KSK_47 Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Perhaps the worst/stupidest decision in regards to the A-League was to not have two Melbourne and Sydney teams from the get-go. Or to have a five year exclusivity clause for Victory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKD Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Or to have a five year exclusivity clause for Victory Yes, that is what I was basically referring to. Big mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Again. Disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Again. Disagree And I bet u still wonder why u did not make the debating team at school. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 And I bet u still wonder why u did not make the debating team at school. It's funny because I did . FWIW persuasive writing and speeches were easily where I was my strongest throughout school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 It's funny because I did . FWIW persuasive writing and speeches were easily where I was my strongest throughout school. :clap: :clap: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKD Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) Again. Disagree So on one hand you complain about poor attendance for Heart matches, then here you say you're content with the performance of the FFA? If both Melbourne teams were introduced from the beginning there would be a strong fan base backing each respective team. It would divide the city, resulting in far more interest across the state. There is a reason a lot of teams struggle to attract a crowd. It all goes back to the source of the problem, namely the FFA. Edited November 10, 2012 by MKD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) If both Melbourne teams were introduced from the beginning there would be a strong fan base backing each respective team. It would divide the city, resulting in far more interest across the state. You don't know that. That's completely hypothetical and is a lot easier to say in hindsight. Without trying to sound like a closet Victory fan, having a very strong team in Melbourne has been great for the league whether we'd like to admit it or not. Who knows where the A-league would be if we had two mediocre teams in the city. The "Big Blue" may never of developed, which was the big draw card of the league for quite some time. The A-League may not of attracted anywhere near the sponsorships or the interest it has without Victory and Sydney being allowed to be big clubs. Also if you remember back to when the League began there was a lot of concern about if Victory alone would be sustainable. Putting another team in Melbourne would of been considered suicide at the time. Victory being big is not the only reason why we are small. The reasons why we're small have been covered in great detail in a number of threads. I don't hold the FFA responsible. What's the point in bitching about it now anyway? It's not going to change anything that's happened and it won't raise our attendances. We're here now and we're not that far off being sustainable. There is plenty of Melbourne and Victoria left for us, all we need is a spell of good form, a few good decisions from Munn and co. and a solid TV deal and we'll be up and about. Edited November 10, 2012 by Jimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marteaux Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 You don't know that. That's completely hypothetical and is a lot easier to say in hindsight. Without trying to sound like a closet Victory fan, having a very strong team in Melbourne has been great for the league whether we'd like to admit it or not. Who knows where the A-league would be if we had two mediocre teams in the city. The "Big Blue" may never of developed, which was the big draw card of the league for quite some time. The A-League may not of attracted anywhere near the sponsorships or the interest it has without Victory and Sydney being allowed to be big clubs. Also if you remember back to when the League began there was a lot of concern about if Victory alone would be sustainable. Putting another team in Melbourne would of been considered suicide at the time. Victory being big is not the only reason why we are small. The reasons why we're small have been covered in great detail in a number of threads. I don't hold the FFA responsible. What's the point in bitching about it now anyway? It's not going to change anything that's happened and it won't raise our attendances. We're here now and we're not that far off being sustainable. There is plenty of Melbourne and Victoria left for us, all we need is a spell of good form, a few good decisions from Munn and co. and a solid TV deal and we'll be up and about. Shut up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) Also if you remember back to when the League began there was a lot of concern about if Victory alone would be sustainable. Putting another team in Melbourne would of been considered suicide at the time. Victory being big is not the only reason why we are small. The reasons why we're small have been covered in great detail in a number of threads. I don't hold the FFA responsible. What's the point in bitching about it now anyway? It's not going to change anything that's happened and it won't raise our attendances. We're here now and we're not that far off being sustainable. There is plenty of Melbourne and Victoria left for us, all we need is a spell of good form, a few good decisions from Munn and co. and a solid TV deal and we'll be up and about. You do raise some valid points Jimmy. I agree, its not entirely the FFA's fault, but if they had given us an equivalent amount of money that they spent on Victory (their licence fee, all the cash pumped into promotion of the