The JvS thread

[n i k o]

I'm slowing moving back to JVS.

 

But that can quickly change.

Wait till next game

[cadete]

I have never been big on picking sides on here prior to games on forums... mainly because both JVS or JA always just rolled out the same formation anyway so to me it has always seemed a pretty pointless exercise.

 

However as I mentioned earlier if quickly you go through the current list and forget about injuries and just picked the best side on paper the only former Heart player that would be sure of a definite start would be Kisnorbo... no wonder he made Captain FWIW.

 

Then guys like Germano and Substitute Williams (Not to be confused with Starter Williams) might make the bench.

There is no transitional period - JVS has no excuses.

Edited March 29, 2015 by cadete

[Parrot]

What about also giving JVS some credit for replacing Redmayne, who was our regular goalleaker, with Tando who is becoming better and better.

 

JVS helped develop young players very well when he was last here - look at Good, Behich and Marrone as examples.

He was prepared to play young players in place of Colosimo, who got reinstated under John  Aloisi. 

 

We're seeing big improvement again from some of our young players eg. Melling. 

[n i k o]

What about also giving JVS some credit for replacing Redmayne, who was our regular goalleaker, with Tando who is becoming better and better.

JVS helped develop young players very well when he was last here - look at Good, Behich and Marrone as examples.

He was prepared to play young players in place of Colosimo, who got reinstated under John Aloisi.

We're seeing big improvement again from some of our young players eg. Melling.

Does he really deserve credit though? How many games was Redmayne performing extremely poorly for before a change was made?

Melling was already developed, that's why he earnt a chance to play in the senior squad where he proved he could stay. Now unless JVS was going to youth practise and giving him a helping hand in shaping the player he is then I doubt he deserves such accolades.

Edited March 29, 2015 by n i k o

[belaguttman]

@Cadete if the only problem that we had last season was a novice coach with no idea about coaching then I would have expected a vast improvement this season. I'm not defending JVS or even suggesting that we retain him, just saying that the problems were much deeper. Replacing an almost complete list of duds was always going to take longer than 1 season with the restrictions imposed by the salary cap, improving the near-non-existent training facilities was also going to take some time and changing the organisational and team culture is still a work in progress. If we can sign some good forwards and a better coach in the off-season then we will be a serious threat next season. JVS has played a role in our improvement but I don't think that he has what it takes to take us all the way.

[bellydrum]

We score 1 goal in the first 5 minutes and everyone expects him to do a cartwheel or something. Still go 85 mins to go.  

 

JVS hasn't been perfect, but I think there were also factors that would impede any coach during this season.

 

Next 4 games will decide it for me. If we show consistency and get some decent results I would be happy to see him for another season. I think under further CFG instruction we could see him improve, as well as the squad.

Edited March 29, 2015 by bellydrum

[n i k o]

Well with player signings, JVS had considerable time (7 months) to get the most out of the open player positions he had available to him(9 or 10????). I don't doubt if he went back to the beginning of 2014 we would have a different squad to look at by seasons start, especially defensively.

[n i k o]

We score 1 goal in the first 5 minutes and everyone expects him to do a cartwheel or something. Still go 85 mins to go. People on this forum 

 

JVS hasn't been perfect, but I think there were also factors that would impede any coach during this season.

 

Next 4 games will decide it for me. If we show consistency and get some decent results I would be happy to see him for another season. I think under further CFG instruction we could see him improve, as well as the squad.

Even with the best squad we have had in five years I have found a lot of our football even when in possession boring, predictable and slow.

[belaguttman]

 

We score 1 goal in the first 5 minutes and everyone expects him to do a cartwheel or something. Still go 85 mins to go. People on this forum 

 

JVS hasn't been perfect, but I think there were also factors that would impede any coach during this season.

 

Next 4 games will decide it for me. If we show consistency and get some decent results I would be happy to see him for another season. I think under further CFG instruction we could see him improve, as well as the squad.

Even with the best squad we have had in five years I have found a lot of our football even when in possession boring, predictable and slow.

