Dylan Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 This is what happens when you use sub-par facilities to run a professional football club. And I'm being very generous in saying sub-par. What is the fitness staff doing I feel like this club gets the little details wrong quite often. Well this is why they do little training at LaTrobe anymore. They moved to epping and Bulleen for this preseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstam Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Aloisi has taken over the fitness aspect this pre-season saying last year that was the reason we struggled, looks like he is doing a great job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 It's been reported by Soccer Stoppage Time that Wielaert has also succumbed to injury, rumoured to be an achilles. https://twitter.com/SocStoppageTime/status/374484066877177857 I've had a difficult day and this is the last thing that I want to read. WTF is going on? I just think there's a lack of accountability somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartinHobart Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Who the fuck is going to play CB round 1? No Gerhardt and possibly no Wielardt. When you have such a small squad, spots in the squad can't be wasted. Unfortunately heart have. Hoffman and Mitchinson are definitely wasted spots and to a certain extent McCallister is too. I'm starting to get rather worried about the upcoming season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Mitchinson is 20, he's a centre half whose been played out of position so its a bit harsh to call him a wasted spot at this stage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartinHobart Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Heart see him as and will only play him at LB. His 3rd in line for that at the moment. For me having someone 3rd in line for a specialised position is a wasted spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 I very much doubt he's been pigeon-holed just yet, its likely due to the raft of changes we had in the middle of last year that he was playing at all and as a result, he was called upon to play left back. In the youth team he's played centre half and central midfield, hardly 'specialised'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Vranks and Mitchy will get destroyed if they're the starting CB's come round one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Mitchinson is OK. Has a lot more ability than people are giving him credit for. I'd rather have him playing for me than a number of other higher-paid non-performers that we have. My concern is we have 21 signed players, of whom 4 are out of action - Engelaar, Germano, Kalmar and now Wielaert. Leaves 17 fit players. Match day squad is now 16 - 11 starters and 5 substitutes. Leaves us no room to move at all. We just don't have the required depth. Add to the mix that we're going to lose blokes such as Walker, Vranks and Garuccio for representative games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Was there a mention of how long Wielaert is out for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theresonlyonebzamora Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 hoffman will play CB before mitchinson does, sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTD/MLBHRT/ESSNDON Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 done knee ligaments could be out for a few months, just a text I got from a friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 I've been concerned since Day 1 about our high injury rate in training, and they are never minor injures. I was hoping that the move from LaTrobe would change this but I'm just as concerned. I think that we lose more games from events that occur on the training pitch than on match day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Clearly, we are severely lacking in the drug department. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannon Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 #injuryfc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 On injuries, here are the numbers (from the PFA's 2011/2012 & 2012/2013 Injury Reports): Last season (2012/2013), Heart had the 2nd worst injury rank, with players missing 67 games due to injury (Sydney was worse with 92 games). The previous season (2011/2012 or Season 7) Heart was 3rd worst (13% in the hard to read diagram below, btw), regarding the amount of games missed due to injury, which was 97 games (Gold Coast, with 128, and Perth, with 145, were worse). Last season we missed 2.5 players a round due to injury, the second worst ranking (behind Sydney at 3.4). And during the season before that (2011/2012), we missed 3.6 players per round due to injury, the 3rd worst ranking (behind Gold Coast, 4.7, and Perth, 5.4). Here's the number of injuries over the past 2 seasons, alongside the number of games missed. Heart has roughly the league average of injuries per season, but we have a higher number of games missed due to injury than other clubs, which means we either have worse injuries or slower recoveries. Heart's injuries are also some of the most expensive in the league, with Heart's injuries being the 2nd most expensive last season (2012/2013) and the 2nd most expensive the season before that (2011/2012) as well. Injuries cost Heart roughly half a million dollars a season. A lot of room for improvement. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart_fan10 Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 done knee ligaments could be out for a few months, just a text I got from a friend. if it he was out for a few months, surely the club would've posted it by now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 done knee ligaments could be out for a few months, just a text I got from a friend. if it he was out for a few months, surely the club would've posted it by now I'm hoping that this is a reference to a known previous injury 2-3 years ago and someone has dredged it up as being recent. However, the club is not noted for being transparent about injuries. (Understatement.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart_fan10 Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 also heard just now Wieleart is out for a couple of months with ligament damage Source: A guy who spoke to Joe Palatsidis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 (edited) Wielaert has a sprained ankle. Should be OK for Round 1. Source: Scott Munn, Twitter, today about 1 hr ago. Once again though, it looks as if injuries and and injury management are going to be a major factor in our chances this season. Just looking in from the outside it appears to me that this is an area where we need to get some additional expertise on board. Too many players are out for too long for us to be competitive. Edited September 3, 2013 by jw1739 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart_fan10 Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Wielaert has a sprained ankle. Should be OK for Round 1. Source: Scott Munn, Twitter, today about 1 hr ago. Once again though, it looks as if injuries and and injury management are going to be a major factor in our chances this season. Just looking in from the outside it appears to me that this is an area where we need to get some additional expertise on board. Too many players are out for too long for us to be competitive. Good news then. It's no secret that our injury management is quite poor. Engelaar's injury was a freak accident, there's not much we can do about that. But I see no reason why we shouldn't have a full squad to select from come round 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 http://www.news.com.au/sport/football/captain-kewell-will-add-spice-to-heart-victory-derby-opener/story-fndkzvnd-1226710230733 Mentions Wielaert's injury in the last line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Wielaert has a sprained ankle. Should be OK for Round 1. Source: Scott Munn, Twitter, today about 1 hr