John Aloisi

[jw1739]

 

Thats it in a nutshell.  

 

Unfortunately the Board won't sack itself and the players can't be sacked, so Aloisi is gonna cop it all on their behalf.

 

But that's reality. Doesn't matter whether it's football or any other business or industry. Senior management always carries the blame. Don't forget, though, that they always get the credit for success.

 

Do you see the board of MV being praised because AP is now managing the national team? Or the owners of CCM because Arnie has won a gig in Japan?

 

If we were top of the league no-one would be crediting Sidwell.

Edited November 16, 2013 by jw1739

[belaguttman]

 

 

 

Felt disgusted by the "sacked in the morning" chants tbh.

I am usually against stuff like this, however the club and Aloisi need a dose of reality. We the fans are not going to put up with this. It is unacceptable.

I'm all for giving the club a dose of reality. I don't believe in belittling the coach like that though.

Chants like that don't do anything but make the terrace look petulant and that we have a simplistic grasp of the issue

As I've said elsewhere, Aloisi is not just at fault here. The board must take blame for appointing him and the players must take blame for the results aswell. Supporters shouldn't be mad at aloisi, we should be mad at almost everyone at the club for getting us to where we are right now.

 

 

Well if you have read the media this morning our chanting and the sign has made headlines throughout the country, which all puts pressure on to the club to make a change. It doesn't mean we are petulant, petulant would have been chanting after 7 games in charge. We have been more than patient with this guy and any other club throughout the world would have torn Aloisi to shreds. So instead of sitting there and clapping the team off at full time and 'waiting for things to turn around' I will chant Aloisi Out until my throat is sore, which it is today. 

 

What we should be chanting is 'we need new franchise owners'

[Heart Inaugural]

As I've said elsewhere, I don't see this as just a coach issue. The board must take blame for appointing him and the players must take blame for the results aswell. Supporters shouldn't be mad at aloisi, we should be mad at almost everyone at the club for getting us to where we are right now.

 

+ 1

 

Didulica's recommendation for the JA appointment was ridiculous. How he gave the nod to a completely (literally, completely) senior-inexperienced Aloisi over Milicic was farcical. Hope that people realise how JA has been thrown into this situation (admittedly volunteering for the gig) by the football department and despite trying his inept best, has been found out.

[Defibrillator]

The damage being done atm by JA is like Melbourne demons football club like. Really scared for the future of heart atm.

The above made me chuckle. At the game last night I received a text from a mate who is a rusted on Demons fan. He asked if he could come along with me to the next game as he expects us to be so bad it would cheer him up!! Sometimes all you can do is laugh.

[Torn Asunder]

The board are all supposedly savvy business men ... I wonder why in all reality they took such a risk with JA. The following is a business related abstract which I'm sure they would be aware of in terms of hiring corporately ... Maybe better due diligence will be practiced in going forward

"Hiring the wrong employee obviously has many costs and calculating the complete cost is near impossible. Unfortunately, the costs are felt throughout the company directly and indirecly. What can you do to avoid hiring the wrong employee?

Strategically Decide to Improve Job Match - The first step to improving your Job Match is to strategically and consciously decide to raise the bar as a team and organization. Purposefully review past hires that were not a good job match and ask yourself, "What did each poor hiring decision cost us?" When you consciously do so, you will improve your "Job Match Mindset" - the first step to improving your Employee Selection Process.

Do not rely on the interview - When it comes to landing a job, most candidates are incredible actors. We are not trying to imply that they are being deceitful, but rather that they will appear to be what they feel the employer is looking for in the ideal candidate. This is often not who the candidate really is and that won't become apparent for some time after he or she is already on the job and has become an emotional part of your team. (sounds very familiar)

Hire for the long term - While a new hire must be logical for an organization's immediate needs, hiring talent that will drive future revenue growth and profits is always advisable. Think about where you see the position fitting into the strategic plan of the organization. Use this analysis to hire the talent that fits in with the strategic plan. An employee might be a good choice for the short term, but will he or she be right for the job in three or five years?

Have a clear understanding of the position - It is far easier to hire the right talent for the job when you have a clear understanding of what success in that position entails. Benchmark the position by identifying the Key Accountabilities of the job.

Hire only the best - Certainly no organization seeks to hire sub-par workers, but often do so out of a feeling of necessity to get somebody into the job quickly. What happens in three months when the employee turns out to be a dud and the process must be started over again? Wouldn't it have been better to keep looking to hire a talented candidate for the job in the first place?