 

Our play is extremely predictable, this is a tactical and coaching problem for us because we don't have the individual skills to impose our game on opponents. This is where JVS is not good enough in either improving the skill level and tactical decision making of players, and in not coaching tactical flexibility into the team.

[jw1739]

Well with player signings, JVS had considerable time (7 months) to get the most out of the open player positions he had available to him(9 or 10????). I don't doubt if he went back to the beginning of 2014 we would have a different squad to look at by seasons start, especially defensively.

But he didn't fill the critical positions that were identified on here - full-backs, striker, right-wing. The full-backs fell into our lap half-way through the season, Kennedy didn't arrive until half-way either (and I don't think he's up to it anyway), and we still don't have an effective RW.

 

At the same time he erred (IMO) in giving Hoffman and Williams another two years each - one would have been quite sufficient.

 

We will finish 6th or 7th. That's an improvement. But I don't think he is the man to take the club forward year-by-year.

[Parrot]

In a lowly salary capped league, getting your marquee signings outside this salary cap right is very important.

So JVS has to take some praise - or is it blame - for our two key marquee signings  - Koren and Kennedy.

[jw1739]

 

 

We score 1 goal in the first 5 minutes and everyone expects him to do a cartwheel or something. Still go 85 mins to go. People on this forum 

 

JVS hasn't been perfect, but I think there were also factors that would impede any coach during this season.

 

Next 4 games will decide it for me. If we show consistency and get some decent results I would be happy to see him for another season. I think under further CFG instruction we could see him improve, as well as the squad.

Even with the best squad we have had in five years I have found a lot of our football even when in possession boring, predictable and slow.

 

Our play is extremely predictable, this is a tactical and coaching problem for us because we don't have the individual skills to impose our game on opponents. This is where JVS is not good enough in either improving the skill level and tactical decision making of players, and in not coaching tactical flexibility into the team.

To sum it up in simple terms, we are not an exciting team to watch.

[cadete]

What about also giving JVS some credit for replacing Redmayne, who was our regular goalleaker, with Tando who is becoming better and better.

 

JVS helped develop young players very well when he was last here - look at Good, Behich and Marrone as examples.

He was prepared to play young players in place of Colosimo, who got reinstated under John  Aloisi. 

 

We're seeing big improvement again from some of our young players eg. Melling. 

The twenty blokes I have been standing with at the football for years were calling for Redders to be replaced before JA had been sacked.

And then JVS when finally gave Tando a chance at the end of last season and the guy did well back then but then JVS for some odd reasons then went back to playing Redders which ended up costing us crucial points that would have secured a finals spot by now.

 

JVS had done well at times in promoting #yoof even I concede that but TBH he also made a lot of errors by focusing on younger players.

It also frustrates me that one of the arguments PPL make on here for promoting #yoof is that they come back to the club once they have explored Greener pastures yet Hamill and Marrone did not do as such... I also don't understand why we didn't try harder to keep Goodwin clearly one of the more skillful younger players that we did unearth to back up the whole #yoof argument.

 

Look JVS does obviously deserves a far bit of credit for unearthing Good and now Chapman - Discovering Young Professional Centre Halves is a decent achievement for any coach but at the same time his focus on #yoof has also cost us a fair share of points.

 

The most primary example being how in Season Two you can look through our results and you can basically pick out the good results as those when he paired the two teenagers of Good with Hamill together compared to one of these kids with an experienced defender in Madaschi or Colosimo. 

(I also think it should be noted and remembered by more on here that despite his often cited poor start to S3 - Colosimo deserves credit for his last half of a Season at MHFC where he actually pulled things together and ended his time at the club with a reasonable finish.)

 

@Cadete if the only problem that we had last season was a novice coach with no idea about coaching then I would have expected a vast improvement this season. I'm not defending JVS or even suggesting that we retain him, just saying that the problems were much deeper. Replacing an almost complete list of duds was always going to take longer than 1 season with the restrictions imposed by the salary cap, improving the near-non-existent training facilities was also going to take some time and changing the organisational and team culture is still a work in progress. If we can sign some good forwards and a better coach in the off-season then we will be a serious threat next season. JVS has played a role in our improvement but I don't think that he has what it takes to take us all the way.

