesting proposition. We already have so many wingers but I'd play him as a striker, he's got pace and is tall enough to hold down a central target position. Would give him Australian marquee status too to be honest if we couldn't fit him in the cap, quality player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fentonthescreamingcactus Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 (edited) Played striker at perth and would of played with wielaert at twente Edited August 6, 2013 by Fentonthescreamingcactus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of Melbourne Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Barabarouses just sign with the Tards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sculls_6 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Konstantinidis starting today; is this news? Pardon my ignorance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millm103 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Konstantinidis starting today; is this news? Pardon my ignorance Wonder how he will go Sculls? heard much about him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerhead Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Konstantinidis starting today; is this news? Pardon my ignorance Still listed as a Trail player on the team sheet, their was a rumor going around that he might have signed. https://twitter.com/MelbourneHeart/status/364961929099350017/photo/1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sculls_6 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Konstantinidis starting today; is this news? Pardon my ignorance Still listed as a Trail player on the team sheet, their was a rumor going around that he might have signed. https://twitter.com/MelbourneHeart/status/364961929099350017/photo/1 Yeah realise he's still listed as a trial player, but it's nice to know that we're in this position when there was interest from other A-League clubs. Konstantinidis starting today; is this news? Pardon my ignorance Wonder how he will go Sculls? heard much about him? Target man; spent a fair chunk of his career in Greece; looking for a bit of recognition from the Socceroos setup that he wasn't getting playing in Greece, mostly in the second-tier from what I can gather. Hopefully goes well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyh001 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 (edited) Not that I disagree with your sentiments in terms of future expansion, but it's not quite true that NQF "fell over." FFA pulled the rug from under NQF's feet while it was trying to get a community ownership model working, and had previously disallowed a takeover of the club by Singapore interests (only to allow Brisbane to be owned lock, stock and barrel by an Indonesian mob just a few years later). And NQF still exists as a youth club, and has not given up hope of one day returning to the big league. A little more time could have seen that club survive in the A-League. WSW exists only because it is completely funded by tax-payer's money. No private money will go into the ownership of that club for several years to come. FFA needs to set criteria consistently throughout the league. by all means the FFA were pretty ordinary in the way they treated North Queensland at the end, but IIRC North Queensland didn't help themselves by having their major backer pull out by the end of the first year. the FFA had to step in and knew that if a viable model was found soon then they were going to back out and drop the team. how hard the FFA pushed is one thing, but i have serious doubts as to how viable some of the promoted financial models (community based or otherwise) actually were. bluntly i can't recall anyone from North Queensland making their viable options public - something that says to me that it is (at for the most part) the options they were selecting / offering had too much risk and would constantly put the financial state of the FFA at risk. call it what you will, it was their poor financial state that called time on their A League involvement. like you, i think that they would have done okay had they been given more time, but then again we are actually getting away from the point of the thread to be honest, i think the FFA say what was coming with Gold Coast and, coupled with the failed rise of the Sydney Rovers (the original team for West Sydney planned for the season after Heart) decided they needed to be more involved in the future. Edited August 7, 2013 by mattyh001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mus-28 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Nick Ward on trial at WSW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 According to the gospel that is Soccer Stoppage Time, Engelaar has been signed as a marquee, take this with as many grains of salt as required. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 According to the gospel that is Soccer Stoppage Time, Engelaar has been signed as a marquee, take this with as many grains of salt as required. Oh yeahhhhhh, we're gonna win the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyh001 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 hope he doesnt sign for us but Foschini has been given the boot http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/a-league/news/1162905/Foschini-released-by-Victory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluka Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) If so, we will have some great defensive set ups. ----------The Doc.