Having a talented workforce also drives revenue growth and ultimately profitability.

Match the talent to the job - Often times an organization receives applications from highly skilled and educated individuals with impeccable backgrounds. Unfortunately, they are over-qualified or do not have the exact skill set needed for successful completion of the job. Excited with the possibility of having such an individual on the team, a job offer is extended anyways. In a tight labor market this candidate is likely to accept even if he feels it isn't quite what he or she is looking for. We all have to pay the bills right! In a short while though the new employee becomes discouraged with his position, feels the work is not challenging enough, senses a lack of opportunity for upward mobility, or just doesn't like what he is doing and leaves. With a poor hiring decision such as this, both parties suffer. Don't be afraid to pass up on these employees despite your desire to have such a talented individual on your team."

Our next coach must be an outstanding candidate who IS unequivocally the head of the club in all facets of football operations. He must be a character who natural leader and who is hell bent on achieving an outcome that aligns with the founding ethos of the club.

[belaguttman]

 

As I've said elsewhere, I don't see this as just a coach issue. The board must take blame for appointing him and the players must take blame for the results aswell. Supporters shouldn't be mad at aloisi, we should be mad at almost everyone at the club for getting us to where we are right now.

 

+ 1

 

Didulica's recommendation for the JA appointment was ridiculous. How he gave the nod to a completely (literally, completely) senior-inexperienced Aloisi over Milicic was farcical. Hope that people realise how JA has been thrown into this situation (admittedly volunteering for the gig) by the football department and despite trying his inept best, has been found out.

 

Agree, Aloisi needs to go, not as punishment, but because he doesn't have the solutions to turn around this situation and his persistence in the job (and he won't give up, he'll persist so he'll have to be sacked) is not good for his future coaching career.

[belaguttman]

The board are all supposedly savvy business men ... I wonder why in all reality they took such a risk with JA. The following is a business related abstract which I'm sure they would be aware of in terms of hiring corporately ... Maybe better due diligence will be practiced in going forward

"Hiring the wrong employee obviously has many costs and calculating the complete cost is near impossible. Unfortunately, the costs are felt throughout the company directly and indirecly. What can you do to avoid hiring the wrong employee?

Strategically Decide to Improve Job Match - The first step to improving your Job Match is to strategically and consciously decide to raise the bar as a team and organization. Purposefully review past hires that were not a good job match and ask yourself, "What did each poor hiring decision cost us?" When you consciously do so, you will improve your "Job Match Mindset" - the first step to improving your Employee Selection Process.

Do not rely on the interview - When it comes to landing a job, most candidates are incredible actors. We are not trying to imply that they are being deceitful, but rather that they will appear to be what they feel the employer is looking for in the ideal candidate. This is often not who the candidate really is and that won't become apparent for some time after he or she is already on the job and has become an emotional part of your team. (sounds very familiar)

Hire for the long term - While a new hire must be logical for an organization's immediate needs, hiring talent that will drive future revenue growth and profits is always advisable. Think about where you see the position fitting into the strategic plan of the organization. Use this analysis to hire the talent that fits in with the strategic plan. An employee might be a good choice for the short term, but will he or she be right for the job in three or five years?

Have a clear understanding of the position - It is far easier to hire the right talent for the job when you have a clear understanding of what success in that position entails. Benchmark the position by identifying the Key Accountabilities of the job.

Hire only the best - Certainly no organization seeks to hire sub-par workers, but often do so out of a feeling of necessity to get somebody into the job quickly. What happens in three months when the employee turns out to be a dud and the process must be started over again? Wouldn't it have been better to keep looking to hire a talented candidate for the job in the first place?

Having a talented workforce also drives revenue growth and ultimately profitability.

Match the talent to the job - Often times an organization receives applications from highly skilled and educated individuals with impeccable backgrounds. Unfortunately, they are over-qualified or do not have the exact skill set needed for successful completion of the job. Excited with the possibility of having such an individual on the team, a job offer is extended anyways. In a tight labor market this candidate is likely to accept even if he feels it isn't quite what he or she is looking for. We all have to pay the bills right! In a short while though the new employee becomes discouraged with his position, feels the work is not challenging enough, senses a lack of opportunity for upward mobility, or just doesn't like what he is doing and leaves. With a poor hiring decision such as this, both parties suffer. Don't be afraid to pass up on these employees despite your desire to have such a talented individual on your team."

