Murfy1 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) Anyone speak Dutch? Google translate below: Thu 25 Jul 2013, 06:33 Melbourne draws to Van 't Schip From our TelesportredactieA AMSTERDAM - John van 't Schip holds an offer from his former club Melbourne Heart under consideration. The Australian Association, where the former Ajax player and coach held sway from 2009 to 2012, the 49-year-old Van 't Schip asked if he also wants the youth development and an advisor will perform around the bench the first team Melbourne Heart. "I think about it. After I left early this year as head coach at the Mexican Chivas Guadalajara I would like to get back to work in football," Van 't Schip, who also had FC Twente under his wing and four-year assistant was national coach Marco van Basten for the Dutch national team. (Google translate: http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/voetbal/buitenlands/21760005/__Melbourne_trekt_aan_Van__t_Schip__.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522van%2527t%2Bschip%2522%2B%2522De%2BTelegraaf%2522%26rlz%3D1C1AFAB_enAU519AU520) (original: http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/voetbal/buitenlands/21760005/__Melbourne_trekt_aan_Van__t_Schip__.html) Edited July 25, 2013 by Murfy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphine Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 What the hell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartinHobart Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Would welcome this 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Like Harry. Happy to have him on minimum wage because nobody else will take him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart_fan10 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 would be ideal tbh, That's the kind of coaching role i see JVS suited to. In terms of youth development and advising the coaching staff he would be fantastic. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted July 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 It looks like JVS would be the Youth Coach and in charge of Youth Development overall. He might be an assistant coach too, going off this translated article saying that he'd be an "advisor" as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marn11 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 JVS would be absolutely perfect as Head of Youth/Academy. Would love this to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Aloisi knows he's in over his head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluka Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) Please let this happen. Aloisi needs someone helping him out that isn't as inexperienced as Hayden Foxe, would really help Melbourne Heart but i believe it would also help Aloisi develop as a gaffer Edited July 25, 2013 by Deluka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Would be perfect. Hope it happens. If it does I can see him back in charge again in due course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attack11 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Man, the club is throwing everything they can to make sure the appointment of J.A doesn't become a monumental floop. Harry Kewell, JVS, Bhich, and there are still 2 international spots left... What else can J.A ask for??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 This would be a good move IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerhead Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Man, the club is throwing everything they can to make sure the appointment of J.A doesn't become a monumental floop. Harry Kewell, JVS, Bhich, and there are still 2 international spots left... What else can J.A ask for??? You forgot the re-signing of hoffman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theresonlyonebzamora Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Man, the club is throwing everything they can to make sure the appointment of J.A doesn't become a monumental floop. Harry Kewell, JVS, Bhich, and there are still 2 international spots left... What else can J.A ask for??? You forgot the re-signing of hoffman. *Captain Hoffman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulhollanddrive Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Would love JVS back, but honestly the club has dismantled the philosophy he built for 2 years, he'd really need a job to come back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victards Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Not only ideal to mentor JA, but the infamous 'youth policy' we implemented those years back under JVS will be re-ignited, what a mentor for our youth players coming through the ranks. Please happen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post marteaux Posted July 25, 2013 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) Nice. Hope he brings his daughter back with him. Edited July 25, 2013 by marteaux 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Great if it happens, it's the perfect job for him as long as the club sees it as a long-term project that it adequately funds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libero Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 would he undermine Aloisi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 would he undermine Aloisi? Hopefully... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted July 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) Some statements from our CEO Scott Munn about Heart bringing in more coaching staff. The first made in late May the second made in late June: We’re now in a position where we can invest in the football department and we must and I think we’ll see some great appointments. (http://sportsbusinessinsider.com.au/news/category/financial-and-governance/staying-on-track-melbourne-hearts-mission/) the CEO added the Red and Whites will give head coach John Aloisi more support in the coming season. "We're probably going to add a few more staff around him this year and I think that's one of the most important things after last year," Munn said. "Our board was really clear in investing more money into the football department. "We didn't do that last year and we'll see more players, a higher spend on salaries and also (more money invested) in the football department." (http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/heart-confident-of-retaining-garcia/69586) I reckon Aloisi could do a solid job with some more good coaching staff around him. Also, I reckon JVS wouldn't undermine Aloisi if JVS' main focus and duty at Heart was youth development. If JVS only became an assistant coach to Aloisi, then I reckon Aloisi could possibly be undermined, but it doesn't sound like that would happen. Edited July 25, 2013 by Murfy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schrecky Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 it didnt work when collingwood asked mick to be coaching director... maybe this is different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranerz21 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 JA needs some help if last season is anything to go by and both have worked together before so know each others style, in theory this could be a good partnership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstam Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Basically admitting JA is a lemon with all this talk of extra support staff, mentors etc around him. Don't see any other A-League team doing this to cover up their Head Coach's inadequacies! