Domestic Politics

[xXJawsaXx]

Even Perth building an airport train line now, but apparently Melbourne doesn't need one

Wasn't the government throwing the idea around a couple of months ago? Something about a monorail?

[Embee]

 

Even Perth building an airport train line now, but apparently Melbourne doesn't need one

Wasn't the government throwing the idea around a couple of months ago? Something about a monorail?

 

I heard they built some in Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook, and by gum it put them on the map!

[Nate]

 

Even Perth building an airport train line now, but apparently Melbourne doesn't need one

Wasn't the government throwing the idea around a couple of months ago? Something about a monorail?

 

[hedaik]

 

Even Perth building an airport train line now, but apparently Melbourne doesn't need one

Wasn't the government throwing the idea around a couple of months ago? Something about a monorail?

 

 

That was a private company proposing the idea for the monorail, which I don't think was taken very seriously. 

 

The current state LIberal government has promised to build an airport line as part of their new Metro line. 

Edited August 15, 2014 by hedaik

[xXJawsaXx]

 

 

Even Perth building an airport train line now, but apparently Melbourne doesn't need one

Wasn't the government throwing the idea around a couple of months ago? Something about a monorail?

 

 

That was a private company proposing the idea for the monorail, which I don't think was taken very seriously. 

 

The current state LIberal government has promised to build an airport line as part of their new Metro line. 

 

Ahh, I didn't realise that it was a private company.

An airport line should've been built years ago, it is ridiculous to think that Melbourne doesn't have one.

[Tesla]

Even Perth building an airport train line now, but apparently Melbourne doesn't need one

Wasn't the government throwing the idea around a couple of months ago? Something about a monorail?

 

That was a private company proposing the idea for the monorail, which I don't think was taken very seriously. 

 

The current state LIberal government has promised to build an airport line as part of their new Metro line.

Ahh, I didn't realise that it was a private company.

An airport line should've been built years ago, it is ridiculous to think that Melbourne doesn't have one.

Are there any successful monorails in Australia?

Are there any non-ugly monorails anywhere?

AFAIK private companies provide unsolicited proposals like that all the time to government, and some must lead to $$$ (at least "investigation" or "planning" or "pre-construction" $$$) if they keep doing it. Interested to know more about this if anyone actually knows more, any examples of infrastructure projects that have gone ahead after being originally proposed by a private company?

Edited August 15, 2014 by Tesla

[MKD]

Bring the Donny rail line already ya dogs!

[Tesla]

Was only a matter of time until Clive demonstrated just how insane he is.

[cadete]

Was only a matter of time until Clive demonstrated just how insane he is.

I remember a young Tesla loving Clive the "Gold Coast United Tyrant" due to his Trolling Qualities...

[hedaik]

Was only a matter of time until Clive demonstrated just how insane he is.

 

I wonder if his new newspaper will have the results of his own soccer league in it

[cadete]

On a serious note usually these "Flash In A Pan" types are over by the third election they contest maybe if Palmer and his idiotic followers push things far enough he can be done with by the next election.

 

If not then there is always the hope that he does a Tinkler and goes bankrupt.

Edited August 19, 2014 by cadete

[Tesla]

Was only a matter of time until Clive demonstrated just how insane he is.

I remember a young Tesla loving Clive the "Gold Coast United Tyrant" due to his Trolling Qualities...

Correct. His insanity was thoroughly hilarious until he decided to get into politics. Well, it was still funny even then because it didn't look like he'd have any serious impact. However, once he actually ended up in a position of power by controlling the senate, it was no longer a joke.

Once his political career is over and he reverts back to trolling shit that has no impact on me, I'll probably like the bloke again TBH

BTW, I still believe he didn't deserve to have his A-League licence revoked, and it was a bad move by the FFA because of the message it sent to other investors, and I'd say that's why the FFA couldn't find any investors for a West Sydney franchise even though it was likely to succeed. Of course the FFA redeemed themselves by creating the West Sydney franchise themselves, which did turn out to be a success as expected.

Edited August 19, 2014 by Tesla

[malloy]

Was only a matter of time until Clive demonstrated just how insane he is.

I remember a young Tesla loving Clive the "Gold Coast United Tyrant" due to his Trolling Qualities... Correct. His insanity was thoroughly hilarious until he decided to get into politics. Well, it was still funny even then because it didn't look like he'd have any serious impact. However, once he actually ended up in a position of power by controlling the senate, it was no longer a joke.

Once his political career is over and he reverts back to trolling shit that has no impact on me, I'll probably like the bloke again TBH

BTW, I still believe he didn't deserve to have his A-League licence revoked, and it was a bad move by the FFA because of the message it sent to other investors, and I'd say that's why the FFA couldn't find any investors for a West Sydney franchise even though it was likely to succeed. Of course the FFA redeemed themselves by creating the West Sydney franchise themselves, which did turn out to be a success as expected.