Our next coach must be an outstanding candidate who IS unequivocally the head of the club in all facets of football operations. He must be a character who natural leader and who is hell bent on achieving an outcome that aligns with the founding ethos of the club.

Agree but the next suitable coach will cost a lot more money than the amount the present Board can't afford to pay to sack Aloisi

[malloy]

 

The board are all supposedly savvy business men ... I wonder why in all reality they took such a risk with JA. The following is a business related abstract which I'm sure they would be aware of in terms of hiring corporately ... Maybe better due diligence will be practiced in going forward

"Hiring the wrong employee obviously has many costs and calculating the complete cost is near impossible. Unfortunately, the costs are felt throughout the company directly and indirecly. What can you do to avoid hiring the wrong employee?

Strategically Decide to Improve Job Match - The first step to improving your Job Match is to strategically and consciously decide to raise the bar as a team and organization. Purposefully review past hires that were not a good job match and ask yourself, "What did each poor hiring decision cost us?" When you consciously do so, you will improve your "Job Match Mindset" - the first step to improving your Employee Selection Process.

Do not rely on the interview - When it comes to landing a job, most candidates are incredible actors. We are not trying to imply that they are being deceitful, but rather that they will appear to be what they feel the employer is looking for in the ideal candidate. This is often not who the candidate really is and that won't become apparent for some time after he or she is already on the job and has become an emotional part of your team. (sounds very familiar)

Hire for the long term - While a new hire must be logical for an organization's immediate needs, hiring talent that will drive future revenue growth and profits is always advisable. Think about where you see the position fitting into the strategic plan of the organization. Use this analysis to hire the talent that fits in with the strategic plan. An employee might be a good choice for the short term, but will he or she be right for the job in three or five years?

Have a clear understanding of the position - It is far easier to hire the right talent for the job when you have a clear understanding of what success in that position entails. Benchmark the position by identifying the Key Accountabilities of the job.

Hire only the best - Certainly no organization seeks to hire sub-par workers, but often do so out of a feeling of necessity to get somebody into the job quickly. What happens in three months when the employee turns out to be a dud and the process must be started over again? Wouldn't it have been better to keep looking to hire a talented candidate for the job in the first place?

Having a talented workforce also drives revenue growth and ultimately profitability.

Match the talent to the job - Often times an organization receives applications from highly skilled and educated individuals with impeccable backgrounds. Unfortunately, they are over-qualified or do not have the exact skill set needed for successful completion of the job. Excited with the possibility of having such an individual on the team, a job offer is extended anyways. In a tight labor market this candidate is likely to accept even if he feels it isn't quite what he or she is looking for. We all have to pay the bills right! In a short while though the new employee becomes discouraged with his position, feels the work is not challenging enough, senses a lack of opportunity for upward mobility, or just doesn't like what he is doing and leaves. With a poor hiring decision such as this, both parties suffer. Don't be afraid to pass up on these employees despite your desire to have such a talented individual on your team."

Our next coach must be an outstanding candidate who IS unequivocally the head of the club in all facets of football operations. He must be a character who natural leader and who is hell bent on achieving an outcome that aligns with the founding ethos of the club.

Agree but the next suitable coach will cost a lot more money than the amount the present Board can't afford to pay to sack Aloisi

 

 

 

Can the board afford not to bring in a new coach who will give the team success?

[belaguttman]

 

 

The board are all supposedly savvy business men ... I wonder why in all reality they took such a risk with JA. The following is a business related abstract which I'm sure they would be aware of in terms of hiring corporately ... Maybe better due diligence will be practiced in going forward

"Hiring the wrong employee obviously has many costs and calculating the complete cost is near impossible. Unfortunately, the costs are felt throughout the company directly and indirecly. What can you do to avoid hiring the wrong employee?

Strategically Decide to Improve Job Match - The first step to improving your Job Match is to strategically and consciously decide to raise the bar as a team and organization. Purposefully review past hires that were not a good job match and ask yourself, "What did each poor hiring decision cost us?" When you consciously do so, you will improve your "Job Match Mindset" - the first step to improving your Employee Selection Process.