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perthheart Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 This would be an excellent investment. I don't know if you could ask for a better youth team coach. While I think his youth focus was a hindrance at times to our first team aspirstions. His ability to spot youth talent cant really be questioned. Imagine what state we would be in if we didnt have the transfer fees from the youth he brought through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biancorosso7 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Good call Melbourne Heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 would he undermine Aloisi? Doubt that JvS would deliberately undermine JA as it would not be in his interest to do so, but if he comes I'd suggest that JA ought to learn the meaning of Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin. Bringing back JvS would produce an intriguing set of circumstances for all of Aloisi, Foxe and Palatsides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Genuinely excited by this if it happens. Has got a great tan, suit hangs off him really cool like, and would compliment JA in the media. Plus yoof development and talent identifcation and a ready made alternative just in case JA fucks up again. Win win win win !! Make it happen Munn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedukeofhearts Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 It would keep JA on his toes. At the moment you get the feeling it doesn't matter what happens he's safe, but having someone that could take over would hold them all accountable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braveheart Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Cad will love this development 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 the club needs to pay him a fuck load, embed him at the club and make this long term, not some 1 year shit like they have been doing lately. Also, hire him an assistant that can learn off him so if he leaves again we have a ready replacement. But in saying that, could turn out to be a great move. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Basically admitting JA is a lemon with all this talk of extra support staff, mentors etc around him. Don't see any other A-League team doing this to cover up their Head Coach's inadequacies! Its laughable isn't it? You are either The Man or you're not. If Aloisi thinks he needs a mentor then he should do the decent thing by the club, players and fans and just resign- if he's not up to it, he's not up to it. Go and coach in the VPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Basically admitting JA is a lemon with all this talk of extra support staff, mentors etc around him. Don't see any other A-League team doing this to cover up their Head Coach's inadequacies! Its laughable isn't it? You are either The Man or you're not. If Aloisi thinks he needs a mentor then he should do the decent thing by the club, players and fans and just resign- if he's not up to it, he's not up to it. Go and coach in the VPL. If this is going to happen more likely the board and Munn are instigating it to give themselves an option if things don't turn around this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Basically admitting JA is a lemon with all this talk of extra support staff, mentors etc around him. Don't see any other A-League team doing this to cover up their Head Coach's inadequacies! Its laughable isn't it? You are either The Man or you're not. If Aloisi thinks he needs a mentor then he should do the decent thing by the club, players and fans and just resign- if he's not up to it, he's not up to it. Go and coach in the VPL. If this is going to happen more likely the board and Munn are instigating it to give themselves an option if things don't turn around this season. TBH that seems the most likely scneario. Better to have someone lined up who can seamlessly step in. The first 8 weeks will be make or break for Aloisi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartMillsy29 Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 If it's purely for youth development I don't see how appointing JVS would be admitting JA is rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 I assume JVS would only be interested in this if he was after a less intensive role than head coach. If that's what he wants then this could be a good fit. His sons still here I think. So maybe a part time role or something with us might work, and help JA and HF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted July 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 Here's a new dutch article on JVS coming to Heart: John van 't Schip looks so far as to re-trainer of the Australian Melbourne Heart, but is willing to act as the club where he served as head coach between October 2009 and April 2012. Consultant The former 49-year-old Orange -international traveling down to Melbourne next week to discuss a possible role as a sounding board for the current trainers and set up youth academy. The option to settle again full time in Melbourne sees Van 't Schip off anyway."Given the conditions, it is not necessary for the job to be there permanently," responds the former Ajax player. "That would be in the future may be the case. But for the present, I prefer to do this work. More on a consultancy basis Three, four times in the season, I could travel to Melbourne, with the bulk of the work can be done in the Netherlands, but we will talk more next week. " Since his resignation from the Mexican Chivas Guadalajara early January, Van 't Ship without employer. Afterwards he did speak with some potential employers about various functions, but not concrete. Was this , "If I can do something like Melbourne. I do that If I can do that by visiting a few moments, I am not bound in case something comes my way soon. Otherwise I can only look back on over eight months that I do not find it most convenient. " (translated: http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&u=http://www.vi.nl/nieuws/244493/Van-t-Schip-Hooguit-als-adviseur-terug-naar-Melbourne.htm) (original: http://www.vi.nl/nieuws/244493/Van-t-Schip-Hooguit-als-adviseur-terug-naar-Melbourne.htm) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 Would be awesome if it happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 Im repeating myself here a bit but, IF the club wants this to be a positive move they need to give JVS some ownership of what he is doing. Make him want to be apart of the club, that he is in control of something with a real benefit for the club in the long term. Put alot of money in development of players and let JVS take charge of that, they did say they were going to have the youth team mirror the senior training or even train with them, no idea if they still do it but if they want this model of developing youth they need to basically make this a long term program with as much money as they can squeeze into it done. No one year fixes, no under funded annoucements. Do it, do it long term and make it count. They have these new Bolton videos about community engagement, well this is probably the best thing the club can do for the 'community'. They also need to provide clear roles and boundaries within the coaching structure of the club, we are dealing with egos here, so in fact that perhaps could be the critical thing. JA and HF clearly need help I just hope they both realise that and embrace JVS back at the club if this deal happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 Is Ron Smith still a part of our coaching set up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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