R5 Brisbane Roar vs City Saturday 8th November 7:30pm

[n i k o]

If Hoffman had played like Archibald did against Sydney he would have been castrated on this forum for the amount of mistakes he made. But that's the way it goes. Anyway I'm all for Archibald to get more chances as he's young and should only get better.

[Dylan]

Getting that same feeling of 'I hope we lose' I did last year against Wellington before aloisi was sacked.

[japiedog]

Getting that same feeling of 'I hope we lose' I did last year against Wellington before aloisi was sacked.

you know what

the "i hope we lose" thought doesn't have to be mentioned

with our unbalanced squad, most of the team playing out of position, it is almost a given that we wont win

 

Someone made a comment earlier( I should have liked)

 

Man City took away our name, took away our colours, but they didn't take away our form !!

 

SO TRUE

[belaguttman]

If Hoffman had played like Archibald did against Sydney he would have been castrated on this forum for the amount of mistakes he made. But that's the way it goes. Anyway I'm all for Archibald to get more chances as he's young and should only get better.

I suppose that we all have some hope that Archibald can improve. Hoff has improved but is unlikely to improve much more, and currently isn't good enough as first choice LB. In any case Archibald is a CB also being played out of position because we don't have a single LB or RB in the squad.

Edited November 5, 2014 by belaguttman

[Deviant]

I see us winning this.

[Harrison]

So true Dylan. There is the inevitable feeling of wanting to lose in order to have the coach replaced.

 

Yet the season was over then, well and truly over. It is only round five. There is still a long way to go.

 

I see us going down. I could tolerate a loss if we scored some goals from open play.

 

Villa scored our only two goals from open play (unless I'm mistaken). All others have been from set pieces. So a goal from open play would be encouraging. 

[strider]

Getting that same feeling of 'I hope we lose' I did last year against Wellington before aloisi was sacked.

[perthheart]

Need to move Duff centrally. Easily our best player but doesn't receive the ball out wide enough and is generally isolated as a result.

Velaphi

Hoffman wielaert kisnorbo Archibald

Paartalu mooy

Duff

Mate Williams garrucio

Bench:

Redmayne, Marino, Ramsay, two out of Melling, Retre, Kalmar, brown, Mauk.

Mauk and Kalmar haven't had a run yet so could be their turn for a run as Brown, Retre and Melling haven't shown much in their few run outs this year.

Mauk is probably the only one of our youth that genuinely looks a prospect to make it a level higher. Melling I've not seen much of though.

garruccio needs to not be being played as a left back. He is a winger ffs. Is why I put Archibald in at lb despite being right footed I'd rather a defender be played out of position at lb than a winger. Just because you're left footed doesn't make you a competent defender.

[MHFCROB24]

 

Getting that same feeling of 'I hope we lose' I did last year against Wellington before aloisi was sacked.

 

Fair to say most have that feeling.

[Cinnamon]

Getting that same feeling of 'I hope we lose' I did last year against Wellington before aloisi was sacked.

Fair to say most have that feeling. Fits in well with the poor attitude of some players Edited November 6, 2014 by Cinnamon

[Davy21]

Saturday, 8 November 2014

Brisbane Roar FC v Melbourne City FC

Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane

Kick-Off: 6:30 PM (Local) (7:30 PM AEDT)

Referee: Kris Griffiths-Jones

Assistant Referee 1: Anton Shchetinin

Assistant Referee 2: Andrew Lindsay

Fourth Official: Chris Beath

TV Broadcast: Live coverage on FOX SPORTS 4HD & FOX SPORTS 4 from 7.00pm (AEDT), Live Coverage on SBS HD & SBS One from 7.30pm AEDT and Sky Sport 3 (New Zealand)

Radio Broadcast: 612 ABC Brisbane, ABC Local radio Queensland, 774 ABC Melbourne, Local Radio VIC, Grandstand Digital,   Grandstand Online/A-League Live Mobile phone app 

Join the conversation on Twitter using the hash-tag #BRIvMCY

Brisbane Roar FC Squad: 2.Matt SMITH ©, 3.Shane STEFANUTTO, 5.Corey BROWN, 7.Mensur KURTISHI, 8.Steven LUSTICA, 10.HENRIQUE, 12.Jean Carlos SOLORZANO, 13.Jade NORTH, 14.Daniel BOWLES, 15.James DONACHIE, 17.Matt McKAY, 18.Luke BRATTAN, 19.Jack HINGERT, 21.Jamie YOUNG (gk), 22.Thomas BROICH, 23.Dimitri PETRATOS, 28.Brandon BORRELLO, 30.Matthew ACTON  