I think the major disagreement that we have is that I don't see immediate results as hard an achievement to be made as you do... ESP not in this league or when the club has managed to basically change its Starting List over the course of the Season.

 

To me its just a reality that with Arnold or even Merrick (Two coaches we could have probably had signed) with our current squad would have us entrenched in the Top Six by now.

 

Maybe its easier for other PPL to accept JVS faults as a part watching Soccer that is lower down the pecking order of Soccer on a Global Scale because they primarily support a European Side over City.

 

However my European Side from Childhood has gone from beating teams like United, Juventus and Liverpool in the Champions League when I was at University to these days playing teams that are literally almost as shit as Melbourne City every second week so watching a Coach clearly underperforming with City is a constant source of frustration for me. 

Edited March 30, 2015 by cadete

[Ruckoo]

Spoke to JVS after the game and he actually apologized for an ugly-frustrating game, we sit right next to the bench and often you hear the frustration from JVS because the players are not following the game plan and or constantly out of position.

 

We have to remember we have had a pretty major turnover of players this year, not only at the start but mid way through the season as well, it takes time to learn and remember these things but I think we are moving in the right direction under John.

 

 

my 2 cents.

[belaguttman]

Immediate results are easier, remember we started a winning run when JVS replaced Aloisi, our problem has always been with consistency. JVS is certainly a factor in this but you can see with Arnold and Merrick that even their teams struggled when hit with injuries to key players. Football is a weakest link game and we have too many weak links on our team list. I don't understand why both Aloisi and JVS persisted with Redmayne when everyone else could see that.

[Ruckoo]

Tando had a few opportunities early on and was pretty bad. Amazing the turnaround now but I get why they weren't rushing him in. 

[cadete]

I think JVS style of play could work in a better league, but when deployed by A-League players becomes both too slow, predictable and sees the side wasting at lot of energy for little reward that ends up leaving us prone to leaking goals towards the end of games.

 

However I must add I would not care how we won as long as we do win so I was more than happy with Saturday's result, we can be as boring and predictable as Leeds in the 1970's and I would not give a crap as long as we won. (In fact if we won the title purely by 1-0 results where the opposition each time scored an own goal I would not give a fuck.)

 

I am a Sore Loser and when it comes to Professional Sport all I really care about is Winning and JVS is clearly not a Winner.

(In fact I am such a Sore Loser I will often just leave the racetrack despite the amount of money I pay for Membership if I haven't won a thing by Race 6  due to this attitude).

Edited March 30, 2015 by cadete

[KSK_47]

Spoke to JVS after the game and he actually apologized for an ugly-frustrating game, we sit right next to the bench and often you hear the frustration from JVS because the players are not following the game plan and or constantly out of position.

We have to remember we have had a pretty major turnover of players this year, not only at the start but mid way through the season as well, it takes time to learn and remember these things but I think we are moving in the right direction under John.

my 2 cents.

But this is no different to his first two seasons and when he took over last season. It's the same shit and the same excuses. If the players listened to him we would be great. If the players fired up when he wanted them to we would be great. If he had a good squad we would be great. If we didn't have injuries we would be great.

Sorry man but heard it all before.

Edited March 30, 2015 by KSK_47

[Ruckoo]

 

Spoke to JVS after the game and he actually apologized for an ugly-frustrating game, we sit right next to the bench and often you hear the frustration from JVS because the players are not following the game plan and or constantly out of position.

We have to remember we have had a pretty major turnover of players this year, not only at the start but mid way through the season as well, it takes time to learn and remember these things but I think we are moving in the right direction under John.

my 2 cents.

But this is no different to his first two seasons and when he took over last season. It's the same shit and the same excuses. If the players listened to him we would be great. If the players fired up when he wanted them to we would be great. If he had a good squad we would be great. If we didn't have injuries we would be great.

Sorry man but heard it all before.

 

 

 

Man, look at the changes in the team this year on and off the pitch, it takes time, we have vastly improved as the season has gone on and we look a lot more settled. I think the fact we had Clisby, Jaliens, Novillo, Kennedy, Koren and even Brown to an extent on the pitch who hadn't played first half of the season or even train with us. To say that not a factor is silly, you have to judge a bloke on all factors and be realistic.

