Domestic Politics

[Boffins]

The how fucked is Australia site is an absolute joke and epitomises everything that is wrong with this country.

We put up with the last two results dished out election time, moved on and accepted it even though one of the decisions was made by independents and not by the voters, now those same people who were happy about that result will rant on about this election being unjust and illegal.

Move on, better luck next time, the countries already gone to shit I'm sure if the liberals fuck up even more the leftists can sit back and say I told you so unroll then grow up and move on, it's a democracy, not everyone gets what they want

[Braveheart]

Can parties in the senate actually introduce new legislation/laws or only block shit ?

Any member of either house of parliament can introduce bills into parliment but obviously then it has to be voted on.

Although this is technically correct, 90% of legislation comes from The Government in the Lower House. Private Members Bill's are not uncommon but almost always have the direct backing of their respective party hierarchies.

Also, the constitutionally defined Bicameral system dictates that members of the senate cannot introduce legislation which constitutes a Bill of Appropriation(the spending/direct allocation of public monies, taxation related). Appropriation bills are the bread and butter, nitty gritty, work of the House of Reps.

Thus, seeming though almost all legislation requires the use of public revenue, fuck all legislation begins in the senate.

Edited September 8, 2013 by Braveheart

[Dylan]

Australian Sports Party look like getting a Senate seat in WA with just 0.2% of the first preference vote, according to ABC modelling.

Lol.

 

And the motoring enthusiasts have a Vic senate seat. I will actually enjoy this next senate seeing all the nutters together in there trying to sort things out. It was good having a laugh at Steve Fielding. 

 

One thing that is confirmed with this election is that old saying. Oppositions don't win elections, Governments lose them.  I wont be moving away from my area for years now since ill have FTTP in december. 

Edited September 8, 2013 by Dylan

[marteaux]

Can parties in the senate actually introduce new legislation/laws or only block shit ?

Any member of either house of parliament can introduce bills into parliment but obviously then it has to be voted on.Although this is technically correct, 90% of legislation comes from The Government in the Lower House. Private Members Bill's are not uncommon but almost always have the direct backing of their respective party hierarchies.

Also, the constitutionally defined Bicameral system dictates that members of the senate cannot introduce legislation which constitutes a Bill of Appropriation(the spending/direct allocation of public monies, taxation related). Appropriation bills are the bread and butter, nitty gritty, work of the House of Reps.

Thus, seeming though almost all legislation requires the use of public revenue, fuck all legislation begins in the senate.

Will buy you a beer for explaining this to me. Dropped marks on a SAC because I couldn't differentiate the lawmaking powers of the two houses.

[malloy]

http://m.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/clive-palmer-falls-behind-in-seat-of-fairfax-20130918-2tynk.html

Thank fuck. Hopefully the trend continues and Palmer loses

[Deviant]

 

 

About lunchtime the mining chief and Palmer United Party founder was behind by 100 votes.

 

Long lunch break lol

[Braveheart]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/sophie-mirabella-concedes-in-indi-20130918-2tybz.html

 

Ding dong, the witch is dead

[cadete]

One Liberal I'm fucken happy lost her seat...

Monarchist Whore.

[Deviant]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/sophie-mirabella-concedes-in-indi-20130918-2tybz.html

 

Ding dong, the witch is dead

I thought the queen passed? lol

[Braveheart]

Monarchist Whore.

Shhhh... Malloy might be listening

[malloy]

Rule Britannia etc.

[Tommykins]

As a former Indi resident, it's good to see the back of Mirabella

[hedaik]

see the back of Mirabella

Is it much different to her front?

[toogood18]

From a Liberal: It is bloody great to see Sophie Mirabella as far away as possible from parliament!

[Nate]

Ahahahaha, I pissed off my diehard Liberal parents so much by voting for McGowan.

 

So glad to see Mirabella gone though, what a nasty woman.

[Tesla]

Market forces at work, always gets me erect http://www.afr.com/p/business/companies/tpg_fibre_plan_challenges_nbn_v10TzlbnSJEHWqPQ70CZ3K

New government has an opportunity to really send a clear message that the socialist regime has very much come to an end by scrapping the laws not allowing other providers to compete with the NBN and beginning a process to sell the NBN infrastructure.

Telstra, Optus, TPG, and iinet battling each other will produce a national fibre broadband network faster and more efficiently than anything the government could ever dream up.

[hedaik]

Market forces at work, always gets me erect http://www.afr.com/p/business/companies/tpg_fibre_plan_challenges_nbn_v10TzlbnSJEHWqPQ70CZ3K

New government has an opportunity to really send a clear message that the socialist regime has very much come to an end by scrapping the laws not allowing other providers to compete with the NBN and beginning a process to sell the NBN infrastructure.

