natalie182 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 I'm over it too. And that's saying something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 uum....wouldn't it make more sense to use that money to bring a top quality player with a big name but who is in it for the long haul? Who can actually help the team?? Not just turn up for a pay day, wave to the crowd and off to the next destination.. Beckham isn't going to bring the type of fans that the club wants, he will bring socialites and celebrity seekers who won't come back after he leaves. Ange's article in the papaer today is spot on.. Everything about the club is screaming desparation at the moment, Free tickets, Beckham etc .. What are u going on about??? Socialites? Yep, we better keep that Long Island Set out of Melbourne Heart! Celebrity Seekers? Shit, we would hate to see a few fit birds at the Match! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ton1no Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huzie Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Everybody at work is talking about Becks, even the Victory supporters want to go to games to see him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Why is everyone over it? His management clearly stated he won't announce any move until he finishes with LA.. And even more recently he said he'll have Christmas to think it over. Not sure what you muppets expect? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Everybody at work is talking about Becks, even the Victory supporters want to go to games to see him. I presume u work at NW with a lot of Socialites and Celeb Seekers then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biancorosso7 Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Not sure what you muppets expect? I expect consistency and clarity from the Club. Beginning of the year, the Fan Forum was told no marquee would be signed for a short spike in memberships. Owen and Christeas were dismissed by the Club. The emphasis has been on a Youth orientated ethic/focus. Now, all of a sudden, we have $1.7 million to bring a marquee to the Club for 10 games? Where did all that money come from? Is that really the best use? What happened to the spike membership policy? How good of a training facility would $1.7 millions build you? The expectation is that the Club will be consistent, clear and accountable to the Fans, and act in the best interest of the Club for its sustainability and viability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natalie182 Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 I understand him waiting until after the MLS cup final. But to muck everyone around for another whole month or two, just to decide whether to come for 10 games is really annoying to me. It would be disruptive for the club, wondering if he's coming etc. If he is making a decision about coming for a season or two, fair enough. But if we wait around for this til after January then he goes off to PSG or China then it's just annoying. At least put us out of our misery if he has no intention of coming to Australia. Anyway, in I a bad mood today and this isn't helping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Don't get me wrong I hate the idea of a 10 game stint but the club won't get another oppotunity like this one for a long time.. Its David Beckham ffs!! They're milking it for all they can, at the end of the day it's all business. The attention the club is getting is a good thing. If we don't sign Becks then so be it. Btw I never believed Scott Munn when he said the club doesnt believe is a marquee signings. His a spin doctor, it's his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) I expect consistency and clarity from the Club. Beginning of the year, the Fan Forum was told no marquee would be signed for a short spike in memberships. Owen and Christeas were dismissed by the Club. The emphasis has been on a Youth orientated ethic/focus. Now, all of a sudden, we have $1.7 million to bring a marquee to the Club for 10 games? Where did all that money come from? Is that really the best use? What happened to the spike membership policy? How good of a training facility would $1.7 millions build you? The expectation is that the Club will be consistent, clear and accountable to the Fans, and act in the best interest of the Club for its sustainability and viability. How can u honestly not understand the difference between one of the most recognisable faces on the planet and bloody Christeas? Edited November 23, 2012 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 I expect consistency and clarity from the Club. Beginning of the year, the Fan Forum was told no marquee would be signed for a short spike in memberships. Owen and Christeas were dismissed by the Club. The emphasis has been on a Youth orientated ethic/focus. Now, all of a sudden, we have $1.7 million to bring a marquee to the Club for 10 games? Where did all that money come from? Is that really the best use? What happened to the spike membership policy? How good of a training facility would $1.7 millions build you? The expectation is that the Club will be consistent, clear and accountable to the Fans, and act in the best interest of the Club for its sustainability and viability. Since then they will have seen what ADP, Heskey and Ono have done for there respective clubs, more Stars than ever before and it is really benefiting the league imo, pretty obviously, this will be why, and the players mention are nowhere near the calibre of player or celebrity that beckham is and what he will provide for the money and time he is available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchPride Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 are we signing this cunt or waht, i cant be fucked reading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caganer Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 I expect consistency and clarity from the Club. Beginning of the year, the Fan Forum was told no marquee would be signed for a short spike in memberships. Owen and Christeas were dismissed by the Club. The emphasis has been on a Youth orientated ethic/focus. Now, all of a sudden, we have $1.7 million to bring a marquee to the Club for 10 games? Where did all that money come from? Is that really the best use? What happened to the spike membership policy? How good of a training facility would $1.7 millions build you? The expectation is that the Club will be consistent, clear and accountable to the Fans, and act in the best interest of the Club for its sustainability and viability. The Fan Forum was told that a marquee had to make sense both off the field and on the field. No marquee had been identified that met those criteria and with whom an agreement could be reached. The club wasn't going to pursue a marquee for the sake of having a marquee. Owen wasn't dismissed, Heart were in negotiations with him, but an appropriate agreement could not be reached. The "sudden $1.7m" for a marquee comes from identifying an appropriate identity that will attract corporate/commercial backers. Sponsors, wealthy individuals, etc. might be willing to contribute money to bring a marquee to Heart if they felt they could capitalise on their presence through increased exposure, creating business connections, etc. Clearly, Beckham is deemed to provide this benefit for sponsors. Evidently those same sponsors do not see the same value in contributing to bricks and mortar training facilities. You don't make money on property unless you can sell or rent it. Heart training facilities would be based on La Trobe University campus (can't sell it) and on a peppercorn lease to Heart (no rental income). FWIW $1.7m wouldn't go very far on infrastructure anyway. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FB. Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) I expect consistency and clarity from the Club. Beginning of the year, the Fan Forum was told no marquee would be signed for a short spike in memberships. Owen and Christeas were dismissed by the Club. The emphasis has been on a Youth orientated ethic/focus. Now, all of a sudden, we have $1.7 million to bring a marquee to the Club for 10 games? Where did all that money come from? Is that really the best use? What happened to the spike membership policy? How good of a training facility would $1.7 millions build you? The expectation is that the Club will be consistent, clear and accountable to the Fans, and act in the best interest of the Club for its sustainability and viability. I have remained quite in this topic and have been publicly vocal in my opposition to singing marques like Owen in the past, but I am genuinely excited at the prospect that David Beckham may come to heart, even if only for a 10 game stint. David Beckham is simply a pedigree above anything else on offer globally and is a completely different story to any other marque player in the past. The club are quite right to be doing everything they can to get him to the club and there is no contradiction in signing him which will go against our club's philosophy, despite what yourself or any of the other Mongs in Navy believe. We will still continue to engage in the community above and beyond what any other A-League club is doing, and in fact Beckham would probably help our community reach rather then hinder it. We will continue to be the premier destination in the land for talented young players. We will continue to offer opportunities to talented youngsters in the side, alongside some of Australia's greatest Socceroos for them to learn off. Nothing will change if Beckham signs except that we may actually start getting some more people to games and getting ourselves some much needed media exposure. 1.7 million dollars would barely provide for a club room at La Trobe. Let alone training facilities, playing pitches, grandstand and proper ice baths that aren't wheelie bins ffs. The money is clearly coming from marketing potential and the fact benefactors will be able to have their name alongside Beckham should he come here. I have no doubt that the club & investors will get back that 1.7 million and then some should he sign, and we might actually be looking at a profit this year over just simply "breaking even". Have a think about what that would mean for new 'training facilities next season. Have a think about what that may mean for crowd increases in the medium to long term after our 'honeymoon' stadium deal with AAMI Park ends next year. Can't see anything but good coming from this tl;dr Bring on the Becks show farken. Edited November 23, 2012 by FB. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 are we signing this cunt or waht, i cant be fucked reading Yes. Confirmed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeCee Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Whilst I agree with some of the sentiments regarding the apparent back-flip on our marquee stance, like FB says, Beckham is a completely different situation. No other player in the world would be able to gain the interest of the average non-football following Australian like Beckham would. Even Messi or Ronaldo would struggle to pull the same amount of traditional AFL family fans through the gates, which in my opinion seems to be the clubs' target market. If we manage to get him for only 1.7 million, all discussion of us going bankrupt will vanish for a very long time, massive profits can be made here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biancorosso7 Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 If Beckham only signs for the last 10 games of the 2012-13 season, I believe that in 3 years time we will be no better off than if he had not signed with us. Anyone have the figures for MV membership, pre, during and post Kewell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelawolf Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 so basically we are having our own little Kewell saga great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braveheart Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 so basically we are having our own little Kewell saga great Not really. Single Biggest marketing opportunity in world football/sport vs a great aussie player returning home due to lack of interest overseas. Not really comparable IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 If Beckham only signs for the last 10 games of the 2012-13 season, I believe that in 3 years time we will be no better off than if he had not signed with us. Anyone have the figures for MV membership, pre, during and post Kewell? Why? You would make a Strong Scientist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 I can sense that some have read Postecoglou's comments from today. There's no reason why any MHFC fan should subscribe to this ridiculous cult of personality that follows that arrogant prick around. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontra.11 Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 What are u going on about??? Socialites? Yep, we better keep that Long Island Set out of Melbourne Heart! Celebrity Seekers? Shit, we would hate to see a few fit birds at the Match! Beckham might create some cash that will help with short term survival and attract people that will come watch HIM and not the team, but when he is gone we are back to square one. 10 game GUEST (!!) stints where the player is assured a spot in the starting 11 because it is part of the contract is not football, it is something entirely different.. It's a circus. Or, we could get a player and/or a coach who is class, has a name, is committed and will help us get some consistent long term results which we know will bring crowds in itself.. And we don't have to compromise the integrity of the club.. I know what i would prefer but maybe that is just me.