[n i k o]

I blame him to a big extent for us having such a poor squad to begin with. He had an opportunity to sign enough quality players in the right positions for us to be a stronger team through preseason. If anything he's fortunate we have had so many injuries that have allowed him to bring in better players than he had decided to start the season with.

[KSK_47]

Spoke to JVS after the game and he actually apologized for an ugly-frustrating game, we sit right next to the bench and often you hear the frustration from JVS because the players are not following the game plan and or constantly out of position.

We have to remember we have had a pretty major turnover of players this year, not only at the start but mid way through the season as well, it takes time to learn and remember these things but I think we are moving in the right direction under John.

my 2 cents.

But this is no different to his first two seasons and when he took over last season. It's the same shit and the same excuses. If the players listened to him we would be great. If the players fired up when he wanted them to we would be great. If he had a good squad we would be great. If we didn't have injuries we would be great.

Sorry man but heard it all before.

 

 

Man, look at the changes in the team this year on and off the pitch, it takes time, we have vastly improved as the season has gone on and we look a lot more settled. I think the fact we had Clisby, Jaliens, Novillo, Kennedy, Koren and even Brown to an extent on the pitch who hadn't played first half of the season or even train with us. To say that not a factor is silly, you have to judge a bloke on all factors and be realistic.

All factors are that we are nearing the end of the season and we sit 6th on the ladder, playing boring football against teams we should be beating easily and people are still making excuses for him (again).

Can't be bothered going over the same shit again and again but I can't imagine any other club with a "winning mentality" putting up with his current form especially when taking his previous stints into account.

[jw1739]

 

 

Spoke to JVS after the game and he actually apologized for an ugly-frustrating game, we sit right next to the bench and often you hear the frustration from JVS because the players are not following the game plan and or constantly out of position.

We have to remember we have had a pretty major turnover of players this year, not only at the start but mid way through the season as well, it takes time to learn and remember these things but I think we are moving in the right direction under John.

my 2 cents.

But this is no different to his first two seasons and when he took over last season. It's the same shit and the same excuses. If the players listened to him we would be great. If the players fired up when he wanted them to we would be great. If he had a good squad we would be great. If we didn't have injuries we would be great.

Sorry man but heard it all before.

 

 

Man, look at the changes in the team this year on and off the pitch, it takes time, we have vastly improved as the season has gone on and we look a lot more settled. I think the fact we had Clisby, Jaliens, Novillo, Kennedy, Koren and even Brown to an extent on the pitch who hadn't played first half of the season or even train with us. To say that not a factor is silly, you have to judge a bloke on all factors and be realistic.

Don't forget he's had a direct influence on this club for each of the five seasons. In S1 and  S2 he was our Head Coach, a number of the players in S3 were carry-overs from his signings, in S4 he was back as Technical Director/Consultant, then took over as Head Coach at the half-way mark when JA was sacked, and in S5 he's Head Coach again.

 

Merrick and Lowe have transformed Phoenix and Perth in one season or so. Even that bastard Muscat has Victory in second place on the ladder. Five years is enough and the time for excuses is over at City.

[Ruckoo]

What did you expect in our first season as City? You expect to win the league? was never going to happen mate. The signings that he has brought in on paper were fantastic, some have not worked out and I am not a Koren fan at all however Koren, Duff (under cap) and Kennedy are names that all of us thought would be great. Some times shit just doesn't work out.

[KSK_47]

What did you expect in our first season as City? You expect to win the league? was never going to happen mate. The signings that he has brought in on paper were fantastic, some have not worked out and I am not a Koren fan at all however Koren, Duff (under cap) and Kennedy are names that all of us thought would be great. Some times shit just doesn't work out.

I said at the start of the season 4th is a low pass. Anything else is not good enough. No excuses. I stand by that.

[Ruckoo]

 

 

 

Spoke to JVS after the game and he actually apologized for an ugly-frustrating game, we sit right next to the bench and often you hear the frustration from JVS because the players are not following the game plan and or constantly out of position.