***two to be omitted***

Ins: Corey BROWN, Daniel BOWLES (both promoted), Matt McKAY (returns from suspension)

Outs: Liam MILLER (released)
Unavailable: Nil

 

 

Melbourne City FC Squad: 1.Andrew REDMAYNE (GK), 3.Robbie WIELAERT, 5.Erik PAARTALU, 6.Aaron MOOY, 7.Iain RAMSAY, 11.Damien DUFF, 14.James BROWN, 15.David WILLIAMS, 17.Jason HOFFMAN, 19.Ben GARUCCIO, 20.Tando VELAPHI (GK), 21.Stefan MAUK, 22.Nick KALMAR, 23.Mate DUGANDZIC, 24.Patrick KISNORBO ©, 25.Jacob MELLING, 26.Marc MARINO, 27.Ross ARCHIBALD

***two to be omitted***

Ins: 7.Iain RAMSAY (promoted), 14.James BROWN (promoted), 22.Nick KALMAR (promoted), 21.Stefan MAUK (promoted), 26.Marc MARINO (promoted)

Outs: 8.Massimo MURDOCCA (groin - 1-2 weeks), 9.David VILLA (not available for selection), 13.Jonatan GERMANO (hamstring - 2-4 weeks), 

Unavailable: 10.Robert KOREN (calf – 3-5 weeks)

 

[Tonyboozeadams]

Hopefully Mauk and Marino get a run

[stewmac]

Ramsey promoted dear oh dear :-(

[benzema23]

David Villa not available for selection whaaaa-whaaaaaat?!?!?

[KD.]

Getting that same feeling of 'I hope we lose' I did last year against Wellington before aloisi was sacked.

[interstatefan]

I'd love to know who writes the social media pieces, 'Kisnorbo keen to kick start season' the season started a month ago.

[belaguttman]

What worries me more is reports that the team is struggling with the expectation to be successful. What other expectation should the team have?

[jw1739]

I'd love to know who writes the social media pieces, 'Kisnorbo keen to kick start season' the season started a month ago.

IIRC if you go back to last season you'll see the same phrase or theme for the first 12 matches or so.

 

Don't worry. As and when or if we ever start winning you'll see words such as "stellar performance" arise like Lazarus...

[interstatefan]

What worries me more is reports that the team is struggling with the expectation to be successful. What other expectation should the team have?

Well they are excelling at being mediocre at the moment that's for sure.

[strider]

 

What worries me more is reports that the team is struggling with the expectation to be successful. What other expectation should the team have?

Well they are excelling at being mediocre at the moment that's for sure.

 

 

Maybe they can try to be better at being mediocre? 

[wfc_10]

Chris Beath relegated to fourth official... thank god.

[Shahanga]

So what's the story with Retre?

 

Not named in the side, but also not listed as out.  Just dropped behind Melling, Mauk & Kalmar in the pecking order.

[Attack11]

Kisnorbo speaks to the media today ...

"It's not Desperation Stakes" is this not the problem of our club???

We are 0 - 4 so far, got smashed in the Darby, lost at home, and drew to Newcastle at home...

Just out of curiosity I would like to know, what has to happen for their to be "desperation stakes"??? Don't professional athletes need to be desperate and hungry from the start of the season???

[n i k o]

What a player or coach says in front of the cameras is quite often a lot different to what he's really thinking

[Ando]

He's not exactly going to come out to the media and say 'yeah nah mate we're pretty shit at the moment ay' now is he?

[lukesicari]

Hoping Mauk gets a good run with the team this week. 

 

Murdocca is a big loss

[Tonyboozeadams]

Hoping Mauk gets a good run with the team this week.

Murdocca is a big loss

A big loss to the Brisbane midfield. Glad to see the back of him

[Dylan]

Do us all a Favour this game boys and lose

[Ray]

The team has the credentials to do really well but their minds are not in the right place. They need to be led by the manager and it is his responsibility to get their confidence up and get them playing as a team. Our opponents once went 36 games without a loss, not because they were superbly better athletes, but they had had it drummed into them that they actually were! Then they lost one game and that all of a sudden turned into 4 or 5 losses. Confidence is a good thing, maybe hard to get sometimes.