Telstra, Optus, TPG, and iinet battling each other will produce a national fibre broadband network faster and more efficiently than anything the government could ever dream up.

The point of the NBN is to get faster broadband to rural and suburbia. The link you've posted above is for ISP's building fibre networks to estates/high density areas which has been happening for the last 10 years (look up opticomm). Most people won't benefit from these networks.

Edited September 18, 2013 by hedaik1

[Tesla]

Market forces at work, always gets me erect http://www.afr.com/p/business/companies/tpg_fibre_plan_challenges_nbn_v10TzlbnSJEHWqPQ70CZ3K

New government has an opportunity to really send a clear message that the socialist regime has very much come to an end by scrapping the laws not allowing other providers to compete with the NBN and beginning a process to sell the NBN infrastructure.

Telstra, Optus, TPG, and iinet battling each other will produce a national fibre broadband network faster and more efficiently than anything the government could ever dream up.

The point of the NBN is to get faster broadband to rural and suburbia. The link you've posted above is for ISP's building fibre networks to estates/high density areas which has been happening for the last 10 years (look up opticomm). Most people won't benefit from these networks.

I know its been happening, and even Telstra have a small FTTH network in Brisbane.

But your post highlights the reason why the NBN is flawed, it relies on subsidising rural areas at the cost of more built up areas.

[hedaik]

 

 

Market forces at work, always gets me erect http://www.afr.com/p/business/companies/tpg_fibre_plan_challenges_nbn_v10TzlbnSJEHWqPQ70CZ3K

New government has an opportunity to really send a clear message that the socialist regime has very much come to an end by scrapping the laws not allowing other providers to compete with the NBN and beginning a process to sell the NBN infrastructure.

Telstra, Optus, TPG, and iinet battling each other will produce a national fibre broadband network faster and more efficiently than anything the government could ever dream up.

The point of the NBN is to get faster broadband to rural and suburbia. The link you've posted above is for ISP's building fibre networks to estates/high density areas which has been happening for the last 10 years (look up opticomm). Most people won't benefit from these networks.

 

I know its been happening, and even Telstra have a small FTTH network in Brisbane.

But your post highlights the reason why the NBN is flawed, it relies on subsidising rural areas at the cost of more built up areas.

 

 

But the point of the NBN is to get high speed broadband to everybody, something which is hard to do for the private sector due to the spread out nature of Australias population. Its been about 12 years since ADSL first hit the scene, and we still have suburbs in the city unable to get it at all due to being too far from the exchange, due to poor copper, or not enough space to accommodate the equipment in the exchange. Private companies aren't going to start digging up holes in the ground and rolling out fibre to these people if they've had 12 years to give them a copper service.

 

I see broadband now just as an essential service as water/electricity or roads are, and people no matter where they live expect the same quality of service and costs as people in urban areas do. 

[HeartinHobart]

Market forces at work, always gets me erect http://www.afr.com/p/business/companies/tpg_fibre_plan_challenges_nbn_v10TzlbnSJEHWqPQ70CZ3KNew government has an opportunity to really send a clear message that the socialist regime has very much come to an end by scrapping the laws not allowing other providers to compete with the NBN and beginning a process to sell the NBN infrastructure.Telstra, Optus, TPG, and iinet battling each other will produce a national fibre broadband network faster and more efficiently than anything the government could ever dream up.

The point of the NBN is to get faster broadband to rural and suburbia. The link you've posted above is for ISP's building fibre networks to estates/high density areas which has been happening for the last 10 years (look up opticomm). Most people won't benefit from these networks.

I know its been happening, and even Telstra have a small FTTH network in Brisbane.But your post highlights the reason why the NBN is flawed, it relies on subsidising rural areas at the cost of more built up areas.

 But the point of the NBN is to get high speed broadband to everybody, something which is hard to do for the private sector due to the spread out nature of Australias population. Its been about 12 years since ADSL first hit the scene, and we still have suburbs in the city unable to get it at all due to being too far from the exchange, due to poor copper, or not enough space to accommodate the equipment in the exchange. Private companies aren't going to start digging up holes in the ground and rolling out fibre to these people if they've had 12 years to give them a copper service. I see broadband now just as an essential service as water/electricity or roads are, and people no matter where they live expect the same quality of service and costs as people in urban areas do.

As essential as water???? Mmm

[hedaik]

Essential Services define services that have more importance over others and have extra government regulations surrounding the way they are provisioned, its not a literal term. 

[HeartinHobart]

Misread, my bad.