Do not rely on the interview - When it comes to landing a job, most candidates are incredible actors. We are not trying to imply that they are being deceitful, but rather that they will appear to be what they feel the employer is looking for in the ideal candidate. This is often not who the candidate really is and that won't become apparent for some time after he or she is already on the job and has become an emotional part of your team. (sounds very familiar)

Hire for the long term - While a new hire must be logical for an organization's immediate needs, hiring talent that will drive future revenue growth and profits is always advisable. Think about where you see the position fitting into the strategic plan of the organization. Use this analysis to hire the talent that fits in with the strategic plan. An employee might be a good choice for the short term, but will he or she be right for the job in three or five years?

Have a clear understanding of the position - It is far easier to hire the right talent for the job when you have a clear understanding of what success in that position entails. Benchmark the position by identifying the Key Accountabilities of the job.

Hire only the best - Certainly no organization seeks to hire sub-par workers, but often do so out of a feeling of necessity to get somebody into the job quickly. What happens in three months when the employee turns out to be a dud and the process must be started over again? Wouldn't it have been better to keep looking to hire a talented candidate for the job in the first place?

Having a talented workforce also drives revenue growth and ultimately profitability.

Match the talent to the job - Often times an organization receives applications from highly skilled and educated individuals with impeccable backgrounds. Unfortunately, they are over-qualified or do not have the exact skill set needed for successful completion of the job. Excited with the possibility of having such an individual on the team, a job offer is extended anyways. In a tight labor market this candidate is likely to accept even if he feels it isn't quite what he or she is looking for. We all have to pay the bills right! In a short while though the new employee becomes discouraged with his position, feels the work is not challenging enough, senses a lack of opportunity for upward mobility, or just doesn't like what he is doing and leaves. With a poor hiring decision such as this, both parties suffer. Don't be afraid to pass up on these employees despite your desire to have such a talented individual on your team."

Our next coach must be an outstanding candidate who IS unequivocally the head of the club in all facets of football operations. He must be a character who natural leader and who is hell bent on achieving an outcome that aligns with the founding ethos of the club.

Agree but the next suitable coach will cost a lot more money than the amount the present Board can't afford to pay to sack Aloisi

 

 

 

Can the board afford not to bring in a new coach who will give the team success?

 

If they can't afford the payout required to sack the existing coach, the only new coach they could afford would be a work experience student

[Torn Asunder]

Keep JA on the books as the striker's technical coach and keep Foxe as the Defensive technical coach. Let them both be involved with the youth squad - then no payout and they can still be developed up with coaching experience.

The board ultimately made the hiring mistake and as such, they need to find the money to bring in a good coach otherwise it will cost them more in the long run ... mistakes cost

[Tesla]

I've seen more than enough now. Apologies and kudos to the guys who called it earlier.

I won't abuse him, he seems like a "good bloke", but he should not be managing our football club.

Our loyal fans deserve better from this club. Disgusted.

Apology not accepted. It's idiots like you who have lead to JA staying in a job this long. If the majority of the fans turned when it first became obvious JA had no managerial ability, our club would be doing so much better right now. You've let your club down.

[LR9]

"#SackSidwell' TBH

 

It's ALL on him

 

Aloisi was pushed in to it when he wasn't ready, and has probably fucked his managerial career for good, but it's not directly his fault we're in this mess. 

 

Sidwell was the one who chose to go against the advice of his backroom staff, ceo and fellow board members.

 

Look at as now, pal 

[belaguttman]

"#SackSidwell' TBH

 

It's ALL on him

 

Aloisi was pushed in to it when he wasn't ready, and has probably fucked his managerial career for good, but it's not directly his fault we're in this mess. 

 

Sidwell was the one who chose to go against the advice of his backroom staff, ceo and fellow board members.

 

Look at as now, pal 

I think that we need to avoid scapegoating and look for viable solutions. We can't say 'sack Munn' then 'sack JD' for recommending JA, then suggest 'sack Sidwell' for ignoring advice (presumably from SM and/or JD and hiring JA! It doesn't matter who hired him, nobody is immune from making mistakes, what is important in how they are corrected. Remove JA as he doesn't appear to have viable solutions, if the Board don't have solutions or money to pay for solutions then they need to sell to a group that does. If there isn't a group then FFA need to step in as they readily would if Heart were based in Sydney. It needs to happen before the values of the club are totally trashed.

[RoyalHeart]

I think it is fair to say that it isn't all one individual's fault e.g. Sidwell, Didulica but pretty much everyones fault. BUT most of the blame should go on Aloisi as he is the one who makes the decisions on game day and that is where we are struggling the most. That may sound confusing so in simple terms our position at the moment is the fault of the board and the football operations team but most of the blame should be on Aloisi. 