Reckon this is just the tip of the iceberg for CP.

[Tesla]

When will the criminal organisation that is the ALP be shut down?

Corruption, rape, they're out of control.

Shut down the unions, lock up all members. Shut down the labor party, lock up all members.

Let's put the criminals behind bars and clean up our nation

Edited August 21, 2014 by Tesla

[xXJawsaXx]

Really, I am not surprised about anything the ALP does anymore, they have been corrupt for years, as are all political parties, left and right. The problem with the Unions is that they have become bureaucratised to the point of no return. I do not agree that they should be disbanded of course. Reforming them and democratising them is the best option, but Union leaders are so power hungry that it will never happen.

[cadete]

As Andrew Bolt even said (mind you he mentioned no names) this Shorten Rape crap should never of been published and FWIW some have them have gone way out control but Unions in general still serve a purpose in society (Hence even I was once proudly a member of one).

Edited August 21, 2014 by cadete

[xXJawsaXx]

As Andrew Bolt even said (mind you he mentioned no names) this Shorten Rape crap should never of been published and FWIW some have them have gone way out control but Unions in general still serve a purpose in society (Hence even I was once proudly a member of one).

A life in politics is akin to being a celebrity these days, any dirt that can be found, will, and it will be published.

 

Of course Unions still serve a purpose, but I stand by my statement that most need to be reformed and operate seperate from the state (Not in bed with the ALP)

 

[cadete]

 

As Andrew Bolt even said (mind you he mentioned no names) this Shorten Rape crap should never of been published and FWIW some have them have gone way out control but Unions in general still serve a purpose in society (Hence even I was once proudly a member of one).

A life in politics is akin to being a celebrity these days, any dirt that can be found, will, and it will be published.

 

Of course Unions still serve a purpose, but I stand by my statement that most need to be reformed and operate seperate from the state (Not in bed with the ALP)

 

I still think the Shorten thing should have been left alone.

 

And obviously I agree that Union Reforms are very much needed in this country,  just the way they cripple the ALP is Sydney is sickening.

[Tesla]

Clearly I was just fucking around with my other post.

But it is astounding how many Labor politicians are linked with criminal activity. Obviously there are dodgy cunts on either side of politics but it appears to be far worse in the Labor party. Most seem to come from a union background as well.

Obviously there is a place for unions, to an extent, but it's pretty clear that there are certain large unions which are basically criminal organisations.

[cadete]

Clearly I was just fucking around with my other post.

But it is astounding how many Labor politicians are linked with criminal activity. Obviously there are dodgy cunts on either side of politics but it appears to be far worse in the Labor party. Most seem to come from a union background as well.

Obviously there is a place for unions, to an extent, but it's pretty clear that there are certain large unions which are basically criminal organisations.

Inb4 BH points out that you could not pick a worse time to make such a point... 

 

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2014/s4067431.htm

[Tesla]

Clearly I was just fucking around with my other post.But it is astounding how many Labor politicians are linked with criminal activity. Obviously there are dodgy cunts on either side of politics but it appears to be far worse in the Labor party. Most seem to come from a union background as well.

Obviously there is a place for unions, to an extent, but it's pretty clear that there are certain large unions which are basically criminal organisations.

Inb4 BH points out that you could not pick a worse time to make such a point... 

 

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2014/s4067431.htm

Even with that, I still know of a lot more Labor politicians linked to illegal activities than Liberal ones.

Really, all this does is further prove that people will always act in self interest, and we should further embrace systems that turn each individuals self interest into a positive outcome for society overall, such as the free market, rather than relying on some fanciful belief that people's natural behaviour can be changed, like what most left wing ideas seem to rely on

[cadete]

 

 

Clearly I was just fucking around with my other post.But it is astounding how many Labor politicians are linked with criminal activity. Obviously there are dodgy cunts on either side of politics but it appears to be far worse in the Labor party. Most seem to come from a union background as well.

Obviously there is a place for unions, to an extent, but it's pretty clear that there are certain large unions which are basically criminal organisations.

Inb4 BH points out that you could not pick a worse time to make such a point... 

 

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2014/s4067431.htm

Even with that, I still know of a lot more Labor politicians linked to illegal activities than Liberal ones.

Really, all this does is further prove that people will always act in self interest, and we should further embrace systems that turn each individuals self interest into a positive outcome for society overall, such as the free market, rather than relying on some fanciful belief that people's natural behaviour can be changed, like what most left wing ideas seem to rely on

 

I def agree there...

 

I never understood how Socialists who are so bitterly frustrated with the actions of their political opponents actions that they spend most of their time calling people "kents" at pointless protests and on social media can still have such an idealistic view on humanity. 

