Melbourne Heart FC buy out - Man City, Melbourne City FC, etc.

[belaguttman]

Hello guys.  

 

 

City will not stop until your team is the best in the country and Asia you will be one of the biggest and best team in Asia 

zeven, welcome. The problem is that if it's called City and plays in light blue what will make it 'our team?'

Edited May 17, 2014 by belaguttman

[M13]

Zeven... You are confusing CFG with MCFC in your post I fear, CFG bought Heart I´m sure like how they own all teams in the group.

As to what degree they want the teams they own to look alike and share the same name that is yet to be seen

[Shahanga]

Zeven... You are confusing CFG with MCFC in your post I fear, CFG bought Heart I´m sure like how they own all teams in the group.

As to what degree they want the teams they own to look alike and share the same name that is yet to be seen

Actually all the reports we have is that Zeven is correct in this.  MCFC bought Melbourne Heart FC.  The term "CFG" was introduced to this forum by Man City fans for this ownership group, however to the best of my knowledge they are not the direct owners of Melbourne Heart FC. 

[M13]

To my knowledge MCFC owns nothing outside of Manchester..

"Given the unique nature of the new City Football Group structure – which incorporates MCFC, New York City, Melbourne Heart and a number of other companies, the Club has agreed to certain non-material terms in order to make FFP reporting as easy as possible for UEFA to discern"

[belaguttman]

Does CFG also own the Sheikh's team in Abu Dhabi?

[M13]

Aljazira FC is not owned by Sheikh Mansour.. He just pay the bills

[zeven]

To my knowledge MCFC owns nothing outside of Manchester..

"Given the unique nature of the new City Football Group structure – which incorporates MCFC, New York City, Melbourne Heart and a number of other companies, the Club has agreed to certain non-material terms in order to make FFP reporting as easy as possible for UEFA to discern"

City Created CFG to make it easier to manage the new direction we are going.  CFG is a holding company,  I did the same with my company, reason to keep the accounts separete but still making it easy to relocate money and resources.  So manchester city footballl club does not own Melbourne city  CFG does but CFG is just a company created by city themselves.  

[zeven]

 

Zeven... You are confusing CFG with MCFC in your post I fear, CFG bought Heart I´m sure like how they own all teams in the group.

As to what degree they want the teams they own to look alike and share the same name that is yet to be seen

Actually all the reports we have is that Zeven is correct in this.  MCFC bought Melbourne Heart FC.  The term "CFG" was introduced to this forum by Man City fans for this ownership group, however to the best of my knowledge they are not the direct owners of Melbourne Heart FC. 

 

This is correct.  Manchester city created CFG to make it easer to manage all clubs. CFG is now the owner.  

[HEARTinator]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Football_Group

I think this explains it somewhat. HeartFC is part of the City Football Group, created to warehouse ManC,HeartFC and NewYork.

[silva10]

 

A small mention of Heart in Man City's statement regarding FFP:

 

- Given the unique nature of the new City Football Group structure – which incorporates MCFC, New York City, Melbourne Heart and a number of other companies, the Club has agreed to certain non-material terms in order to make FFP reporting as easy as possible for UEFA to discern.

http://www.mcfc.co.uk/news/club-news/2014/may/club-statement-16-may

 

 

Pretty vague, and without knowing what the terms are it's hard to discern what this means, and what the impacts might be.

 

2 guesses of mine are that Man City won't be so vague next time if/when they mention sales from Man City to Melbourne Heart, like the much discussed £22.45m ($40m AUD) "sale of intellectual property to related parties". A second guess is that perhaps there won't be such big intra-company business in the first place (especially with regards to unclear intellectual property sales).

You'd wonder then if Heart is as necessary to CFG as they had originally hoped when they bought the franchise license. If it isn't then it opens a number of possibilities.

 

Bela, Heart wasn't bought to circumvent FFP.....but with a longer term vision about creating a football dynasty worldwide

 

Basically, having a number of teams playing with a similar philosophy so that they can produce quality players without having to spend lavish sums of money on transfers.

[M13]

ADUG itself created CFG outright... In many ways it´s just of academical interests but CFG and say MCFC Ltd are two different companies meaning for instance that Uefa can never poke their noses in what CFG are doing anywhere but in Europe and that only in regards to MCFC.

[HEARTinator]

A small mention of Heart in Man City's statement regarding FFP:

- Given the unique nature of the new City Football Group structure – which incorporates MCFC, New York City, Melbourne Heart and a number of other companies, the Club has agreed to certain non-material terms in order to make FFP reporting as easy as possible for UEFA to discern.

http://www.mcfc.co.uk/news/club-news/2014/may/club-statement-16-may

Pretty vague, and without knowing what the terms are it's hard to discern what this means, and what the impacts might be.