[n i k o]

Some very careful decisions need to be made by the club from here on in. There was no chance they were going to make a quick and rash decision the day after the game and get rid of aloisi. Bad decisions have led us to this and rushing into one is not the answer. JA does have to go, but realistically will play out next weeks game, unless van ship or nus jump in temporarily. I'm guessing he will still be there next week while the dust settles and then they will make their decision.

[jw1739]

Keep JA on the books as the striker's technical coach and keep Foxe as the Defensive technical coach. Let them both be involved with the youth squad - then no payout and they can still be developed up with coaching experience.

The board ultimately made the hiring mistake and as such, they need to find the money to bring in a good coach otherwise it will cost them more in the long run ... mistakes cost

I agree. This is the obvious way to go.

 

As for money - it is always available at a price. Bring in some new investors. Football clubs all over the world are turning to billionaires to stay afloat.

[Caddy]

I've seen more than enough now. Apologies and kudos to the guys who called it earlier.I won't abuse him, he seems like a "good bloke", but he should not be managing our football club.Our loyal fans deserve better from this club. Disgusted.

Apology not accepted. It's idiots like you who have lead to JA staying in a job this long. If the majority of the fans turned when it first became obvious JA had no managerial ability, our club would be doing so much better right now. You've let your club down.

If idiots like me didn't have some degree in faith in Aloisi, then we would not have had the great membership numbers leading into the season and the much improved crowd numbers of the first few weeks; the club would be in an even more dire situation. Idiots like me who go to games and support the club through thick and thin and bring in new members keep the club afloat.

You chose to make your call earlier on less evidence. It turned out to be correct. Congrats on that, make sure you say "I told you so" at every opportunity because that's definitely what we need right now.

[MUTD/MLBHRT/ESSNDON]

Tesla love your comments... But a bit harsh on caddy.

[FB.]

 

 

 

 

 

Felt disgusted by the "sacked in the morning" chants tbh.

I am usually against stuff like this, however the club and Aloisi need a dose of reality. We the fans are not going to put up with this. It is unacceptable.

I'm all for giving the club a dose of reality. I don't believe in belittling the coach like that though.

Chants like that don't do anything but make the terrace look petulant and that we have a simplistic grasp of the issue

As I've said elsewhere, Aloisi is not just at fault here. The board must take blame for appointing him and the players must take blame for the results aswell. Supporters shouldn't be mad at aloisi, we should be mad at almost everyone at the club for getting us to where we are right now.

 

 

Well if you have read the media this morning our chanting and the sign has made headlines throughout the country, which all puts pressure on to the club to make a change. It doesn't mean we are petulant, petulant would have been chanting after 7 games in charge. We have been more than patient with this guy and any other club throughout the world would have torn Aloisi to shreds. So instead of sitting there and clapping the team off at full time and 'waiting for things to turn around' I will chant Aloisi Out until my throat is sore, which it is today. 

 

 

 

 

My point is that Sidwell and co. were behind his signing and they should be copping as much blame from supporters, as should the players, as Aloisi is now.

 

 

Thats it in a nutshell.  

 

Unfortunately the Board won't sack itself and the players can't be sacked, so Aloisi is gonna cop it all on their behalf.

 

 

 

 

Thats it in a nutshell.  

 

Unfortunately the Board won't sack itself and the players can't be sacked, so Aloisi is gonna cop it all on their behalf.

 

But that's reality. Doesn't matter whether it's football or any other business or industry. Senior management always carries the blame. Don't forget, though, that they always get the credit for success.

 

Do you see the board of MV being praised because AP is now managing the national team? Or the owners of CCM because Arnie has won a gig in Japan?

 

If we were top of the league no-one would be crediting Sidwell.

 

 

That's not correct.

 

Owners get praised or lambasted all the time depending on their club's successes or failures.

 

Look at Abramovich, Agnelli, Berlusconi, Moratti, Glazer, Tapie and how they have been judged in the media. I could go on.

 

As for the board not sacking itself, there's been a number of instances overseas where board members or club owners have resigned or sold off their shares when faced with immense pressure from their club's supporters. It does happen.

 

To be absolving Sidwell and co. from blame here is ludicrous.

Edited November 16, 2013 by FB.

[Heart_fan]

Its all just a massive mess that I really can't see a solution for this year.