 

A quick look at history will show you no matter what the time or place you will always have a bunch of "kents" hanging around.

 

Its like they don't realise that the Cadete's of this world are not going to stop being Catholic and Liberal just because the system of government has become Socialist. (Of course maybe some of them might be simply planning to kill me straight after the Revolution but it doesn't alter my point about Human Nature).

Edited August 22, 2014 by cadete

[marteaux]

Essay question 4 uni

"Should every nation have it's own state?"

Just fleshing out arguments for and against, anyone care to help ?

[n i k o]

It's against what the United Nations wants so that's one positive

[cadete]

[malloy]

So the people who complain about force being used to remove them from an area when they are undertaking unlawful behaviour, have now use force on those who behave in a lawful manner.

Leftards

[HeartFc]

Yes but liberal debt went up from 53 to 55 in 1 year.

Edited August 28, 2014 by HeartFc

[cadete]

So the people who complain about force being used to remove them from an area when they are undertaking unlawful behaviour, have now use force on those who behave in a lawful manner.

Leftards

These PPL really do some great work for re-electing the Libs...

Keep it up lads: You get the attention that you have so desperately seeked since u were ignored in high school and the Conservatives will pick up the votes so u can keep getting your ugly mugs on TV.

It really is a Win - Win Situation.

[DutchPride]

TRAINS NOT TOLL ROADS HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[hedaik]

So the people who complain about force being used to remove them from an area when they are undertaking unlawful behaviour, have now use force on those who behave in a lawful manner.

Leftards

 

At least they didn't ruin my Imperial experience this time

[Tesla]

With the budget measures struggling to get through and where I see the economy being right now, the coalition's debt levels are going to start looking bad too.

Will be interesting to see what the Q2 gdp data has to say next week. My current assessment of the economy is "it's fucked", so I expect the data to reflect that.

Honestly, Rudd & co should have just let a recession happen, we'd probably be bouncing back from it by now and we wouldn't have accrued so much debt fighting it. Instead we got a few years of slow growth, huge debt, and we may very well be on the way to recession regardless.

[KSK_47]

The only reason they are keeping their head above water is because they are not spending any money at all. Even on things like staples and paper. Plus they are chopping entire departments and transferring their work load to others (who are still expected to do their same work load too).

Tesla is right. The economy is completely fucked. It doesn't matter who is in charge. It's fucked. They can make their graphs and stats look like things are OK if they want but it's only a matter of time before the house of cards collapses.

[malloy]

The only reason they are keeping their head above water is because they are not spending any money at all. Even on things like staples and paper. Plus they are chopping entire departments and transferring their work load to others (who are still expected to do their same work load too).

Tesla is right. The economy is completely fucked. It doesn't matter who is in charge. It's fucked. They can make their graphs and stats look like things are OK if they want but it's only a matter of time before the house of cards collapses.

 

 

I 100% agree, but it would be stupid to keep spending like labor were. If you are broke, you cut back on spending not borrow more to try and keep living a lavish lifestyle.

[KSK_47]

I firmly believe both parties are just as inept as each other. When you are running a business and your figures are dipping you certainly need to be a bit smarter about your spending. But at the same time you also need to spend money in areas that will make you money back in long run. Things like education, health care, etc are the things that (if you are patient) will a pay off and build strong economic country.

Right now it's just a passing comp. Between the two parties. Neither one is looking at what's best for building the country they are just trying to get one over their rivals.

Edited August 30, 2014 by KSK_47

[jw1739]

I firmly believe both parties are just as inept as each other. When you are running a business and your figures are dipping you certainly need to be a bit smarter about your spending. But at the same time you also need to spend money in areas that will make you money back in long run. Things like education, health care, etc are the things that (if you are patient) will a pay off and build strong economic country.

Right now it's just a passing comp. Between the two parties. Neither one is looking at what's best for building the country they are just trying to get one over their rivals.

Your main point is well made, but I have two points to add to this.

 

1. We should lengthen the electoral cycle to, say, 5 years. 3 years is just too short for any Commonwealth government to actually turn the ship on to a different course. An inept or minority government will fall long before its term is up, and a longer term in office is necessary for a strong government to actually turn ideas and policies into realities.

 

2. The two examples you use for spending are both bottomless buckets. I know that you named them just as examples, but overall IMO where we as a country we are letting ourselves down first and foremost is in our infrastructure development. I hadn't been back to Hong Kong in 35 years, and to be there in the past couple of weeks was an eye-opener to see how far that  place has come in terms of development over that time.

[Shahanga]

Agree with you on longer terms jw.  In addition I would like to see the Senate abolished (the senate was established to represent the states, but never has; instead the state parliaments represent the states, which is fine and the senate is full of party hacks, which isn't fine).  With no senate the government could do what they saw fit.  If it went well we'd all vote them back in.  If it went badly, we'd kick them out; but they would have the opportunity to advance their agenda.