Edited September 19, 2013 by HeartinHobart

[AJB45T4RD]

I was thinking exactly the same Tommykins, I moved from Wangaratta to Geelong three years ago. I used to work in the public service, and during that time I never met a bigger bitch than her. Everything about her was trumped up and fake as plastic. She would turn her nose up at everyone one day, then blow multicolured smoke up our arses the next when it suited her, or if she wanted something from you. She was never in her electorate when needed, but made appearance a mandotory privelege at the "upper crust" engagements that Wangaratta catered for. She would go into a supermarket, buy the exclusive brands, turn her nose up to local wares and then have the bloody nerve to say; "That she always has the best interests of the constituents of Indi, as her number one priority" what a load of shit! Good riddance to the moll, and I'm glad that a cabinet position went beckoning...there really is justice in this world.

[Tesla]

But the point of the NBN is to get high speed broadband to everybody, something which is hard to do for the private sector due to the spread out nature of Australias population. Its been about 12 years since ADSL first hit the scene, and we still have suburbs in the city unable to get it at all due to being too far from the exchange, due to poor copper, or not enough space to accommodate the equipment in the exchange. Private companies aren't going to start digging up holes in the ground and rolling out fibre to these people if they've had 12 years to give them a copper service.

Demand for a higher quality broadband service is constantly rising, so it could be viable in then near future. If it isn't viable, then should it be happening?

I see broadband now just as an essential service as water/electricity or roads are, and people no matter where they live expect the same quality of service and costs as people in urban areas do.

I really don't see why they should expect to pay the same when it costs significantly more to provide them with the service, and if providing an essential service to some rural town is not economically viable then maybe that town isn't viable and shouldn't exist? I'm of the opinion that the only way to find out is to not provide them with subsidies and handouts and see what happens.

Fwiw, I'm actually a strong supporter of growing regional areas, and if some government assistance can make that happen in a sustainable fashion then I'm all for it, and if the NBN is meant to achieve such a goal then that's great, but then the NBN should be identified as government assistance to rural areas and be put in the budget, rather than feeding us BS about it being a business that will provide the Australian taxpayer a return and therefore it being off budget, when really costs will blow out to a point where there will not be an appropriate return and even the fictional return that labor claimed possible is made via a legal monopoly where abnormal profits are extorted from the urban population, something the government is apparently meant to protect us against

Anyway, labor's NBN is dead, lets see what the new government does.

So far the new government has shown they do not fuck around at all, and will probably reach GOAT status by the end of first term, slashing government departments and dismantling labor's nanny state, sending warships to protect our boarders. And now this http://www.news.com.au/business/joe-hockey-orders-ato-to-tell-taxpayers-where-their-money-goes/story-e6frfm1i-1226726341854

:clap:

Definitely exceeding expectations.

[hedaik]

 

But the point of the NBN is to get high speed broadband to everybody, something which is hard to do for the private sector due to the spread out nature of Australias population. Its been about 12 years since ADSL first hit the scene, and we still have suburbs in the city unable to get it at all due to being too far from the exchange, due to poor copper, or not enough space to accommodate the equipment in the exchange. Private companies aren't going to start digging up holes in the ground and rolling out fibre to these people if they've had 12 years to give them a copper service.

Demand for a higher quality broadband service is constantly rising, so it could be viable in then near future. If it isn't viable, then should it be happening?

 

 

Well with that attitude we probably shouldn't have any rural roads, public transport or powerlines to remove areas as they don't make money.

 

I'm actually not in favour of the NBN 100% (Id prefer to see more investment in Public Transport), but I just feel if we're going to do a project we may as well do it properly and not a band aid attempt where we're going to have dodgy copper left in the ground and hundreds of thousands of nodes to maintain in the future with a large % of people still not able to get great speeds.

[Tesla]

But the point of the NBN is to get high speed broadband to everybody, something which is hard to do for the private sector due to the spread out nature of Australias population. Its been about 12 years since ADSL first hit the scene, and we still have suburbs in the city unable to get it at all due to being too far from the exchange, due to poor copper, or not enough space to accommodate the equipment in the exchange. Private companies aren't going to start digging up holes in the ground and rolling out fibre to these people if they've had 12 years to give them a copper service.

Demand for a higher quality broadband service is constantly rising, so it could be viable in then near future. If it isn't viable, then should it be happening?

 

Well with that attitude we probably shouldn't have any rural roads, public transport or powerlines to remove areas as they don't make money.

 

I'm actually not in favour of the NBN 100% (Id prefer to see more investment in Public Transport), but I just feel if we're going to do a project we may as well do it properly and not a band aid attempt where we're going to have dodgy copper left in the ground and hundreds of thousands of nodes to maintain in the future with a large % of people still not able to get great speeds.