 

The decision making process to select a coach was lacking any logic, so that now takes in the board and the football department.

 

Look, I too feel for JA. He is giving it his all, but its not enough. With 21 rounds to go, SOMETHING has to change, or our crowds will be at all time lows. I for one can't even consider going to the next home match at this stage as I am that frustrated.

 

I am almost in the mindset that I just take a break until I see progress, which would lose me money for my membership, but at the same time I realise how damaging such a viewpoint is if everyone took that approach.

 

I want this club to succeed, but whoever is making the decisions has to step up and take their medicine. Atleast if we all saw that, we would have confidence that it will improve. At this point it almost sounds like the club thinks nothing is wrong, or can't take action to fix it. Thats a concern.

Edited November 16, 2013 by Heart_fan

[johnno cpfc]

I Side with the Rutherglen Rambler, I am a FOUNDER member and i just love football but last nights debacle was disgusting. It was like watching a( and  i use the word team very loosely, )of school boys playing a team of real footballers. It was pathetic to see players continually Ball watching waiting for passes instead of moving their sorry arses to get the ball, it was pathetic in the extreme. Oh and by the way i am 74 years of age so not a child or even a teenager and i fully support the feelings against JA he has failed to impress both the players and the fans both last year and this year, Something needs changing and bloody quickly or i for one will not be renewing my membership next season. Next home crowd will DEFINITELY be down and if the current trend continues we will be lucky to have 2000 at that game and attendances will quickly downward spiral. Idid something i have never done before Last night i walked out 10 mins before the end i was so disgusted by a complete LACK of HEART.

[belaguttman]

The decision makers are taking the responsibility for their decision, it's the Board's money, they are wasting it.

[Heart_fan]

I Side with the Rutherglen Rambler, I am a FOUNDER member and i just love football but last nights debacle was disgusting. It was like watching a( and  i use the word team very loosely, )of school boys playing a team of real footballers. It was pathetic to see players continually Ball watching waiting for passes instead of moving their sorry arses to get the ball, it was pathetic in the extreme. Oh and by the way i am 74 years of age so not a child or even a teenager and i fully support the feelings against JA he has failed to impress both the players and the fans both last year and this year, Something needs changing and bloody quickly or i for one will not be renewing my membership next season. Next home crowd will DEFINITELY be down and if the current trend continues we will be lucky to have 2000 at that game and attendances will quickly downward spiral. Idid something i have never done before Last night i walked out 10 mins before the end i was so disgusted by a complete LACK of HEART.

 

I don't blame you.

 

I was also sitting there on the verge a few times of just walking out. No idea why I didn't just do it really.

 

If a 3rd goal had of gone in, I had the feeling half the stadium would have left though. It was just that bad. Was just anger.

 

The club needs to change now..... Just do it.

[johnno cpfc]

The decision makers are taking the responsibility for their decision, it's the Board's money, they are wasting it.

Bela whilst it may be construed to be the boards money it also means that they are wasting our membership money that some of us have contributed to the club coffers. I not only had to find my membership fees but also a fairly costly sum each and every time i want to attend a game as i have to travel 300kms to home games and arrange accommodation for two people. If this weeks Lack of effort is to continue i will definitely be cutting back my attendance not only this season but next season as well. It is all very well covering for the management of this club but some consideration should be given to us loyal Fans.

Edited November 16, 2013 by johnno cpfc

[belaguttman]

 

The decision makers are taking the responsibility for their decision, it's the Board's money, they are wasting it.

Bela whilst it may be construed to be the boards money it also means that they are wasting our membership money that some of us have contributed to the club coffers. I not only had to find my membership fees but also a fairly costly sum each and every time i want to attend a game as i have to travel 300kms to home games and arrange accommodation for two people. If this weeks Lack of effort is to continue i will definitely be cutting back my attendance not only this season but next season as well. It is all very well covering for the management of this club but some consideration should be given to us loyal Fans.

 

I agree john, we organise our whole summer around home games so we all make a large time and emotional investment as well as a financial investment. I can't understand why the board owners would want to invest any money for this level of return (zero)

[Heart_fan]

 

The decision makers are taking the responsibility for their decision, it's the Board's money, they are wasting it.

Bela whilst it may be construed to be the boards money it also means that they are wasting our membership money that some of us have contributed to the club coffers. I not only had to find my membership fees but also a fairly costly sum each and every time i want to attend a game as i have to travel 300kms to home games and arrange accommodation for two people. If this weeks Lack of effort is to continue i will definitely be cutting back my attendance not only this season but next season as well. It is all very well covering for the management of this club but some consideration should be given to us loyal Fans.