game during the first few seasons) then we may have a bit more of a solid foundation to work on. You are right though, its all in the past. We need to work with what we have. The board knew that we would not be propped up by FFA money when we came in, so it was up to them to come up with a plan to work within these limitations. Only time will tell if we will become successful. And when/if we do become successful, we can be proud knowing that we built this club ourselves without any handouts what so ever. A true football club. Edited November 10, 2012 by KSK_47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Shut up fight me marteux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKD Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 You don't know that. That's completely hypothetical and is a lot easier to say in hindsight. Without trying to sound like a closet Victory fan, having a very strong team in Melbourne has been great for the league whether we'd like to admit it or not. Who knows where the A-league would be if we had two mediocre teams in the city. The "Big Blue" may never of developed, which was the big draw card of the league for quite some time. The A-League may not of attracted anywhere near the sponsorships or the interest it has without Victory and Sydney being allowed to be big clubs. Also if you remember back to when the League began there was a lot of concern about if Victory alone would be sustainable. Putting another team in Melbourne would of been considered suicide at the time. Victory being big is not the only reason why we are small. The reasons why we're small have been covered in great detail in a number of threads. I don't hold the FFA responsible. What's the point in bitching about it now anyway? It's not going to change anything that's happened and it won't raise our attendances. We're here now and we're not that far off being sustainable. There is plenty of Melbourne and Victoria left for us, all we need is a spell of good form, a few good decisions from Munn and co. and a solid TV deal and we'll be up and about. It may be hypothetical, but it seems rather obvious doesn't it? In a city with 4million+ people, a team in the national soccer league should not be struggling to pull 5k+ at all home games (Victory the exception). Similarly,your statement of the 'would be future' is also completely hypothetical. There is no reason why there can't be two big clubs in Melbourne. But to introduce one from the beginning, and then a second down the track was wrong. Fans want to have a choice, and had both teams been introduced from the start, they'd be evenly split. I'd rather have half a dozen strong clubs than two powerhouses and 8 small-medium clubs. It makes long-term success far more difficult and less sustainable. There is still plenty of opportunity for the Heart to grow, but it will take time. The FFA can't be blamed for everything, but they are a key reason why soccer still struggles in this nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzatron Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/soccer-rocket-how-a-single-flare-threatens-to-snuff-out-club-20121113-29971.html Bit more on the VPL GF incident, pretty harsh penalty for the club. Will suck if the club dies because of this. Fine the individual/individuals IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 http://www.theage.co...1113-29971.html Bit more on the VPL GF incident, pretty harsh penalty for the club. Will suck if the club dies because of this. Fine the individual/individuals IMO. The club wont give up the indivduals even though they know who they are... that is half the problem. (Not that I dont understand their viewpoint.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzatron Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Surely stadium surveillance can pinpoint the perps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted November 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 ACG should be held partially accountable for poor security perhaps? At any rate, I quite enjoy George Andrews Reserve even though it can be a bit interesting at times. Blame and punish the individual, not Dandy Thunder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) Um lets not go to overboard on the Anti Establishement stuff... Two girls were struck by the Flare from a Flare Gun, that is a pretty fucked up situation to have at a Soccer game in Austraia if you ask me. Edited November 13, 2012 by cadete 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 By the way if u have ever wanted to know the heritage of a local club, its all here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Federation_Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKD Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Lol, the person who did it must feel like such an idiot right now. I'm surprised no charges were laid against the individuals directly. I would've thought for incidents like these where someone is hurt, the perpetrator would be liable as well. Would be disappointing to see the club fold over something like this. Surely the FFV knew that the club would struggle with such a sanction. As they say, the individual is not bigger than the club. Everyone shouldn't have to suffer over the actions of a few dickheads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Lol, the person who did it must feel like such an idiot right now. I'm surprised no charges were laid against the individuals directly. I would've thought for incidents like these where someone is hurt, the perpetrator would be liable as well. Would be disappointing to see the club fold over something like this. Surely the FFV knew that the club would struggle with such a sanction. As they say, the individual is not bigger than the club. Everyone shouldn't have to suffer over the actions of a few dickheads. VPL attendances could be having a real shocker next year: No Dandy And no Greek Derbies either with Bergers relegated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKD Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 VPL attendances could be having a real shocker next year: No Dandy And no Greek Derbies either with Bergers relegated. Yeh, you're right. The FFV would know this though, so perhaps they have shot themselves in the foot here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 It's not anti-establishment, it's pointing out that ACG are pretty shit at their job. A flare gun at a game is fucked up regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FB. Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 All Dandy needs to do is buy another pill press. Should be rolling in the dollars again in no time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) Bit of movement starting to occur amongst the State Leagues: Apparently Green Gully are spending some decent money to chase back the Title they (Finally) lost, Osagie Ederaro may even be on his way out after being last season's prize recruit after they stole him from Heildelberg. Port Melbourne after having to wait an extra season on coming back to the VPL (They threw away the 2011 SL1 Title on the last day) are taking no chances and recruiting strongly to stay up. Apparently Sarkies has left Alexander to join the Sharks. South have picked up a few players from QLD - Make of that what you will... Edited January 22, 2013 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InMyHeart Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Bit of movement starting to occur amongst the State Leagues: Apparently Green Gully are spending some decent money to chase back the Title they (Finally) lost, Osagie Ederaro may even be on his way out after being last season's prize recruit after they stole him from Heildelberg. Port Melbourne after having to wait an extra season on coming back to the VPL (They threw away the 2011 SL1 Title on the last day) are taking no chances and recruiting strongly to stay up. Apparently Sarkies has left Alexander to join the Sharks. South have picked up a few players from QLD - Make of that what you will... Feel free to make a 2013 thread!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toogood18 Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Post in here all news to do with local state leagues and VPL news. Know that South have signed a couple of players from Queensland in Tyson Holmes (Trialed with Adelaide United) and Rhys Meredith (Trialed with the FFA NRMA WSW) as well as bringing back Carl Recchia from Whittlesea and Alan Kearney who played with Southern Stars last year. Think Port Melbourne will be a smoky for finals this year and the same teams will be up in contention again, should be an interesting season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Bit of movement starting to occur amongst the State Leagues: Apparently Green Gully are spending some decent money to chase back the Title they (Finally) lost, Osagie Ederaro may even be on his way out after being last season's prize recruit after they stole him from Heildelberg. Port Melbourne after having to wait an extra season on coming back to the VPL (They threw away the 2011 SL1 Title on the last day) are taking no chances and recruiting strongly to stay up. Apparently Sarkies has left Alexander to join the Sharks. South have picked up a few players from QLD - Make of that what you will... Feel free to make a 2013 thread!! Strong Tap In - KUTGW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mus-28 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Klim Taseski signs for Richmond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Klim Taseski signs for Richmond Will be sorely missed at Zebras, not that I expected him to stay on in SL1... Another solid VPL season and IMO he could find himself having a proper crack at the A League which really would be a great story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marn11 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Help me out knowledgeable folk of this thread. I want to get more into this, get behind a side etc. Only problem is I have no idea about any of the clubs. What club generally has the best/most friendly fan culture? And if anybody is willing to pitch in any time, can I have a rundown of who the better players are going around in the league. Cheers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKD Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Help me out knowledgeable folk of this thread. I want to get more into this, get behind a side etc. Only problem is I have no idea about any of the clubs. What club generally has the best/most friendly fan culture? And if anybody is willing to pitch in any time, can I have a rundown of who the better players are going around in the league. Cheers. I think you'll find that most clubs would be somewhat welcoming. All VPL and state league teams need all the support they can get, so they aren't necessarily going to turn you down. IMO your best bet is to find a club that is representative of your particular ethnic background, since most teams are based on such. That may be a challenge if you're not Greek, since half the teams in the VPL this season have some kind of Greek association. In terms of the VPL this is pretty much the ethnic breakdown of the league. This isn't designed to put you off if none of the teams are a match. Your location may be a more appropriate factor when choosing a side. Greek Clubs: South Melbourne, Port Melbourne, Northcote City, Oakleigh, Bentleigh Croatian: Melbourne Knights Macedonian: Pascoe Vale Turkish: Hume City, Southern