---------- Engelaar-------- --Behich----Gerhardt---Wielaert---Walker -----------------Redmayne---------------- Vrankovic can cover CB and RB Mitchinson & Ramsay cover LB Germano can cover CDM Edited August 8, 2013 by Deluka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyh001 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 If so, we will have some great defensive set ups. The Doc. Engelaar Behich. Wielaert <-> Gerhardt. Walker Redmayne Vrankovic can cover CB and RB Mitchinson & Ramsay cover LB Germano can cover CDM Germano has played at RB too so it is actually coming together nicely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Not 100% sure if this has alwas been speculation only, but is there an actual rule in the HAL, through the PFA, where a certain amount of the cap needs to be spent/allocated per season? (Similar to the AFL)If so, I would assume we will still spend bucket loads.We released 10 players last season including Thompson, Bolton, Fred, Colosimo and Tadic freeing up over 50% of the cap.Engelaar is outside the cap, Behich comes free, Kewell joins for $50k, Walker, Velaphi, Mauk and Mitchinson all on minimum wage too.This leaves only Murdocca, Ramsey and Wielaart and if they offered under 200k to Garcia, how much could these guys possibly be on?Rough estimate, I reckon we have well over $500k of salary cap room left for our final two signings... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartinHobart Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Rough estimate, I reckon we have well over $500k of salary cap room left for our final two signings... And the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Not 100% sure if this has alwas been speculation only, but is there an actual rule in the HAL, through the PFA, where a certain amount of the cap needs to be spent/allocated per season? (Similar to the AFL) If so, I would assume we will still spend bucket loads. We released 10 players last season including Thompson, Bolton, Fred, Colosimo and Tadic freeing up over 50% of the cap. Engelaar is outside the cap, Behich comes free, Kewell joins for $50k, Walker, Velaphi, Mauk and Mitchinson all on minimum wage too. This leaves only Murdocca, Ramsey and Wielaart and if they offered under 200k to Garcia, how much could these guys possibly be on? Rough estimate, I reckon we have well over $500k of salary cap room left for our final two signings... That's actually a very good brief run down on where the expenses have been spent, in regards to contracts. there's also a January transfer window to consider... so even if we are under the compulsory amount now... we can fill it up in that window too, can't we? do you know if it's for the season or before the season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart_fan10 Posted August 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 at this stage I would prefer us to sign McGrath over Garcia. We've got enough talented wingers as it is, and I think a young Aussie out and out striker is exactly what we need. We'll have Kewell, McGrath and Macallister to play as our striker, and it gives us more flexibility with our last visa spot to sign an attacking/creative player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Not 100% sure if this has alwas been speculation only, but is there an actual rule in the HAL, through the PFA, where a certain amount of the cap needs to be spent/allocated per season? (Similar to the AFL) If so, I would assume we will still spend bucket loads. We released 10 players last season including Thompson, Bolton, Fred, Colosimo and Tadic freeing up over 50% of the cap. Engelaar is outside the cap, Behich comes free, Kewell joins for $50k, Walker, Velaphi, Mauk and Mitchinson all on minimum wage too. This leaves only Murdocca, Ramsey and Wielaart and if they offered under 200k to Garcia, how much could these guys possibly be on? Rough estimate, I reckon we have well over $500k of salary cap room left for our final two signings... There certainly was up to and including last season - it was 85% of the salary cap. However, I'm not sure quite how this could be affected by the change this season to FFA picking up the wages of each club up to the salary cap, but I would assume that the rule still applies. I think your estimate is close, +/- $100k. IMHO a good striker on $400k per season is very possible. Leaving one spot (which could be an Australian marquee if we really wanted to spend up big). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalHeart Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Any news on Billy K? Do you guys reckon he would be a good signing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Any news on Billy K? Do you guys reckon he would be a good signing? IMHO is really another Macallister, but based on the match v. Latrobe Select (which might be a poor yardstick) he's more mobile. He's also younger. Depends what MHFC has in terms of its "succession plan" - Macallister's contract finishes at the end of 2013/14. If we sign a real quality central striker then there's probably no room for Billy K. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexDaGroza Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Pretty sure at least 85% of the salary cap needs to be used Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluka Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Pretty sure at least 85% of the salary cap needs to be used Yep, it's 85%. Also, I didn't like what I saw from Konstantinidis on wednesday, so i'd prefer we didn't sign him, at times he didn't look comfortable on the ball...perhaps just nerves but he really struggled when he had multiple opponents. That's just my observation though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 I'd rather McGrath to be honest, would be fantastic if we nabbed him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fentonthescreamingcactus Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 How could you be nervous against la trobe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluka Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 How could you be nervous against la trobe I say nervous because he's on trial trying to get a contract, not because of the opposition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexandro Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 (edited) How could you be nervous against la trobe Nervous being watched by Aloisi. Nervous knowing that you're playing a shit team so if you don't play well it's embarrassing. I'm a slow typer... Edited August 9, 2013 by alexandro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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