We have to remember we have had a pretty major turnover of players this year, not only at the start but mid way through the season as well, it takes time to learn and remember these things but I think we are moving in the right direction under John.

my 2 cents.

But this is no different to his first two seasons and when he took over last season. It's the same shit and the same excuses. If the players listened to him we would be great. If the players fired up when he wanted them to we would be great. If he had a good squad we would be great. If we didn't have injuries we would be great.

Sorry man but heard it all before.

 

 

Man, look at the changes in the team this year on and off the pitch, it takes time, we have vastly improved as the season has gone on and we look a lot more settled. I think the fact we had Clisby, Jaliens, Novillo, Kennedy, Koren and even Brown to an extent on the pitch who hadn't played first half of the season or even train with us. To say that not a factor is silly, you have to judge a bloke on all factors and be realistic.

Don't forget he's had a direct influence on this club for each of the five seasons. In S1 and  S2 he was our Head Coach, a number of the players in S3 were carry-overs from his signings, in S4 he was back as Technical Director/Consultant, then took over as Head Coach at the half-way mark when JA was sacked, and in S5 he's Head Coach again.

 

Merrick and Lowe have transformed Phoenix and Perth in one season or so. Even that bastard Muscat has Victory in second place on the ladder. Five years is enough and the time for excuses is over at City.

 

 

I do get it man, lets see the dust settle from the whole club transformation is all I am saying, I think he has us moving in the right direction and Perth and Wellington have been very lucky with who they brought in to the clubs, they are all firing and a lot of them names that nobody would have thought to be playing as well as they are.

 

 

In saying that I am a huge Merrick fan and had said for a long time he was someone that City/Heart should have brought in but what do you do?

[Ruckoo]

 

What did you expect in our first season as City? You expect to win the league? was never going to happen mate. The signings that he has brought in on paper were fantastic, some have not worked out and I am not a Koren fan at all however Koren, Duff (under cap) and Kennedy are names that all of us thought would be great. Some times shit just doesn't work out.

I said at the start of the season 4th is a low pass. Anything else is not good enough. No excuses. I stand by that.

 

 

Yeah and that's cool man, all entitled to our opinions and all that

[jw1739]

What did you expect in our first season as City? You expect to win the league? was never going to happen mate. The signings that he has brought in on paper were fantastic, some have not worked out and I am not a Koren fan at all however Koren, Duff (under cap) and Kennedy are names that all of us thought would be great. Some times shit just doesn't work out.

No, I did not expect us to win the league. In fact if you look at my prediction for us it's pretty close to what has transpired. Because we still have a Head Coach who is not a winner.

[KSK_47]

Fair enough. We will agree to disagree here. IMO if we are heading in the right direction (and I am not convinced we are) we are moving way too slowly.

But that could just be because of previous frustrations. I'm not exactly rational when it comes to sport.

[cadete]

What did you expect in our first season as City? You expect to win the league? was never going to happen mate. The signings that he has brought in on paper were fantastic, some have not worked out and I am not a Koren fan at all however Koren, Duff (under cap) and Kennedy are names that all of us thought would be great. Some times shit just doesn't work out.

To see a final in the flesh... as in a Home Final or one not played in Perth or Wellington so I can attend the match and with the League's final six system, the current squad and new CFG setup this hardly a huge achievement.

 

That was the same aim that I and most other Heart/City fans that I know have had prior to the commencement of every one of our crappy Seasons.

Edited March 30, 2015 by cadete

[n i k o]

What did you expect in our first season as City? You expect to win the league? was never going to happen mate. The signings that he has brought in on paper were fantastic, some have not worked out and I am not a Koren fan at all however Koren, Duff (under cap) and Kennedy are names that all of us thought would be great. Some times shit just doesn't work out.

Well I expect JVS to know more about players he is signing than I do. I don't get paid to know these things so I don't know if Koren will perform well or if Kennedy will either. But JVS should know better, and it's safe to say based on the current evidence he has got this wrong.

[Ruckoo]

 

What did you expect in our first season as City? You expect to win the league? was never going to happen mate. The signings that he has brought in on paper were fantastic, some have not worked out and I am not a Koren fan at all however Koren, Duff (under cap) and Kennedy are names that all of us thought would be great. Some times shit just doesn't work out.