2 guesses of mine are that Man City won't be so vague next time if/when they mention sales from Man City to Melbourne Heart, like the much discussed £22.45m ($40m AUD) "sale of intellectual property to related parties". A second guess is that perhaps there won't be such big intra-company business in the first place (especially with regards to unclear intellectual property sales).

You'd wonder then if Heart is as necessary to CFG as they had originally hoped when they bought the franchise license. If it isn't then it opens a number of possibilities.

Bela, Heart wasn't bought to circumvent FFP.....but with a longer term vision about creating a football dynasty worldwide

Basically, having a number of teams playing with a similar philosophy so that they can produce quality players without having to spend lavish sums of money on transfers. Yes, one way to look at this is to see HeartFC and NYC FC as incubators, testing out young talent to see if they are capable of taking the next step to EPL level. HeartFC scouts Asia and NYC FC has the Americas. All wearing the sky blue kit for consistency and brand identification and the greater glory of MCFC and the Sheikh

Edited May 17, 2014 by HEARTinator

[zeven]

 

 

 

A small mention of Heart in Man City's statement regarding FFP:

 

- Given the unique nature of the new City Football Group structure – which incorporates MCFC, New York City, Melbourne Heart and a number of other companies, the Club has agreed to certain non-material terms in order to make FFP reporting as easy as possible for UEFA to discern.

http://www.mcfc.co.uk/news/club-news/2014/may/club-statement-16-may

Pretty vague, and without knowing what the terms are it's hard to discern what this means, and what the impacts might be.

2 guesses of mine are that Man City won't be so vague next time if/when they mention sales from Man City to Melbourne Heart, like the much discussed £22.45m ($40m AUD) "sale of intellectual property to related parties". A second guess is that perhaps there won't be such big intra-company business in the first place (especially with regards to unclear intellectual property sales). You'd wonder then if Heart is as necessary to CFG as they had originally hoped when they bought the franchise license. If it isn't then it opens a number of possibilities. Bela, Heart wasn't bought to circumvent FFP.....but with a longer term vision about creating a football dynasty worldwide

Basically, having a number of teams playing with a similar philosophy so that they can produce quality players without having to spend lavish sums of money on transfers. Yes, one way to look at this is to see HeartFC and NYC FC as incubators, testing out young talent to see if they are capable of taking the next step to EPL level. HeartFC scouts Asia and NYC FC has the Americas. All wearing the sky blue kit for consistency and brand identification and the greater glory of MCFC and the Sheikh

 

But you are wrong.  Melbourne will get more out of City than city will get out of Melbourne.  

[belaguttman]

It would be nice to hear from the franchise owners now and then.

[M13]

Brace yourself Bela.. When they get moving things tend to get hectic

[Falastur]

At the end of each season, Khaldoon, our chairman (Soriano is the CEO) always gives a 20-minute video interview about future plans. His interviews are praised by City fans for their eloquence, intelligence, rationality and farsightedness. I do wonder if he will start to do the same for the Heart.

[M13]

@Falastur

At a guess they will touch on the whole group.. The one last year dwelled a lot on New York as I recall it.

[BlueWolf]

 

 

 

 

A small mention of Heart in Man City's statement regarding FFP:

 

- Given the unique nature of the new City Football Group structure – which incorporates MCFC, New York City, Melbourne Heart and a number of other companies, the Club has agreed to certain non-material terms in order to make FFP reporting as easy as possible for UEFA to discern.

http://www.mcfc.co.uk/news/club-news/2014/may/club-statement-16-may

Pretty vague, and without knowing what the terms are it's hard to discern what this means, and what the impacts might be.

2 guesses of mine are that Man City won't be so vague next time if/when they mention sales from Man City to Melbourne Heart, like the much discussed £22.45m ($40m AUD) "sale of intellectual property to related parties". A second guess is that perhaps there won't be such big intra-company business in the first place (especially with regards to unclear intellectual property sales). You'd wonder then if Heart is as necessary to CFG as they had originally hoped when they bought the franchise license. If it isn't then it opens a number of possibilities. Bela, Heart wasn't bought to circumvent FFP.....but with a longer term vision about creating a football dynasty worldwide

Basically, having a number of teams playing with a similar philosophy so that they can produce quality players without having to spend lavish sums of money on transfers. Yes, one way to look at this is to see HeartFC and NYC FC as incubators, testing out young talent to see if they are capable of taking the next step to EPL level. HeartFC scouts Asia and NYC FC has the Americas. All wearing the sky blue kit for consistency and brand identification and the greater glory of MCFC and the Sheikh

 

But you are wrong.  Melbourne will get more out of City than city will get out of Melbourne.  

 

 

Football-wise I agree, non-football-wise I disagree.

