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Intresting to see the crackhead wearing no. 2 and Evens with no. 16, I know it doesn't mean much but trialists traditionally wear higher numbers...

Edit: Also, good to see they cut the shit, with Evans and Poole the two who seemed to have any decent pedigree.

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To be clear:

 

Melbourne City's official Twitter coverage:  https://twitter.com/MelbourneCity/with_replies

 

Oldham's official Twitter coverage: https://twitter.com/OfficialOAFC/with_replies

 

Some local media coverage: https://twitter.com/MENOAFC/with_replies

 

And Herald Sun coverage with Matt Windley on the ground: http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/go-behind-the-scenes-with-melbourne-city-on-tour-at-manchester-city/story-e6frf4gl-1226992036413

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Surely we're going to sign at least one of Evans, Poole and Chantler now, why else would they be trialing again? 

 

Going off what I've read, Evans seems to be the most talented but is far from a complete product whereas Poole is probably the most established player of the 3 although he reminds me a bit of the Hoff himself just looking at him ahaha. 

 

Chantler seems to be a bit of a wildcard, 100% agree with the Jesse Pinkman lookalike comparison made earlier in the thread.

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Good to hear that Mooy is doing very well. Given that we lost Engelaar, it would really help our team if Mooy could be one of our key players. I was hoping that under JVS and the possession style of football the team is being instructed to play that Mooy would flourish in the team (I think the style of football WSW held Mooy back a bit), and early indications are that that could be coming to pass.

 

The second half team according to Windley:

 

                Velaphi
Chantler Evans Kisnorbo Archibald

  Murdocca Kalmar

             Poole

Dugandzic Williams Retre 

 

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It sounds like Oldham have had more possession and the better of the game since we scored on the 48' minute.

 

The team has to learn to keep pushing to score more goals after gaining a lead. It isn't as easy as it sounds, and it's as much a habit/mentality as it is a tactic.

 

We were pegged back twice after scoring against Bury in our last match. Hopefully we don't throw away a lead again in this game because we sat back too much after scoring.

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Full time: 1-1

 

due to Oldham's late 85' minute equaliser from a set piece.

 

*sigh*

 

Some comments from Matt Windley summing up performances:

 

"I really liked James Poole's first half. He's drifted out it a bit in the second as he's dropped back in to that attacking midfield position. Ross Archibald's been fairly solid."

 

"[Retre] has gotten a lot of game time and yeah has played well... Officially still an NYL player but don't be surprised if he's upgraded."

 

"Williams and Dugandzic have looked dangerous whenever on the ball. Kisnorbo's been marshalling the defence pretty well. Murdocca industrious as always."

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Good to hear that Mooy is doing very well. Given that we lost Engelaar, it would really help our team if Mooy could be one of our key players. I was hoping that under JVS and the possession style of football the team is being instructed to play that Mooy would flourish in the team (I think the style of football WSW held Mooy back a bit), and early indications are that that could be coming to pass.

The second half team according to Windley:

Velaphi

Chantler Evans Kisnorbo Archibald

Murdocca Kalmar

Poole

Dugandzic Williams Retre

fixed.

As a pre-season training exercise it's surely about seeing how our fringe players are going to fit into the team come the start of HAL10. I'd expect a good few on this list won't be in our starting 11. If you add Mooy, Duff as starters, options with Mauk, Garuccio, Germano for example, then an International and Aussie marquee filling out key positions in attack and midfield you have a more solid outfit that will be able to hang onto a lead and threaten to score more goals. Edited by HEARTinator
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Pre-season been lackluster so far... drawing to teams you'd imagine we'd beat? Hopefully it's JVS having a laugh with line ups and subs etc

Have you seen the line ups and players not playing?

It's pre season. Very early into it. Results mean little right now.

It's been a solid hit out. Happy so far.

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Yeah, I'm not worried at all at this stage. 

 

Good to get some km's into the legs, create some match fitness and weed out the potential starters from the squad players for this season.

 

Games against clubs like Oldham and Bury (and Bolton to come) have got to be more beneficial for us than walloping the La Trobe University XI.

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Yeah, I'm not worried at all at this stage. 

 

Good to get some km's into the legs, create some match fitness and weed out the potential starters from the squad players for this season.

 

Games against clubs like Oldham and Bury (and Bolton to come) have got to be more beneficial for us than walloping the La Trobe University XI.

 

 

THE MIGHTY LATROBE UNIVERSITY XI?!

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Yeah, I'm not worried at all at this stage. 

 

Good to get some km's into the legs, create some match fitness and weed out the potential starters from the squad players for this season.

 

Games against clubs like Oldham and Bury (and Bolton to come) have got to be more beneficial for us than walloping the La Trobe University XI.

 

 

THE MIGHTY LATROBE UNIVERSITY XI?!

 

FORMIDABLE OPPONENTS INDUBITABLY! 

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Pre-season been lackluster so far... drawing to teams you'd imagine we'd beat? Hopefully it's JVS having a laugh with line ups and subs etc

Im not sure what level you think aus football is at yet. But having watched plenty of league one and a-league I can tell you that league one/lower championship is about our level.