To see a final in the flesh... as in a Home Final or one not played in Perth or Wellington so I can attend the match and with the League's final six system, the current squad and new CFG setup this hardly a huge achievement.

 

That was the same aim that I and most other Heart/City fans that I know have had prior to the commencement of every one of our crappy Seasons.

 

haha mate, I feel you, been there from day dot too.

 

 

 

What did you expect in our first season as City? You expect to win the league? was never going to happen mate. The signings that he has brought in on paper were fantastic, some have not worked out and I am not a Koren fan at all however Koren, Duff (under cap) and Kennedy are names that all of us thought would be great. Some times shit just doesn't work out.

Well I expect JVS to know more about players he is signing than I do. I don't get paid to know these things so I don't know if Koren will perform well or if Kennedy will either. But JVS should know better, and it's safe to say based on the current evidence he has got this wrong.

 

 

Well I thought Koren was a brilliant signing as had seen him play in the UK let alone Duff under cap.

[SF33]

I'm behind JVS for the rest of the season. He's (pretty much) booked a ticket to the finals and our best season ever. Not exactly worthy of a ticker tape parade, but a positive step.

 

If we were languishing with Central Coast, Newcastle and West Sydney, it would be a different story to me, but he's given us a chance to make this a really positive season. I don't see why we couldn't knock off any of our potential opponents in the first week of finals (and how sweet would a win at Etihad be?). In the next couple of weeks, we should pretty much have everyone back and ready to go. It's just my opinion but I hope JVS does as well as possible from here. If we were in no-man's land (yet again) it would be different. And if that means he gets extended and it all goes to shit next year, well that's a risk I'm willing to take.

Edited March 30, 2015 by SF33

[malloy]

I'm behind JVS for the rest of the season. He's (pretty much) booked a ticket to the finals and our best season ever. Not exactly worthy of a ticker tape parade, but a positive step.

If we were languishing with Central Coast, Newcastle and West Sydney, it would be a different story to me, but he's given us a chance to make this a really positive season. I don't see why we couldn't knock off any of any of our potential opponents in the first week of finals (and how sweet would a win at Etihad be?). In the next couple of weeks, we should pretty much have everyone back and ready to go. It's just my opinion but I hope JVS does as well as possible from here. If we were in no-man's land (yet again) it would be different. And if that means he gets extended and it all goes to shit next year, well that's a risk I'm willing to take.

Until we progress from the first round of finals or finish higher than 6th the season can only be at best on par with our second season.

And lets be honest our best finish is 6th, which is below average and not an achievement

[SF33]

 

I'm behind JVS for the rest of the season. He's (pretty much) booked a ticket to the finals and our best season ever. Not exactly worthy of a ticker tape parade, but a positive step.

If we were languishing with Central Coast, Newcastle and West Sydney, it would be a different story to me, but he's given us a chance to make this a really positive season. I don't see why we couldn't knock off any of any of our potential opponents in the first week of finals (and how sweet would a win at Etihad be?). In the next couple of weeks, we should pretty much have everyone back and ready to go. It's just my opinion but I hope JVS does as well as possible from here. If we were in no-man's land (yet again) it would be different. And if that means he gets extended and it all goes to shit next year, well that's a risk I'm willing to take.

Until we progress from the first round of finals or finish higher than 6th the season can only be at best on par with our second season.

And lets be honest our best finish is 6th, which is below average and not an achievement

 

 

Depends on how you look at it. In 2011-12 Heart finished on 37 points with nine wins. This year we're on 33 points with nine wins and four games remaining. My memory is also that no-one gave us a hope in hell of beating Perth in the last final we played, because we absolutely staggered to the line and just scraped in to the finals. I think there are signs with this team that some serious momentum can be built for the finals now, we have won big away games this year and I wouldn't say an away final against any of the possible opponents is a hopeless cause.

 

I agree that the result of the first final will ultimately tell the tail on whether it has been a successful or unsuccessful season, but sixth is a hell of a lot better than where we've been for the past couple of years.

