AlexDaGroza Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Probably has something to do with the national premier league starting up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmissionary Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Board meeting yesterday. All mail seems to say that they overturned the initial decision to allow Heart to put a team in the league. Yep, decision has been overturned. The FFV president Nick Monteleone sent a letter to the affected clubs, which included this passage FFV management had no authority to make this decision FFV management failed to gain the approval of the FFV CEO or Board FFV management undertook no consultation with State League 2 clubs or the Men’s Standing Committee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Disappointing for us obviously, but a fair call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 I guess will have to wait a year for Winter Football as Heart Supporters... Back to: Juve!, Juve!, Juve! for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozza Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Insanely shattered! Could Heart still just put a team in at the bottom? I guess they would get consistent game play but not a great level of quality... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 ...and they'd have to play against a few notable forum members... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozza Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 No chance then! They'd be fucked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imonyarraside Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Red Devils to play Melbourne Heart's youth Feb. 15, 2013, 10 p.m. BALLARAT Red Devils will play two games against Melbourne Heart’s youth team this Football Federation Victoria men’s state league two season. The Haymes Red Devils take on the A-League side’s youngsters in rounds 10 and 22, with venues yet to be confirmed. Heart’s A-League contracted players will not play for the club in state league matches. “Personally I see this as a great opportunity for our club to take on Melbourne Heart in a real match,” Ballarat president Jamie Winton said. “We look forward to playing them as this will be some of the best 18 and 19-year-old players in Victoria playing against, to be honest, our young team. We have lost a few of our older players from last season so these matches will be a real test for the players.” Ballarat will start its league season on April 6 against La Trobe University followed a week later by a match against relegated outfit Whittlesea Ranges. RED DEVILS FIXTUREThe team will have a pre-season hit-out away to Melton today, before a home clash with Moreland Zebras on February 24. The Reds’ final pre-season match will be away to Geelong on March 28. Round 1: April 6 v La Trobe University (h), round 2: April 13 v Whittlesea Ranges (a), round 3: April 20 v Preston Lions (h), round 4: April 27 v Altona East Phoenix (a), round 5: May 11 v Moreland City (h), round 6: May 18 v Brunswick City (a), round 7: May 25 v Keilor Park (h), round 8: June 1 v Fitzroy City (a), round 9: June 15 v Avondale Heights (h), round 10: June 19 v Melbourne Heart Youth (h), round 11: June 29 v Westgate (h), round 12: July 6 v La Trobe University (a), round 13: July 13 v Whittlesea Ranges (h), round 14: July 21 v Preston Lions (a), round 15: July 27 v Altona East (h), round 16: August 3 v Moreland City (a), round 17: August 10 v Brunswick City (h), round 18: August 17 v Keilor Park (a), round 19: August 24 v Fitzroy City (h), round 20: August 31 v Avondale Heights (a), round 21: September 14 v Sydenham Park (h), round 22: September 21 v Westgate (a) http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/1305232/red-devils-to-play-melbourne-hearts-youth/?cs=63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPM Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 This didn't last long http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/melbourneheart/news-display/Hearts-participation-in-State-League-Two-revoked/61124 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Yep, just announced on Twitter too: Melbourne Heart FC @MelbourneHeart NEWS | Heart has been advised by the Board of FFV that its participation in State League Two has been revoked http://bit.ly/UxbVoq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 LOL WTF???? this is a fucking joke. Fold the club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marn11 Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Yeah. It's the clubs fault... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) Yeah. It's the clubs fault... Well whos to blame them???? I just don't understand why this has happened. Do you know anymore details??? Edited February 18, 2013 by kingofhearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marn11 Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Only thing the club is guilty of is trying to improve our youth development further. Without looking into it too much, it looks like clubs in state league 2 object to the inconvenience a Heart team would cause them. Fair enough, just unfortunate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sash Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Yeah. It's the clubs fault... Well whos to blame them???? I just don't understand why this has happened. Do you know anymore details??? If you read the last couple of pages of this thread, you'll get the gist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozza Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Yeah. It's the clubs fault... Well whos to blame them???? I just don't understand why this has happened. Do you know anymore details??? FFV's fault, lack of communication between parties within the FFV. Absolutely nothing to do with Heart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 Due to the changing of the system next year which will see the structure of the leagues change dramatically, interesting to know how much JD new ahead of time considering the decision was made not to wait for another year. The clubs kicked up a fuss (three clubs in particular). Excellent idea from the club, doomed from the start as the clubs still have no connection with FFV whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKD Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 Due to the changing of the system next year which will see the structure of the leagues change dramatically, interesting to know how much JD new ahead of time considering the decision was made not to wait for another year. The clubs kicked up a fuss (three clubs in particular). Excellent idea from the club, doomed from the start as the clubs still have no connection with FFV whatsoever. Interested to know which clubs voiced their concern. Any details? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Until I die Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 I beleive that the heart senior team and victory should play in FFV knockout cup 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 Due to the changing of the system next year which will see the structure of the leagues change dramatically, interesting to know how much JD new ahead of time considering the decision was made not to wait for another year. The clubs kicked up a fuss (three clubs in particular). Excellent idea from the club, doomed from the start as the clubs still have no connection with FFV whatsoever. Interested to know which clubs voiced their concern. Any details? One club in the division had serious reservations and two clubs from VPL thought it was entirely ridiculous for them not having to start from the bottom of the pyramid. To the best of my knowledge, Melbourne Heart was given no chance to defend themselves in the meetings that FFV had while there were representatives from clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmissionary Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 Some members of FFV management made a decision they were not authorised to make, and without consulting any of the relevant parties. FFV board overturned the decision. Fairly straightforward. Not sure why Heart should get the chance to defend themselves. They are not affiliated with the FFV, and the rights of the affiliated clubs should come first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbobbobmarley Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Just like with Grella, Neil and Beckham: That went well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Self interest once again triumphs over football. Its a miracle the game has got as far as it has the way its administered in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samardzija Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 In all fairness if heart wanted a team in the state league system it's only fair they start from the bottom and work there way up. It'd be different if they 'merged' with another club or set up a system where we loan out players during the state league season. It's unfair for clubs who bust there asses in the lower leagues for heart to just stroll in and start up in state 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozza Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 In all fairness if heart wanted a team in the state league system it's only fair they start from the bottom and work there way up. It'd be different if they 'merged' with another club or set up a system where we loan out players during the state league season. It's unfair for clubs who bust there asses in the lower leagues for heart to just stroll in and start up in state 2. I think the only fair way to do it, is for heart to have a reserve team in the VPL, that can not be demoted or promoted (if and when that is an option) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samardzija Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 16-19 year old kids (which will make up most of the squad I assume) will struggle bigtime to stay in the epl, they would struggle to stay in state 1. And what's the point in having them in the vpl if they can't get relegated? Players have nothing to play for and defeats the whole purpose of putting a team in the Victorian system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozza Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 16-19 year old kids (which will make up most of the squad I assume) will struggle bigtime to stay in the epl, they would struggle to stay in state 1. And what's the point in having them in the vpl if they can't get relegated? Players have nothing to play for and defeats the whole purpose of putting a team in the Victorian system. The entire point is player development. We can come last every season for all I care, so long as the players are being developed the right way. I dare say though, with a good chunk of Youth talent at our finger tips, and if it were done well, we would probably do OK in the VPL. But it's not about the winning. AIS has had some of the best players go through their ranks, and their NYL team is pretty much the shittest for points on the board each week... just saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmissionary Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 AIS (and NTC) had very erratic lineups during their VPL stints. When they were playing for points (without being able to get relegated), it caused an issue because you wouldn't know how strong their team would be week to week. In addition, because they don't get paid, it's tempting for an NTC player to move to a club (even if they have to drop a level or two) that will pay them for their troubles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 AIS (and NTC) had very erratic lineups during their VPL stints. When they were playing for points (without being able to get relegated), it caused an issue because you wouldn't know how strong their team would be week to week. In addition, because they don't get paid, it's tempting for an NTC player to move to a club (even if they have to drop a level or two) that will pay them for their troubles. Exactly this, Temptation is a powerful thing in sport - Just ask the ACT Comets... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 AIS (and NTC) had very erratic lineups during their VPL stints. When they were playing for points (without being able to get relegated), it caused an issue because you wouldn't know how strong their team would be week to week. That was the only decent argument I saw against the scheme. Imagine your club is striving for promotion, or worse to stay up, When you play Heart you come up against a line up that includes the likes of say Walker, Garuccio et al "because they need a run". Next week your rivals play a bunch of U16 year olds. I'm sorry though I just don't understand the "start at the bottom philosophy" - this is an A League club, not a new community club- do you you really want our future socceroos playing in Prov State League 3? How would that help football in Australia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dRoy Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 Start at the bottom. Could win every game 5-0. What does that achieve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 Start at the bottom. Could win every game 5-0. What does that achieve? No need to start at the bottom as we will be in the Elite system in 2014, If PPL want to watch Soccer in Winter in 2013 they should get down and watch the VPL/SL1 as it will their last chance of seeing the local game in this form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmissionary Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) I'm sorry though I just don't understand the "start at the bottom philosophy" - this is an A League club, not a new community club- do you you really want our future socceroos playing in Prov State League 3? How would that help football in Australia? How much are they going to learn in state league 2? There are already provisions in the regulations for an A-League side to be included in the VPL, in the event that they get relegated or wish to field a senior or under 21s team. 1.2.5. If a Victorian Club or Clubs is relegated from the A-League then it or they shall be placed only in the VPL and FFV may increase the size of the VPL or relegate Clubs from the VPL and subsequently lower leagues to accommodate the A-League Club or Clubs that enter the VPL. 1.2.6. FFV may in its absolute discretion extend the VPL competition if it accepts an application from or on behalf of a Victorian A-League Club to field a senior and/or Under 21 team in the VPL for the following season provided notice of its intention to do so is published and distributed to all VPL Clubs not less than 14 days prior to the start of the forthcoming VPL season. There is no provision as far as I'm aware for it to happen in the state leagues. Whether one was for this move or not, it was conducted exceedingly poorly. While the FFV management must cop most of the blame for that, Heart should not be immune from copping some stick either. Edited February 28, 2013 by Blackmissionary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKD Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 I'm sorry though I just don't understand the "start at the bottom philosophy" - this is an A League club, not a new community club- do you you really want our future socceroos playing in Prov State League 3? How would that help football in Australia? How much are they going to learn in state league 2? There are already provisions in the regulations for an A-League side to be included in the VPL, in the event that they get relegated or wish to field a senior or under 21s team. 1.2.5. If a Victorian Club or Clubs is relegated from the A-League then it or they shall be placed only in the VPL and FFV may increase the size of the VPL or relegate Clubs from the VPL and subsequently lower leagues to accommodate the A-League Club or Clubs that enter the VPL. 1.2.6. FFV may in its absolute discretion extend the VPL competition if it accepts an application from or on behalf of a Victorian A-League Club to field a senior and/or Under 21 team in the VPL for the following season provided notice of its intention to do so is published and distributed to all VPL Clubs not less than 14 days prior to the start of the forthcoming VPL season. WTF, talk about special privileges... Yeh, let's just boot clubs down a league and send a ripple effect throughout the state leagues for the sake of a few clubs. Seems like they are just making up the rules as they go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmissionary Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 I'm sorry though I just don't understand the "start at the bottom philosophy" - this is an A League club, not a new community club- do you you really want our future socceroos playing in Prov State League 3? How would that help football in Australia? How much are they going to learn in state league 2? There are already provisions in the regulations for an A-League side to be included in the VPL, in the event that they get relegated or wish to field a senior or under 21s team. 1.2.5. If a Victorian Club or Clubs is relegated from the A-League then it or they shall be placed only in the VPL and FFV may increase the size of the VPL or relegate Clubs from the VPL and subsequently lower leagues to accommodate the A-League Club or Clubs that enter the VPL. 1.2.6. FFV may in its absolute discretion extend the VPL competition if it accepts an application from or on behalf of a Victorian A-League Club to field a senior and/or Under 21 team in the VPL for the following season provided notice of its intention to do so is published and distributed to all VPL Clubs not less than 14 days prior to the start of the forthcoming VPL season. WTF, talk about special privileges... Yeh, let's just boot clubs down a league and send a ripple effect throughout the state leagues for the sake of a few clubs. Seems like they are just making up the rules as they go. Probably brought in after the farce that was the attempt by South Melbourne and Melbourne Knights to enter the VPL in 2004, which was supported by some VPL clubs, but opposed by others. That attempt was blocked, and they had to wait until 2005 to re-join the competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontra.11 Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 In all fairness if heart wanted a team in the state league system it's only fair they start from the bottom and work there way up. It'd be different if they 'merged' with another club or set up a system where we loan out players during the state league season. It's unfair for clubs who bust there asses in the lower leagues for heart to just stroll in and start up in state 2. I think the only fair way to do it, is for heart to have a reserve team in the VPL, that can not be demoted or promoted (if and when that is an option) To not be able to be relegated is wrong IMO. The club having some kind of privelages and entitlement is not going to do the club any favours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InMyHeart Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Didn't it get revoked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dRoy Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Didn't it get revoked What did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theresonlyonebzamora Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Questionable post is questionable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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