ago. Once again though, it looks as if injuries and and injury management are going to be a major factor in our chances this season. Just looking in from the outside it appears to me that this is an area where we need to get some additional expertise on board. Too many players are out for too long for us to be competitive. As we know, Scott Munn is about as reliable as Christian7... If he only has a sprained ankle he would 'definitely' be fit for round one, given that the injury occurred so many weeks ago. There is more to it, as far as I know its an achilles injury, and they are a bitch to deal with and tend to result in re-injury at some stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGaffer Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Wielaert has a sprained ankle. Should be OK for Round 1. Source: Scott Munn, Twitter, today about 1 hr ago. Once again though, it looks as if injuries and and injury management are going to be a major factor in our chances this season. Just looking in from the outside it appears to me that this is an area where we need to get some additional expertise on board. Too many players are out for too long for us to be competitive. As we know, Scott Munn is about as reliable as Christian7... If he only has a sprained ankle he would 'definitely' be fit for round one, given that the injury occurred so many weeks ago. There is more to it, as far as I know its an achilles injury, and they are a bitch to deal with and tend to result in re-injury at some stage. He would not want to come out and say that Wielaert has an achilles injury and admit the fact that BOTH his international signings could be out of action for the whole season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Rob Wielaert should be right for round 1 Question is how right is he going to be? Simply being there isn't going to cut it against the tards. Crap!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 #sackreddin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJB45T4RD Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Direct from the Dutchman's mouth, I spoke with Rob Wielaert after last nights Oakleigh game. He is confident that he will indeed be ready for round 1, he says that he is moving around easier since swelling has eased and seemed quite sure that he'll be okay come Derby time. Here's hoping that his self prognosis will be accurate. I spoke with Massimo as well, going by his tone and response it appears that Orlando's injury is as bad as we have heard...but he seems sure that Englaar will be back in time for finals providing we be competitive and make it there this season...so fingers crossed we still might see him in the Red & White again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Posted September 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 So Germano played against Oakleigh, original post updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Direct from the Dutchman's mouth, I spoke with Rob Wielaert after last nights Oakleigh game. He is confident that he will indeed be ready for round 1, he says that he is moving around easier since swelling has eased and seemed quite sure that he'll be okay come Derby time. Here's hoping that his self prognosis will be accurate. I spoke with Massimo as well, going by his tone and response it appears that Orlando's injury is as bad as we have heard...but he seems sure that Englaar will be back in time for finals providing we be competitive and make it there this season...so fingers crossed we still might see him in the Red & White again. Does anyone know what happen to Wielart? Surely there must be more to his injury than a rolled ankle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Direct from the Dutchman's mouth, I spoke with Rob Wielaert after last nights Oakleigh game. He is confident that he will indeed be ready for round 1, he says that he is moving around easier since swelling has eased and seemed quite sure that he'll be okay come Derby time. Here's hoping that his self prognosis will be accurate. I spoke with Massimo as well, going by his tone and response it appears that Orlando's injury is as bad as we have heard...but he seems sure that Englaar will be back in time for finals providing we be competitive and make it there this season...so fingers crossed we still might see him in the Red & White again. Does anyone know what happen to Wielart? Surely there must be more to his injury than a rolled ankle Apparently he had an achilles problem earlier in pre-season so whether or not that's still affecting him I'm not sure, but at this stage it's just the rolled ankle. They can be pretty nasty sometimes, he'll be right for Round 1 though providing he stays injury-free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of Melbourne Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Another stuff up by the club. Sounds like he was injured when they signed him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Another stuff up by the club. Sounds like he was injured when they signed him up. A rolled ankle can happen to anybody, the achilles injury might be of some concern though but apparently it's meant to be all sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Another stuff up by the club. Sounds like he was injured when they signed him up. Doubt it mate, he played against LaTrobe, he wouldn't have been risked at all in that game with an underlying injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of Melbourne Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Another stuff up by the club. Sounds like he was injured when they signed him up. Doubt it mate, he played against LaTrobe, he wouldn't have been risked at all in that game with an underlying injury. time will tell. wait till the Achilles snaps, there goes another player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 I've just about had a gutful of this club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 I've just about had a gutful of this club As I recall it, a few months/weeks ago fans were crying out for a marquee player or two instead of trying to find and develop young local players. So do we take a risk and sign the Wielaerts and the Engelaars, or go with the Vrankovics and Archibalds? With just 23 spots available we can't have our cake and eat it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 I've just about had a gutful of this club As I recall it, a few months/weeks ago fans were crying out for a marquee player or two instead of trying to find and develop young local players. So do we take a risk and sign the Wielaerts and the Engelaars, or go with the Vrankovics and Archibalds? With just 23 spots available we can't have our cake and eat it too. We need a mix of young and old, but the Kewells/Weilaerts/ Engelaars of the team are not going to be there long-term. Our future rests with the young players, the McGraths, Archibalds, Behichs and Vrankovics' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulhollanddrive Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Our financial future might, but they'll be sold/loaned back within 3 years if they are any good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Aardvark Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 DMac has done his hammy and is out for a few months (must be a bad hammy) according to his twitter. It won't happen but I'd be happy to look at cutting him if we could afford it abd bringing McGrath or another prospect in. He's barely worthy of a spot in the squad as is let alone if he is going to miss multiple games. Also sucks in that it means he won't be available for the early rounds when Mifsud is playing internationals. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defibrillator Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 As harsh as it sounds Aardvark, you're probably right. Two long term injuries in a squad of 23 mandates action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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