[Jimmy]

We can still technically win the premiership

[KSK_47]

I'm behind JVS for the rest of the season. He's (pretty much) booked a ticket to the finals and our best season ever. Not exactly worthy of a ticker tape parade, but a positive step.

 

 

Just a simple send off from the steps of parliament will do

[Deviant]

 

I'm behind JVS for the rest of the season. He's (pretty much) booked a ticket to the finals and our best season ever. Not exactly worthy of a ticker tape parade, but a positive step.

 

 

Just a simple send off from the steps of parliament will do

 

For some reason i read 'tape' as 'rape'. 

 

Ticker rape parade to rival the mardigras and the Australian Open... and to be held along side moomba, headlined by Shane Warne and Lara Bingle.

[n i k o]

In tennis a study was done with 500 coaches as the sample, they were asked to identify a problem with a player and see if they could correctly identify it and also provide a solution to fixing it. Of the 500 coaches only 7% could immediately identify the problem but only 3% could make the corrections immediately to fix it. Of those other 93% a number of them later could identify the problem but this was through trial and error until it led them to the correct answer. The others couldn't identify the problem until it was pointed out to them.

Im of the belief that this applies to most coaches across sport and for me JVS is in that percentage that could identify the problem with more time but he wouldn't be one of those within the 7% that could immediately identify the problem. As with so many of his decisions and solutions they have come later down the track and not immediately. They have almost been knee jerk reactions, like our defensive woes at the beginning of the season or his decision to take on a harder approach following our loss to wellington. Ideally we want a coach that is part of the 3% group but at the very least we need a coach that can immediately identify the problem and initiate an immediate change.

Edited March 30, 2015 by n i k o

[belaguttman]

I'm behind JVS for the rest of the season. He's (pretty much) booked a ticket to the finals and our best season ever. Not exactly worthy of a ticker tape parade, but a positive step.

 

If we were languishing with Central Coast, Newcastle and West Sydney, it would be a different story to me, but he's given us a chance to make this a really positive season. I don't see why we couldn't knock off any of our potential opponents in the first week of finals (and how sweet would a win at Etihad be?). In the next couple of weeks, we should pretty much have everyone back and ready to go. It's just my opinion but I hope JVS does as well as possible from here. If we were in no-man's land (yet again) it would be different. And if that means he gets extended and it all goes to shit next year, well that's a risk I'm willing to take.

I don't want a coach who will get us to the finals, I want a coach who will win us the Premiership and championship, we don't have one.

[malloy]

In tennis a study was done with 500 coaches as the sample, they were asked to identify a problem with a player and see if they could correctly identify it and also provide a solution to fixing it. Of the 500 coaches only 7% could immediately identify the problem but only 3% could make the corrections immediately to fix it. Of those other 93% a number of them later could identify the problem but this was through trial and error until it led them to the correct answer. The others couldn't identify the problem until it was pointed out to them.

Im of the belief that this applies to most coaches across sport and for me JVS is in that percentage that could identify the problem with more time but he wouldn't be one of those within the 7% that could immediately identify the problem. As with so many of his decisions and solutions they have come later down the track and not immediately. They have almost been knee jerk reactions, like our defensive woes at the beginning of the season or his decision to take on a harder approach following our loss to wellington. Ideally we want a coach that is part of the 3% group but at the very least we need a coach that can immediately identify the problem and initiate an immediate change.

I don't think we necessarily need a coach in the 3%. As long as the coach is one that can man manage and implement the 'fixes' and surrounds himself with highly capable assistants who can identify the issues.

IMO JVS is some one who has a good technical understanding of the game, but has no idea of how to translate this understanding onto the pitch. Either through adequate instructions to the players or through trying to minimise the impact of their inadequacies (and yes every one in our team has some form of inadequacy otherwise they would not be playing in A-League). It is for this reason I do not think he is the one to take us forward.

Edit: Part of the reason I think he has kept his job for so long and is regarded alot higher than his capability is because he has a strong technical knowledge and can demonstrate that he has it in a meeting with the board. But if you can't turn that into results then he shouldnt be around.

Edited March 30, 2015 by malloy