 

 

Thats great dedication on your part each week. Great work.

 

Club... are you listening?? ..... * silence*

[Tesla]

I've seen more than enough now. Apologies and kudos to the guys who called it earlier.I won't abuse him, he seems like a "good bloke", but he should not be managing our football club.Our loyal fans deserve better from this club. Disgusted.

Apology not accepted. It's idiots like you who have lead to JA staying in a job this long. If the majority of the fans turned when it first became obvious JA had no managerial ability, our club would be doing so much better right now. You've let your club down.

If idiots like me didn't have some degree in faith in Aloisi, then we would not have had the great membership numbers leading into the season and the much improved crowd numbers of the first few weeks; the club would be in an even more dire situation. Idiots like me who go to games and support the club through thick and thin and bring in new members keep the club afloat.

You chose to make your call earlier on less evidence. It turned out to be correct. Congrats on that, make sure you say "I told you so" at every opportunity because that's definitely what we need right now.

There are many people I know that still went to games even though they had no faith in JA, so I really don't understand your argument about supporting the club through thick and thin, we have all been doing that, regardless of our opinion on JA.

Anyway, what matters is that the majority of fans have finally turned on JA, I know some people don't approve, but I really don't see a problem with making it clear that we no longer want JA managing our team. I was actually surprised at how many people participated in the anti-JA sentiments, really shows how frustrated everyone is with the situation.

I just hope he is sacked before he goes and gets a lucky win which buys him another 3 months of poor performances.

[Murfy1]

I think it was appropriate to take some time before deciding that Aloisi shouldn't coach Heart, rather than just deciding early on that he shouldn't coach Heart for whatever reason, because:

 

- It is very difficult to judge potential. How good can a coach be, and how long will it take him or her to become pretty good? Those are not easy questions to answer. Postecoglou and Arnold both took a lot of time to become quality coaches, whilst Popovic needed comparatively little time to become a good coach. Given how difficult it is to answer those questions, people shouldn't judge coaches too hastily.

 

- Also, this could be it for Aloisi as a professional coach in Australia. He might never get another chance. He might only be able to coach semi-professional state league sides for the rest of his days. So, given how significant this decision could be for a respectable guy who is clearly trying his utmost, people shouldn't be deciding lightly that Aloisi has to go.

 

I think enough time has passed, and enough games have been played, for people to fairly decide that things clearly aren't working at Heart with Aloisi as head coach.

[mulhollanddrive]

I still can't get an answer as to why he was appointed in the first place.   Either that or I'm in denial about marketability, cheapness and being already employed by the club as key selection criteria.

[n i k o]

There's only a handful of managers I'd actually go watch simply because they're coaching and aloisi ain't one of them.

[MaliMate]

Aloisi's coaching record at A-League Level:

P: 33

W: 8

D: 5

L: 20

GF: 33

GA: 49

5/33 clean sheets 15%

13/33 without scoring 39%

[SF33]

This is my second year as a Heart member. I went to a few Heart games before that and also a few Victory games (all my friends that care about the A-League are Victory members), but I really didn't have more than a passing interest in the A-League before that.

 

Now...

 

The issue with that and the whole 'Keep turning up; stand by the club etc.' and the comparisons with where MH is now to the Melbourne FC is that, besides my money and too many ruined weekends (the big positive with these Friday night fixtures by the way), I haven't invested enough in the club to be heartbroken if they die. A lot of Melbourne FC supporters have seen their club not only win a premiership, but dominate the league for several years (theres is a very old supporter base). As a minimum, they can remember their club making it through to 1-2 grand finals. But, if Heart was to die, I'd be pretty ambivalent, because there's practically no good memories to be lost. The bad moments outnumber the good at least 10-1, since I've signed up.

 

Don't worry, I'll still go to the home games. But if the person sitting next to me was in an identical position, I wouldn't blame them for pulling the pin. That's the thing that kind of concerns me right now, and that should definitely concern the club: that if the 2013/14 season continues to follow this path, at the moment I don't really care where they are five years from now. If they go out of existence, well, maybe they deserve to.

[RedAndWhiteSoldier]

what SF33 said. there's a few points to agree with sadly...

[TheGaffer]

Foundation member who reluctantly joined again this year after being convinced by others in our match day group.