[jw1739]

It would be nice to hear from the franchise owners now and then.

Yeah, to quote the old song "Once in a while won't you give just one little thought to me...."

[HEARTinator]

 

 

 

 

 

A small mention of Heart in Man City's statement regarding FFP:

 

- Given the unique nature of the new City Football Group structure – which incorporates MCFC, New York City, Melbourne Heart and a number of other companies, the Club has agreed to certain non-material terms in order to make FFP reporting as easy as possible for UEFA to discern.

http://www.mcfc.co.uk/news/club-news/2014/may/club-statement-16-may

Pretty vague, and without knowing what the terms are it's hard to discern what this means, and what the impacts might be.

2 guesses of mine are that Man City won't be so vague next time if/when they mention sales from Man City to Melbourne Heart, like the much discussed £22.45m ($40m AUD) "sale of intellectual property to related parties". A second guess is that perhaps there won't be such big intra-company business in the first place (especially with regards to unclear intellectual property sales). You'd wonder then if Heart is as necessary to CFG as they had originally hoped when they bought the franchise license. If it isn't then it opens a number of possibilities. Bela, Heart wasn't bought to circumvent FFP.....but with a longer term vision about creating a football dynasty worldwide

Basically, having a number of teams playing with a similar philosophy so that they can produce quality players without having to spend lavish sums of money on transfers. Yes, one way to look at this is to see HeartFC and NYC FC as incubators, testing out young talent to see if they are capable of taking the next step to EPL level. HeartFC scouts Asia and NYC FC has the Americas. All wearing the sky blue kit for consistency and brand identification and the greater glory of MCFC and the Sheikh

 

But you are wrong.  Melbourne will get more out of City than city will get out of Melbourne.  

 

 

Football-wise I agree, non-football-wise I disagree.

 

The supporters on this forum are wrestling with the off-field issues like identity, culture, respect for the fans. As for on-field stuff, I'm expecting the team to lift it's performances, especially since we'll be replacing our wheelie bin ice baths with proper tubs FFS  

[Kiro Kompiro]

 

 

 

 

 

 

A small mention of Heart in Man City's statement regarding FFP:

 

- Given the unique nature of the new City Football Group structure – which incorporates MCFC, New York City, Melbourne Heart and a number of other companies, the Club has agreed to certain non-material terms in order to make FFP reporting as easy as possible for UEFA to discern.

http://www.mcfc.co.uk/news/club-news/2014/may/club-statement-16-may

Pretty vague, and without knowing what the terms are it's hard to discern what this means, and what the impacts might be.

2 guesses of mine are that Man City won't be so vague next time if/when they mention sales from Man City to Melbourne Heart, like the much discussed £22.45m ($40m AUD) "sale of intellectual property to related parties". A second guess is that perhaps there won't be such big intra-company business in the first place (especially with regards to unclear intellectual property sales). You'd wonder then if Heart is as necessary to CFG as they had originally hoped when they bought the franchise license. If it isn't then it opens a number of possibilities. Bela, Heart wasn't bought to circumvent FFP.....but with a longer term vision about creating a football dynasty worldwide

Basically, having a number of teams playing with a similar philosophy so that they can produce quality players without having to spend lavish sums of money on transfers. Yes, one way to look at this is to see HeartFC and NYC FC as incubators, testing out young talent to see if they are capable of taking the next step to EPL level. HeartFC scouts Asia and NYC FC has the Americas. All wearing the sky blue kit for consistency and brand identification and the greater glory of MCFC and the Sheikh

 

But you are wrong.  Melbourne will get more out of City than city will get out of Melbourne.  

 

 

Football-wise I agree, non-football-wise I disagree.

 

The supporters on this forum are wrestling with the off-field issues like identity, culture, respect for the fans. As for on-field stuff, I'm expecting the team to lift it's performances, especially since we'll be replacing our wheelie bin ice baths with proper tubs FFS  

 

 

hate to burst your bubble but there are photo's out there with City players in plastic boxes.  

 

Unlike our Deluxe Calais Ghia models, City players have to kneel in them and....wheels do not come as standard.

 

No doubt this was part of the Heart IP City bought, so expect some Melbourne City.. .Council property to show up in Manchester at Etihad when pre-season begins

[Kiro Kompiro]

One more thing.  The lack of news is really not that puzzling.

 

1.  The rights issue wrt the City name has not been resolved, so nothing to tell there.  With no name officially, how can they announce a jersey, crest or colors?

 

2.  They have been busy setting up a NYC.  The US is  a tough nut to crack, so we must understand their efforts are focused there for now.

 

3.  The small matter of the EPL title.

 

So just chill.