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huzie Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 I just don't get people...1) world exposure 2) $$$ 3) David fucking Beckham! 4) still a quality player and 100x better at set peices then anybody in the league 5) potential new members for future years 6) posh spice! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biancorosso7 Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 What happens if we dont't sign him? Will everyone be happy with the gained media exposure and nothing else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 I just don't get people...1) world exposure 2) $$$ 3) David fucking Beckham! 4) still a quality player and 100x better at set peices then anybody in the league 5) potential new members for future years 6) posh spice! Neither do I. Seems some people would have us never sign anyone who might actually help us increase our attendances because of what might happen after they've moved on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 What happens if we dont't sign him? Will everyone be happy with the gained media exposure and nothing else? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 If nothing else, it is great to see our club look serious about signing a name player for a change. In the past we have always put forward a second rate bid (eg. for Flores) and then looked second rate as we have been outbid. Beckham is still a big name in world football and signing him would be a great boost for our club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natalie182 Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 But from the sounds if it, we have bid $1.7 million and Perth and Central Coast $2 million. Hopefully that doesn't wreck it for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Perth is a backwater and Gosford...geeze. It'd be like asking Becks to live in Pakenham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) If I was offered to move to Perth/NSW over Melbourne for more money, I would still choose Melbourne. Edited November 23, 2012 by hakz7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natalie182 Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 I think this would be the case if it was for a year or two. But for 10 weeks, you can live anywhere. And obviously we are a bit biased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biancorosso7 Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Is Beckham for 10 games better than Ballack for a whole season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 For "brand awareness"? Yes. Easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libero Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 some people are missing the point. eg: 'our club doesnt have enough money, if we sign becks we will go bankrupt.' etc.... the thing is we would be RICH if we sign Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulhollanddrive Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 I'm for it. Just don't think it will happen. And it's not a black and white outcome, lots of factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sash Posted November 23, 2012 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) Round 22. Beckham and Del Piero. (Emerton & Grella as the support cast.) Aami Stadium packed to the back rows. International coverage. Come on people, think big. When has this ever happened in Australian domestic football? I'm always one to argue for the long term, but even if this is temporary, it'll still be great. Why not just enjoy a few big crowds and the attention that will come our way. It will be the biggest and most exciting thing that's ever happened to our club. By a long, long, long way. And I don't think you can argue that we could use the money in another way. Most of it is not our money. It's from sponsors and third parties who aren't going to use it on other players. And if it doesn't happen, just enjoy the fact that we're a serious contender. If he doesn't come, it will still have been worth it I reckon. Edited November 23, 2012 by Sash 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huzie Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 I don't think people understand just how good a city Melbourne is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKD Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Round 22. Beckham and Del Piero. (Emerton & Grella as the support cast.) Aami Stadium packed to the back rows. International coverage. Come on people, think big. When has this ever happened in Australian domestic football? I'm always one to argue for the long term, but even if this is temporary, it'll still be great. Why not just enjoy a few big crowds and the attention that will come our way. It will be the biggest and most exciting thing that's ever happened to our club. By a long, long, long way. And I don't think you can argue that we could use the money in another way. Most of it is not our money. It's from sponsors and third parties who aren't going to use it on other players. And if it doesn't happen, just enjoy the fact that we're a serious contender. If he doesn't come, it will still have been worth it I reckon. Entirely agree. Long-term benefits will also eventuate, with a slow, but steady decline. Beckham coming to Melbourne will be the 'tip over' factor for a lot of passive fans and even neutrals. Even if they attend 5 of the 10 games, attending Heart games may then become a habit. Not everyone will suddenly disappear after the 10 games. At the very least people can say that Beckham once played for the club, presenting a very positive attraction for future supporters. The club needs this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Entirely agree. Long-term benefits will also eventuate, with a slow, but steady decline. ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 (edited) http://www.smh.com.a...l#ixzz2DBixKbf0 Luca$h can fuck right off. Kent's never done anything for the A-League and thinks he can tell us what to do / why we aren't progresing as a football nation? TBH we are creating the next viduka's and Kewells, except the Australian public doesn't get to see it because he and his other old cronies are blocking the way. Beckham is, tbh, a short term fix. But it's a short term fix that will have much better implications on the long term than Lucas can clearly imagine. Our club's survivial and the expansion of the supporter base is pretty much the most crucial element for us at the moment, which Beckham will greatly assists. We've already done the grassroots development stuff, and that clearly hasn't had a marvellous long term effect for the survival of our club. Why don't you come over and have a look Lucas. Edited November 25, 2012 by Che 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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