 

 

 

[Kiro Kompiro]

 

Melbourne City adjusts to life without David Villa as Brisbane Roar test looms

With David Villa's departure to New York – probably for good – it is tempting to suggest that for Melbourne City the season can rewind and start again after four problematic rounds that have yielded just two points out of a possible 12.

But that would not be correct, says skipper Patrick Kisnorbo, as the club looks to break its duck for the season with a difficult away trip to champion Brisbane Roar on Saturday night.

Kisnorbo admitted having Villa around, while beneficial on the pitch, was something of a distraction.

But that does not mean City sees his departure as a chance to wipe the slate.

"Maybe he was a little bit [of a distraction]," Kisnorbo said. "He's a big, big player, but we just have to worry about ourselves now. 

"The season for us started in round one. It doesn't matter who came in. We haven't got the results we wanted."

Roar has also begun the campaign in poor fashion, but Kisnorbo says it cannot be underestimated given the class it has within its ranks.

Like City it will be jittery at its poor beginning but not ringing alarm bells – yet.

"It's not got to the stage of desperate, but both teams would like to have a few more wins on the board," Kisnorbo said.

"It's going to be a hard game, two teams that want to pick up points. We do our video review, it doesn't matter about their results, they are still a good passing team, and we are playing away from home.

"Their lack of results doesn't mean they are a bad team. But we just need to go there and worry about ourselves."

City coach John van 't Schip has suggested the inconsistency of his team – at times this season it has played some good football and dominated opponents, only to fall away – is due to its inability to cope with heightened expectations now it is owned by Manchester City.

Kisnorbo says he and his teammates are aware of the disappointment and the fadeouts, and are working to ensure they stop.

"We set expectations on ourselves. We always expect high things. We have just got to be professional as footballers. Maybe it's a lack of concentration.

"We have worked really hard to rectify that on and off the pitch. It gets frustrating, but this is where you have to stick together as a group and work at problems that come up in games.

"If the City group had not taken over, I don't think these questions would be asked, but there are expectations of us now. We are making our own mistakes. I don't think we have been outplayed in games, it's just a few errors we need to clean up."

So far this season City has scored five goals, with Villa responsible for two of them.

What is worrying is that the other three have come from defenders: Kisnorbo chipped in against Adelaide, while centre-back partner Rob Wielaert got on the scoresheet against Melbourne Victory, as did full-back Jason Hoffman.

With no Villa, who in his four games was easily City's most threatening player, the onus is on men such as David Williams, James Brown and Mate Dugandzic to step up and assume the scoring mantle.

Slovenian international Robert Koren is still out of action and is unlikely to be available until December.

If the forwards cannot produce regularly, City will be reliant on set-pieces – something Kisnorbo is adept at having spent years among the hurly burly of the English Championship.

He scored from a corner against Adelaide, while Wielaert netted from a free kick against Melbourne Victory. 

"For any centre-half to get a goal from a set-piece is good," Kisnorbo said. "We work really hard at our set-pieces. I got goals at Leeds and Leicester – I  scored 12 goals at Leicester one season."

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/melbourne-city-adjusts-to-life-without-david-villa-as-brisbane-roar-test-looms-20141106-11htqy.html

 

 

The bolded bit bother me a lot.

 

What is he saying?  "If we win, we win.  If we lose we lose.  We didn't give a fuck, the club didn't give a fuck".

 

 Its no wonder they got their fingers out of their arses until CFG gave them their contracts, and things went bad straight after.

 

Well Mr Kisnorbo, all the season ticket holder that pay your wages did ask questions.  The season ticket holders all did have expectations. And they all knew they weren't and stil;l aren't playing with heart and pride. What a disgraceful thing as professional to admit.  He's the second after Murdocca.

 

What a joke of a club Heart was an City is becoming.  The heads of those that set the culture- Munn and Dudilica need to go.

[Kiro Kompiro]

The team has the credentials to do really well but their minds are not in the right place. They need to be led by the manager and it is his responsibility to get their confidence up and get them playing as a team. Our opponents once went 36 games without a loss, not because they were superbly better athletes, but they had had it drummed into them that they actually were! Then they lost one game and that all of a sudden turned into 4 or 5 losses. Confidence is a good thing, maybe hard to get sometimes.