Stars Albanian: Dandenong Green Gully: Maltese Richmond: German Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marn11 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Help me out knowledgeable folk of this thread. I want to get more into this, get behind a side etc. Only problem is I have no idea about any of the clubs. What club generally has the best/most friendly fan culture? And if anybody is willing to pitch in any time, can I have a rundown of who the better players are going around in the league. Cheers. I think you'll find that most clubs would be somewhat welcoming. All VPL and state league teams need all the support they can get, so they aren't necessarily going to turn you down. IMO your best bet is to find a club that is representative of your particular ethnic background, since most teams are based on such. That may be a challenge if you're not Greek, since half the teams in the VPL this season have some kind of Greek association. In terms of the VPL this is pretty much the ethnic breakdown of the league. This isn't designed to put you off if none of the teams are a match. Your location may be a more appropriate factor when choosing a side. Greek Clubs: South Melbourne, Port Melbourne, Northcote City, Oakleigh, Bentleigh Croatian: Melbourne Knights Macedonian: Pascoe Vale Turkish: Hume City, Southern Stars Albanian: Dandenong Green Gully: Maltese Richmond: German Thanks a heap mate. Unfortunately I'm about the least "ethnic" person in the country, so no favours there. And I live a fair way out of Melbourne, so I have no geographical preference. I have researched a little bit, and I'm thinking Richmond. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theresonlyonebzamora Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 richmond are a good club. friendly crowd, good location etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKD Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Help me out knowledgeable folk of this thread. I want to get more into this, get behind a side etc. Only problem is I have no idea about any of the clubs. What club generally has the best/most friendly fan culture? And if anybody is willing to pitch in any time, can I have a rundown of who the better players are going around in the league. Cheers. I think you'll find that most clubs would be somewhat welcoming. All VPL and state league teams need all the support they can get, so they aren't necessarily going to turn you down. IMO your best bet is to find a club that is representative of your particular ethnic background, since most teams are based on such. That may be a challenge if you're not Greek, since half the teams in the VPL this season have some kind of Greek association. In terms of the VPL this is pretty much the ethnic breakdown of the league. This isn't designed to put you off if none of the teams are a match. Your location may be a more appropriate factor when choosing a side. Greek Clubs: South Melbourne, Port Melbourne, Northcote City, Oakleigh, Bentleigh Croatian: Melbourne Knights Macedonian: Pascoe Vale Turkish: Hume City, Southern Stars Albanian: Dandenong Green Gully: Maltese Richmond: German Thanks a heap mate. Unfortunately I'm about the least "ethnic" person in the country, so no favours there. And I live a fair way out of Melbourne, so I have no geographical preference. I have researched a little bit, and I'm thinking Richmond. Thoughts? No worries. As bzamora said, Richmond are a good choice. I don't know much about them a part from playing against them as a junior, but they'd be an interesting side to follow. This is just a guess, but I reckon they'd have a mix of nationalities supporting them, so you'd probably feel more comfortable with that. Very accessible area too, near the city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theresonlyonebzamora Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 i only know so much about VPL so i'm hardly considered an expert, but northcote and south melb are also decent, friendly crowds. if you take out the 'ethnicity' which understandably forms a backbone of many clubs, it's really no different to watching VFA or your local pub team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dRoy Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Dandy thunder have a very family friendly atmosphere. They are my team Well the are because they are the closest Team i have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKD Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Yeh, If you're looking for larger crowds/atmosphere then South Melbourne, Dandenong and possibly Melbourne Knights would interest you. Don't take my word for it though, I haven't been to VPL matches for a while. My team is in state league 2 atm unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marn11 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Again, cheers everyone. Richmond seem to be the easiest to get to, plus I see Taseski has signed on there, so they sound like the team for me. Also read that they're a young side which i like. Crowd size doesn't faze me, it is more about the quality if the supporters to be honest. That's why we follow the Heart and not Victory The closest team to me is Ballarat in state league 2, but there are a heap of flogs. dRoy, sorry pal but Dandenong may as well be on the other side if the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dRoy Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Haha. There's always one team that's closest to someone but far away from another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKD Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Thought some of you here might enjoy this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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