As a whole we all agreed this will be the final season of our membership, which is in total about just under $6k for 10 of us, unless the club turned things around on the field.

So far my initial fears have been realised as the team has gone from bad to worse. I hate to keep bringing up the statistics but 15 games, no wins and 6 goals scored. Last win 9 months ago and the next one could be another 9 months away.

Excuses about injuries are wearing thin. Basing the whole team structure around Engelaar and Kewell shows the football department is clueless and the board incompetent in trusting them.

[Tesla]

We may have won but Aloisi is still bad and needs to be sacked.

Thread stickied for importance.

 

 

ugh no

 

 

Unsticky the fred u knob.

edit: and the other one too.

 

 

oh man, making these sack threads a sticky is embarrassing and making this forum unusable. Nowhere in the world have I seen this other than maybe the Victory forum..

Yes be critical and we are all frustrated with ongoing problems but at the end of the day let's support the club and the boys.

 

 

sack tesla

 

 

Yes be critical and we are all frustrated with ongoing problems but at the end of the day let's support the club and the boys.

Shit attitude, 'supporters' like you who accept mediocrity are a curse on our club. Aloisi getting sacked will be for the best of the club, and a true supporter would want that.

 

 

I want some stability to the club, because I am a true supporter and want the club to survive rather than to look like a joke and be unable to attract new fans, which is how Victory looked last season

That means i don't want him sacked after only 10 games.

 

 

Shit attitude, 'supporters' like you who accept mediocrity are a curse on our club. Aloisi getting sacked will be for the best of the club, and a true supporter would want that.

I disagree Tesla. I think that he will be a good coach for the club, wait until we have a full list to choose from before you judge him. He's made mistakes and will make more, that makes him the same as every other coach. We should be looking to see how quickly he learns from them. He's in a bit of a bind because it's pretty hard to drop under-performing players when the list is so thin.

[Herman Cain]

Not sure if you're good at making predictions, or just the only one who bothers to go back and quote their own posts to make themselves look good.

[Parrot]

True supporters of a club sign up whether or not the club is winning. Otherwise you are just a bandwagon jumper. Jump on the bandwagon when all is well. Then jump off when the club is losing. That is NOT a true supporter or a true member.

 

Saying that, Heart were dismal on Friday night. I cannot remember a more pathetic display at home.

 

Has John Aloisi lost the playing group?
 

The 2-0 loss flatters.  6-0 was more the true story of the game.

 

Heart's game was based on long ball "football."

 

Plus there were any number of players who were dismal or just switched off. Look at Behich for the Chianese goal. Minding no one and basically let Chianese stroll in to score. His play since coming back from overseas does not justify a starting 11 position. But the same can be said of plenty of other Heart players.
 

As we know, John Aloisi as head coach has to take responsibility for Heart's pathetic play.  2 points from Heart's last 11 A League games is just NOT ON.
 

It's a pity there's no relegation, because if there was action might have already been taken by the club.  

 

 

[alexandro]

 

Club has appointed someone to oversee the JA show and has given him 6 games to get it right.

The start of next season is going to be very interesting. If Heart don't win one of their first three away games he should go. The derby does not count. 

 

This was based on us winning home games in the first few games. He should be gone already. 

[Heart4Life]

Don't know what you guys are complaining about tbh. Aloisi is a tactual genius. Brings in two players in Mifsud and Ramsey (1.65m and 1.8m) and uses a front 3 with no aerial ability. Then decides to play long balls all day long. No wonder we can't score a goal.

[AJB45T4RD]

I was suprised of the ages of these guys. Surely one of them is in his 30's! Which means we have passionate supporters of all ages!

I'm in my 30's tony999! What is surprising about someone in their 30's following Heart?

Im 36, passionate, foundation member, and stand at Yarraside every week...as do quite a few 30 somethings. Age means fuck all when we all must suffer a team with the silliest name in the league..."Heart" the team that plays with none! So, take note of the 30 somethings and their sign...sack JA now! Or some of us thirty somethings might show you what a heart really is...and drop dead from one attacking each of us! BTW: well done in standing your ground against the cops and acg flogs...if we can't voice our disdain by saying it directly, then the club is living in a fantasy world. (its not like the sign said; "Aloisi - fuck off and die!", but if thats what it takes to be noticed?)

Catch all the rest of you 30 somethings at the Adelaide game...no retreat, no surrender!