Actually rural roads make a lot of money, though hard to know for sure due to poor road pricing in this country, but thats a discussion for another time, and train lines in eural areas would alao make a lot of money.

I agree with you though, labor's nbn would actually acehive something, whereas I dont think the coalition plan really does, but then again we dont even really know what the coalition plan will be for sure.

[hedaik]

I get the feeling from Malcolms latest language that fibre to the premises will continue as a major part of the new strategy but just scaled back more in less populated areas.

[Tesla]

I agree, at the end of the day they promised a strategic review, it's being undertaken, and at the end of it they can turn around and pretty much do anything and say they didn't really break an election promise as the review determined X was appropriate.

Pretty sure I also read somewhere that Malcolm said they will allow competition with the NBN, that will mean costs in more populated areas have to come down, which in turn probably means a lower quality service in less populated areas.

[Dylan]

Still think they will end up doing a fttp build. They will have review after review until it becomes politically pallitable. They might put out some spin about more competition and decrease the points of interconnect so more companies can offer services. Besides they are still going to honor the contracts signed under labour which means a substaintial amount of the network will be built anyway. Surely they wont let a third of it be built and then move to a fttn. You would end up with one street having FTTP and the next street over having FTTN. Libs also said they would replace copper with fibre that is in bad condition, all the articles ive seen about the state of the copper network paint a pretty bleak picture.

 

Plus Turnbull said in a press conference that he would be open to a FTTP build. 

 

What ever they do the biggest mistake would allow this new monopoly (private or otherwise)  to be able to offer retail services. They made that mistake with Tesltra which saw Australia go from 3rd in the would in termsof internet quality and price to about 28 out of 30

Edited September 25, 2013 by Dylan

[cadete]

Anyone else sick of Facebook Politics yet?

 

The New Government has not even sat yet and its fucken relentless, with half the crap being pretty much slander and gossip.

You can really tell how these things were not really around in the Howard Years.

 

Do these PPL really think they are going to change other PPL's political views by posting on the same site PPL use to like Box Gaps and Booty Pics?

[Tesla]

Mr Macfarlane warned that if Holden were to get any more money it would be a once-only deal, "a long term plan which will be 'The End', in capital letters, in black, six feet high, 'This is all we're ever going to give you'."

http://www.news.com.au/business/companies/politicians-to-walk-the-holden-production-line-as-funding-negotiations-recommence/story-fnda1bsz-1226731095826#ixzz2gTr4yiDT

:clap:

[Dylan]

I welcome our new kangaroo shit throwing, september 11 inside job believing, victorian senator. This is going to be a hilarious 6 years 

Edited October 1, 2013 by Dylan

[Tesla]

I welcome our new kangaroo shit throwing, september 11 inside job believing, victorian senator.

Sounds like the most qualified man in parliament

[Braveheart]

 

PM Abbott =:

 

"Prince Harry, I regret to say not everyone in Australia is a monarchist, but today everyone feels like a monarchist".

He said it was "fitting" that the Crown was still a "symbol of continuity and decency in public life".

 

Neck yourself cunt. 

 

 

http://www.smh.com.au/national/today-everyone-feels-like-a-monarchist-abbott-welcomes-prince-harry-20131005-2v0qb.html

[marteaux]

The fact that the main topic of an article on a royal visit to Australia is gossip news really indicates how many Australians are 'monarchists' and how relevant the royal family are to Australia.

How about a referendum, Tone? Without all the attached strings old m8 Howard chucked in.

[Tesla]

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/lib-democrats-oppose-paid-parental-leave/story-e6frfku9-1226733677878

:clap:

[cadete]

The fact that the main topic of an article on a royal visit to Australia is gossip news really indicates how many Australians are 'monarchists' and how relevant the royal family are to Australia.

How about a referendum, Tone? Without all the attached strings old m8 Howard chucked in.

Where was the referendum or even the promised plebiscite from the ALP Gov who had a Push for The Republic as Official Policy???

[Braveheart]

 

The fact that the main topic of an article on a royal visit to Australia is gossip news really indicates how many Australians are 'monarchists' and how relevant the royal family are to Australia.

How about a referendum, Tone? Without all the attached strings old m8 Howard chucked in.

Where was the referendum or even the promised plebiscite from the ALP Gov who had a Push for The Republic as Official Policy???

 

Granted we did not even put it up but the idea had already been trounced by Howard's tainted plebiscite. You know it was engineered to fail from the start and DO NOT claim Howard was/is anything but a staunch monarchist.

[malloy]

Rule Britannia etc.

[Braveheart]

 

Rule Britannia etc.

 

lol well played cunt.