 

 

Bullshit.

 

Have a look at kisnorbo's comments in The Age above.

 

Its the players that have chosen to get away with the not giving a rats, beacsue the senior management let them get away with it.

[Kiro Kompiro]

What worries me more is reports that the team is struggling with the expectation to be successful. What other expectation should the team have?

 

Its a joke on all of those who have paid for their season tickets for years to watch those monkeys go around half-arsed.

[Kiro Kompiro]

He's not exactly going to come out to the media and say 'yeah nah mate we're pretty shit at the moment ay' now is he?

 

No but he has said confirms that there is a lot wrong with the culture at this club.

[n i k o]

 

Melbourne City adjusts to life without David Villa as Brisbane Roar test looms

With David Villa's departure to New York – probably for good – it is tempting to suggest that for Melbourne City the season can rewind and start again after four problematic rounds that have yielded just two points out of a possible 12.

But that would not be correct, says skipper Patrick Kisnorbo, as the club looks to break its duck for the season with a difficult away trip to champion Brisbane Roar on Saturday night.

Kisnorbo admitted having Villa around, while beneficial on the pitch, was something of a distraction.

But that does not mean City sees his departure as a chance to wipe the slate.

"Maybe he was a little bit [of a distraction]," Kisnorbo said. "He's a big, big player, but we just have to worry about ourselves now. 

"The season for us started in round one. It doesn't matter who came in. We haven't got the results we wanted."

Roar has also begun the campaign in poor fashion, but Kisnorbo says it cannot be underestimated given the class it has within its ranks.

Like City it will be jittery at its poor beginning but not ringing alarm bells – yet.

"It's not got to the stage of desperate, but both teams would like to have a few more wins on the board," Kisnorbo said.

"It's going to be a hard game, two teams that want to pick up points. We do our video review, it doesn't matter about their results, they are still a good passing team, and we are playing away from home.

"Their lack of results doesn't mean they are a bad team. But we just need to go there and worry about ourselves."

City coach John van 't Schip has suggested the inconsistency of his team – at times this season it has played some good football and dominated opponents, only to fall away – is due to its inability to cope with heightened expectations now it is owned by Manchester City.

Kisnorbo says he and his teammates are aware of the disappointment and the fadeouts, and are working to ensure they stop.

"We set expectations on ourselves. We always expect high things. We have just got to be professional as footballers. Maybe it's a lack of concentration.

"We have worked really hard to rectify that on and off the pitch. It gets frustrating, but this is where you have to stick together as a group and work at problems that come up in games.

"If the City group had not taken over, I don't think these questions would be asked, but there are expectations of us now. We are making our own mistakes. I don't think we have been outplayed in games, it's just a few errors we need to clean up."

So far this season City has scored five goals, with Villa responsible for two of them.

What is worrying is that the other three have come from defenders: Kisnorbo chipped in against Adelaide, while centre-back partner Rob Wielaert got on the scoresheet against Melbourne Victory, as did full-back Jason Hoffman.

With no Villa, who in his four games was easily City's most threatening player, the onus is on men such as David Williams, James Brown and Mate Dugandzic to step up and assume the scoring mantle.

Slovenian international Robert Koren is still out of action and is unlikely to be available until December.

If the forwards cannot produce regularly, City will be reliant on set-pieces – something Kisnorbo is adept at having spent years among the hurly burly of the English Championship.

He scored from a corner against Adelaide, while Wielaert netted from a free kick against Melbourne Victory. 

"For any centre-half to get a goal from a set-piece is good," Kisnorbo said. "We work really hard at our set-pieces. I got goals at Leeds and Leicester – I  scored 12 goals at Leicester one season."

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/melbourne-city-adjusts-to-life-without-david-villa-as-brisbane-roar-test-looms-20141106-11htqy.html

 

 

The bolded bit bother me a lot.

 

What is he saying?  "If we win, we win.  If we lose we lose.  We didn't give a fuck, the club didn't give a fuck".

 

 Its no wonder they got their fingers out of their arses until CFG gave them their contracts, and things went bad straight after.

 

Well Mr Kisnorbo, all the season ticket holder that pay your wages did ask questions.  The season ticket holders all did have expectations. And they all knew they weren't and stil;l aren't playing with heart and pride. What a disgraceful thing as professional to admit.  He's the second after Murdocca.