[belaguttman]

I don't have an issue with any of that, my concern is that apart form one meeting with the FRG, the franchise owners have said nothing to us in 6 months. Even a new comment that they realises that we need to remain patient and that news will follow is better than no comment at all

[schrecky]

I don't have an issue with any of that, my concern is that apart form one meeting with the FRG, the franchise owners have said nothing to us in 6 months. Even a new comment that they realises that we need to remain patient and that news will follow is better than no comment at all

 

What if there is nothing to tell.  Everyone is assuming a big change is comming. 

What if the change of ownership is the only thing that changes , everything else  stays the same. 

 

We know the coach is the same, Management would have changed by now if that was going to happen.  3/4's of the team is the same.

The only 2 things i can see announcemnts forthcomming are for a few new players - that happens every year anyway and possibly a training venue change - that also happened last year!

 

The kit will change in some form - that also happens every 2 years . An annoucement is always made about that when it happens.

 

So the only earth shattering announcment might be if we change from heart to city..

 

 

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[GreenSeater]

One more thing.  The lack of news is really not that puzzling.

 

1.  The rights issue wrt the City name has not been resolved, so nothing to tell there.  With no name officially, how can they announce a jersey, crest or colors?

 

2.  They have been busy setting up a NYC.  The US is  a tough nut to crack, so we must understand their efforts are focused there for now.

 

3.  The small matter of the EPL title.

 

So just chill.

NYC don't start competitive football until 2015. Our next competitive match is in July. It seems to me that we should be recieving a little more urgency than a club that doesn't even properly exist yet.

[jw1739]

One more thing.  The lack of news is really not that puzzling.

 

1.  The rights issue wrt the City name has not been resolved, so nothing to tell there.  With no name officially, how can they announce a jersey, crest or colors?

 

2.  They have been busy setting up a NYC.  The US is  a tough nut to crack, so we must understand their efforts are focused there for now.

 

3.  The small matter of the EPL title.

 

So just chill.

KK, the issue is not "news" or "announcements" per se. The issue is keeping in touch with the supporter base here in Australia. IMO Heart HQ has never been much good at it, and since our season ended in March they have been worse than I could have possibly imagined.

 

We don't have much of an established following here. It doesn't make sense to me to just ignore us for weeks on end. Just for example, news that our assistant coach has left, and that we have signed a couple of players, should not be influenced by what goes on in Manchester or New York. Would that be too hard for Heart HQ?

 

My biggest disappointment so far is that I cannot see that anyone has been inserted into the Heart administration who will actually get the club moving so that it will grow.

Edited May 18, 2014 by jw1739

[Jestr]

If they expect to grow members numbers in the new season, keeping everyone in the dark is the most counter productive method possible.

[Heart of Melbourne]

Agree with Jestr, very good point. Expecting some announcements this week.

[HeartFc]

Hearing there'll be some news this week so hang tight!

[HeartLand]

Hearing there'll be some news this week so hang tight!

Who are you hearing this from?

[belaguttman]

well there was 1 tweet from the franchise last week, a big improvement

[kingofhearts]

Hearing there'll be some news this week so hang tight!

Fucking hope so, sick of every thread on here being turned into 'heart don't communicate with us enough' bitch thread.

[M13]

Right now there´s a thread on Bluemoon where people are complaining that New York and Melbourne gets a lot more communication with the top brass than the local MCFC fans..

[belaguttman]

You mean that MCFC fans have had less than 1 communication in 6 months?

[M13]

lol.. Many would say that it´s a once a year event in Manchester if you talk serious stuff. and we are expecting that any day now.
You lot had a FRG meeting with Simon Pearce for instance, don´t think any CFG board member have ever sat down with fans in Manchester, mainly because they are busy running multinational companies, representing prestigious law firms or attending financial conferences etc.

But then there´s the constant but minor flow of ordinary information on stuff like twitter, facebook or our numerous websites as well

[Falastur]

I was about to say the same as M13. You guys might as well read the thread for yourselves - it gives a range of opinions on the silence and might actually be more instructive than you'd think:

http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=301731

Just bear in mind that the OP (fbloke) can be a bit of an attention-seeker with his posts and his high profile on the forum, and his comments are likely more an attempt at creating debate than actively demanding a response from the club.

Edited May 18, 2014 by Falastur

[zeven]

its been a busy couple of weeks up until now.  I believe, start monday  all three clubs will start to hear from them 

Edited May 18, 2014 by zeven

[n i k o]

I couldn't give a shit that news isn't coming out. As long as when it comes out it's news regarding great signings that will lead us towards being a top class team/club and silver wear . I'm happy to wait.

[fiz.heart]

Sky blue home tops and white shorts confirmed by Paddy Kisnorbo. Nike is our kit maker.

[morphine]

Hey Paddy.