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I understand peoples anxiety about the results and the lack of changes in terms of the squad so far.Bu,t Melburnian is right and we have two marquees and a visa spot left as well as one more Australian spot I think? I would think the last signings will basically determine how we are going to go this season. On the other hand, they are obviously trying to develop young players with the signings of Melling, Chapman and to a certain extent Brown. Along with Ivan Jolic, whom from all reports is very good at his job (developing young players) and he seems to be the liaison between the senior team and the youth team.  The problem with developing players, is that its going to take time. 

 

Plus we still have two months left till the season starts. Now I know there is the FFA cup but I am convinced most of the A-league clubs are treating it like apart of preseason whether we like it or not unfortunately. For us, Sydney will be without Ibini Oganovski and Abbas because of that nothing game in Sydney when we just lose our blast over the bar specialist. Plus they have to travel, so the advantage is definitely with us

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Considering they beat Newcastle the game before and we fielding a pretty average team a draw is a good result. If we where a month away from the season starting and delivering these performances then some real concern would be warranted but for now we are going ok

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Considering they beat Newcastle the game before and we fielding a pretty average team a draw is a good result. If we where a month away from the season starting and delivering these performances then some real concern would be warranted but for now we are going ok

1-1 result with a disruptive side, against a side who skill level would be about that of the a league, happy willo scored. I reckon duga is set up for a big reason, mooy is gonna be a beauty pick up. Yes still concerns with our back four and keeper but one stage of the season we went three games without conceding if we can channel that for 2 thirds of the season we will finish high up on the table.

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Considering they beat Newcastle the game before and we fielding a pretty average team a draw is a good result. If we where a month away from the season starting and delivering these performances then some real concern would be warranted but for now we are going ok

1-1 result with a disruptive side, against a side who skill level would be about that of the a league, happy willo scored. I reckon duga is set up for a big reason, mooy is gonna be a beauty pick up. Yes still concerns with our back four and keeper but one stage of the season we went three games without conceding if we can channel that for 2 thirds of the season we will finish high up on the table.

 

Exactly and despite the fact that we didn't beat Bury or Oldham, we still didn't lose. I can understand the frustration of being in front in both games and not winning but since it's preseason and the team is changing substantially within games, a draw is actually a pretty good result. But like others have said, results mean nothing at this stage. 

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I'd say that the disappointing things about the two matches so far in England are 1) our inability to hold on to a lead; 2) our vulnerability at set-pieces and crosses; and 3) our inability to put away gilt-edged chances. These problems have been with us for a long time, and reflect that lack of mental toughness that many of us have commented on over four seasons. To me fixing this mental fragility remains the number one priority at Melbourne City.

 

We are fairly obviously giving serious consideration to players such as George Evans and James Poole. However, it's going to be difficult to fit both of them in unless one of them can suddenly find that they are Australian after all. Germano, Wielaert and Duff occupy three of the five visa places. Villa will only not be a visa player if he is a guest, so if we assume he is indeed a guest then we still have two visa places remaining. If we sign both Evans and Poole than that would preclude the signing of a visa marquee. Conversely, if we still intend to sign a visa marquee, then only one of Evans or Poole can be signed.

 

I don't believe we can sign a non-Australian player to the NYL, unless someone can produce documentation to contradict that.

 

I'm just guessing but perhaps we are looking at George Evans in particular to join us in January 2015? 

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On reflection, drawing 1-1 against Oldham at their home stadium, who were nearly full strength, and who beat Newcastle United in their last hit-out, is simply a good result, no doubt about it.

 

And at this point in the pre-season it's about performances. And in particular the performances of fringe players and triallists. I don't see the likes of Retre, Archibald, Brown, Ramsay and the triallists Tom Poole and George Evans being certain starters next season, and they all started this game and played a good amount of minutes. So this match was about experimenting and looking at individual players.

 

Also, at least we are actually getting leads now. We lost 8 games and drew 4 under Aloisi in the first half of last season because we fell behind first in 9 out of those 12 matches (and 1 of the 3 other matches was a 0-0 draw). It's much better to be the team that takes leads in the first place, rather than the team that continuously has to come from behind.

 

I agree though that we're keen to see the club establish a habit (or 'mentality') of winning, and to be ruthless when we get a lead in games. It's very early stages though, and hopefully the team can hold on to these leads that we keep getting now by the start of the A-League season in October.

 

I think the absence of pre-season wins might sting a bit because I'm pretty certain that Melbourne Heart only got wins against state league sides over Melbourne Heart's 4 pre-seasons, and we're looking forward to the time when things are different and we notch up wins over teams that are better than state league sides in pre-season. And this absence of winning in pre-season against real opposition feels a bit too much like a Melbourne Heart pre-season.

 

We've got to improve the set piece defending. Maybe though it's kind of good that we're not conceding goals in open play, and we seem to be having the better of the general play in our pre-season games. I imagine our set piece defending will tighten up when we stop using experimental sides and we have a settled XI, as then the team will play a bit more as a unit.

 

 

So all up, there's a good deal more positives than negatives, and it quite conceivable that our negatives could be sorted out or minimised by the start of the A-League season. Having this amazing pre-season in Britain is a great new event for the team, and it's maybe difficult to measure and appreciate how big a positive impact this pre-season will have on the team. It would be nice though to see more clear signs that we're this powerful new club that are worthy of being the favourites to do very well and maybe even finish 1st next season, as betting agencies have recently made us favourites to do.

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