 

What a joke of a club Heart was an City is becoming.  The heads of those that set the culture- Munn and Dudilica need to go.

I look into these comments and I believe that what Kisnorbo is saying is now that CFG are watching down on every move they make and the media and the supporters expect that winning titles is imminent there is more expectation on them now. That doesn't mean there own desire to win is more or less than last season as he puts it "we set expectations on ourselves." But I think his comment regarding the added expectations sums up the lack of expectations placed on the players and coach by the previous owners of the club. They are the ones who didn't put the same pressure on the players and manager that they are experiencing now. I agree because of this Munn and Didulica need to be given the sack. So I believe Kisnorbo is right in what he says. There is a greater expectation on them to succeed, it doesn't mean they never had those expectations of themselves before but very clearly the pressure to win is far greater as they now represent owners associated with winning, pure and simple.

[Dylan]

God I hope this game ends up being the final nail for JVS

 

but knowing our luck we will win and just keep struggling along

Edited November 7, 2014 by Dylan

[jw1739]

God I hope this game ends up being the final nail for JVS

Unfortunately I don't think it will, whatever the result. I think we're in for a lot more pain as supporters before we see change throughout Melbourne City - probably until the end of the current season at least. So far the CFG management style seems to be one of gently does it rather than sudden and dramatic change.

 

On the subject of the expectations placed on players etc., I for one am getting a little tired of various players and now even van 't Schip making these statements about how things are different now under CFG. As niko points out above, these statements are easily misunderstood as meaning that the players didn't care too much before, and I doubt that is true. As far as I'm concerned the place where I want to to see the effect of changes under CFG is on the field of play, not in the media. And so far all I have seen on the field of play is that we are a long way behind the best teams in the A-League - a very long way behind indeed.

[Dylan]

 

God I hope this game ends up being the final nail for JVS

Unfortunately I don't think it will, whatever the result. I think we're in for a lot more pain as supporters before we see change throughout Melbourne City - probably until the end of the current season at least. So far the CFG management style seems to be one of gently does it rather than sudden and dramatic change.

 

On the subject of the expectations placed on players etc., I for one am getting a little tired of various players and now even van 't Schip making these statements about how things are different now under CFG. As niko points out above, these statements are easily misunderstood as meaning that the players didn't care too much before, and I doubt that is true. As far as I'm concerned the place where I want to to see the effect of changes under CFG is on the field of play, not in the media. And so far all I have seen on the field of play is that we are a long way behind the best teams in the A-League - a very long way behind indeed.

 

 

 

I think they just found that line in the media about higher expectations in the preseason  and thought it was a good line to trump out in press conferences. However, I do think that expectations are higher for the club and players purely because our owners have the money to make changes when ever they want which is something I doubt the Heart board could do. 

[belaguttman]

The Heart board were collectively wealthy, it was a board decision to minimise their investment in the club.

[silva10]

 

God I hope this game ends up being the final nail for JVS

Unfortunately I don't think it will, whatever the result. I think we're in for a lot more pain as supporters before we see change throughout Melbourne City - probably until the end of the current season at least. So far the CFG management style seems to be one of gently does it rather than sudden and dramatic change.

 

On the subject of the expectations placed on players etc., I for one am getting a little tired of various players and now even van 't Schip making these statements about how things are different now under CFG. As niko points out above, these statements are easily misunderstood as meaning that the players didn't care too much before, and I doubt that is true. As far as I'm concerned the place where I want to to see the effect of changes under CFG is on the field of play, not in the media. And so far all I have seen on the field of play is that we are a long way behind the best teams in the A-League - a very long way behind indeed.

 

 

It is hard to gauge what CFG will do JW

 

I am sure they listened to the existing Heart management when they took over, as they where the ones with the knowledge of the A League.

 

However, I am sure they will be judging JVS on this season and not past seasons. So I think it is very much a guessing game to know there thoughts.

 

As for the players, I don't think it was a fact they never cared when playing for Heart. It could be they were just comfortable and not being pushed enough.

 

Of course all that has changed and now they will be judged more harshly by the management.

 

I believe we will see the team evvolving over the next two transfer windows. Whether that means a change at the top remains to be seen.

[silva10]

Has JVS gave any indication there may be a change in personnel and formation this week?