[xXJawsaXx]

 

2. The two examples you use for spending are both bottomless buckets. I know that you named them just as examples, but overall IMO where we as a country we are letting ourselves down first and foremost is in our infrastructure development. I hadn't been back to Hong Kong in 35 years, and to be there in the past couple of weeks was an eye-opener to see how far that  place has come in terms of development over that time.

 

I agree here. For example, our public transport is way too far behind the rest of the industrialised world. I have friends who've been around Europe and all of them have said how much of a joke our public transport is in comparison.

I don't know if you'd classify it as 'infastructure' per se, but our internet is a joke, this site says it all.

http://www.netindex.com/download/allcountries/

I am not saying that the NBN was the best solution, but our internet is slower than Romania.

[hedaik]

 

 

2. The two examples you use for spending are both bottomless buckets. I know that you named them just as examples, but overall IMO where we as a country we are letting ourselves down first and foremost is in our infrastructure development. I hadn't been back to Hong Kong in 35 years, and to be there in the past couple of weeks was an eye-opener to see how far that  place has come in terms of development over that time.

 

I agree here. For example, our public transport is way too far behind the rest of the industrialised world. I have friends who've been around Europe and all of them have said how much of a joke our public transport is in comparison.

 

 

Probably because your friends are visiting the well known cities that have great systems, as far as all the cities in the world go I couldn't see our system being below average or even close to being considered a joke. Keep in mind that transport makes up 25% of the criteria for the worlds most liveable city rankings which Melbourne always is the best at. 

 

According to this site, we also have one of the largest rail and tram networks in the world.

 

http://www.ptua.org.au/melbourne/fact/

 

Melbourne has one of the largest rail systems in the world, with 15 lines. The Paris Metro is a third smaller, while San Francisco’s BART is less than half the size. We also have the biggest tram system in the English speaking world.

[xXJawsaXx]

 

 

 

2. The two examples you use for spending are both bottomless buckets. I know that you named them just as examples, but overall IMO where we as a country we are letting ourselves down first and foremost is in our infrastructure development. I hadn't been back to Hong Kong in 35 years, and to be there in the past couple of weeks was an eye-opener to see how far that  place has come in terms of development over that time.

 

I agree here. For example, our public transport is way too far behind the rest of the industrialised world. I have friends who've been around Europe and all of them have said how much of a joke our public transport is in comparison.

 

 

Probably because your friends are visiting the well known cities that have great systems, as far as all the cities in the world go I couldn't see our system being below average or even close to being considered a joke. Keep in mind that transport makes up 25% of the criteria for the worlds most liveable city rankings which Melbourne always is the best at. 

 

According to this site, we also have one of the largest rail and tram networks in the world.

 

http://www.ptua.org.au/melbourne/fact/

 

Melbourne has one of the largest rail systems in the world, with 15 lines. The Paris Metro is a third smaller, while San Francisco’s BART is less than half the size. We also have the biggest tram system in the English speaking world.

 

I'll admit, I am just going by their word, but I still think there are ways in which we can improve. Besides, I don't think that size equals quality in regards to trains.

I will admit though, that trams are a godsend and something that makes my trips to the city far easier.

[Dylan]

2. The two examples you use for spending are both bottomless buckets. I know that you named them just as examples, but overall IMO where we as a country we are letting ourselves down first and foremost is in our infrastructure development. I hadn't been back to Hong Kong in 35 years, and to be there in the past couple of weeks was an eye-opener to see how far that place has come in terms of development over that time.

I agree here. For example, our public transport is way too far behind the rest of the industrialised world. I have friends who've been around Europe and all of them have said how much of a joke our public transport is in comparison.

Probably because your friends are visiting the well known cities that have great systems, as far as all the cities in the world go I couldn't see our system being below average or even close to being considered a joke. Keep in mind that transport makes up 25% of the criteria for the worlds most liveable city rankings which Melbourne always is the best at.

According to this site, we also have one of the largest rail and tram networks in the world.

http://www.ptua.org.au/melbourne/fact/

Melbourne has one of the largest rail systems in the world, with 15 lines. The Paris Metro is a third smaller, while San Francisco’s BART is less than half the size. We also have the biggest tram system in the English speaking world.

I'll admit, I am just going by their word, but I still think there are ways in which we can improve. Besides, I don't think that size equals quality in regards to trains.

I will admit though, that trams are a godsend and something that makes my trips to the city far easier.

Melbourne has a big handicap in that geographically it's huge. I think it's close to being the biggest in the world. Maybe in the top 5. Since Melbourne keeps growing outwards this means to have a public transport that is like a European city it's going to cost a hell of a lot more to have an equivalent service.

Oh and we definitly have the biggest tram network. Not sure about the rail network