cadete Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) Expected not to be lied to but hey.... these days it's just too common. Why not say " we intend to turn this club into mini Manchester city playing in blue and we don't care that most of you won't like it. Why say totally opposite ??? Because most people are sheep and as long as their house prices go up/they can afford the latest nike trainers/porn is free then they will accept what they are told. You have a very bleak view on Australian Society. Just because people do not react to things the way that you think that they should - Does not therefore mean that they are all self serving idiots... Edited June 2, 2014 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexxandro Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Expected not to be lied to but hey.... these days it's just too common. Why not say " we intend to turn this club into mini Manchester city playing in blue and we don't care that most of you won't like it. Why say totally opposite ??? Because most people are sheep and as long as their house prices go up/they can afford the latest nike trainers/porn is free then they will accept what they are told. You have a very bleak view on Australian Society. Just because people do not react to things the way that you think that they should - Does not therefore mean that they are all self serving idiots... It's true I have a bleak view of humanity in general. But expressing it on here is probably not called for so I apologise for off topic grumpiness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellum Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Expected not to be lied to but hey.... these days it's just too common. Why not say " we intend to turn this club into mini Manchester city playing in blue and we don't care that most of you won't like it. Why say totally opposite ??? Because most people are sheep and as long as their house prices go up/they can afford the latest nike trainers/porn is free then they will accept what they are told. You have a very bleak view on Australian Society. Just because people do not react to things the way that you think that they should - Does not therefore mean that they are all self serving idiots... It's true I have a bleak view of humanity in general. But expressing it on here is probably not called for so I apologise for off topic grumpiness. I think your view is generally on the money for a lot of Australians. I don't have a problem with you expressing it here, seems relevent. I wouldn't worry about upsetting some on here who don't like what you have to say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Expected not to be lied to but hey.... these days it's just too common. Why not say " we intend to turn this club into mini Manchester city playing in blue and we don't care that most of you won't like it. Why say totally opposite ??? Just remind me again, what has actually changed so far? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) Expected not to be lied to but hey.... these days it's just too common. Why not say " we intend to turn this club into mini Manchester city playing in blue and we don't care that most of you won't like it. Why say totally opposite ???Just remind me again, what has actually changed so far? when we run out in the first game of the season as Melbourne city with new logo and blue and white, how will you defend that we aren't mini man city??? I realize its not set in concrete but city has made it pretty obvious what their intentions are the minute they ask FFA to change the colour . Edited June 2, 2014 by Jestr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of Melbourne Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 This off season is no different to any of the last 4. Thank you sheikh Mansour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Expected not to be lied to but hey.... these days it's just too common. Why not say " we intend to turn this club into mini Manchester city playing in blue and we don't care that most of you won't like it. Why say totally opposite ??? Because most people are sheep and as long as their house prices go up/they can afford the latest nike trainers/porn is free then they will accept what they are told. You have a very bleak view on Australian Society. Just because people do not react to things the way that you think that they should - Does not therefore mean that they are all self serving idiots... It's true I have a bleak view of humanity in general. But expressing it on here is probably not called for so I apologise for off topic grumpiness. I think your view is generally on the money for a lot of Australians. I don't have a problem with you expressing it here, seems relevent. I wouldn't worry about upsetting some on here who don't like what you have to say. Strong Generalisation Skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) Expected not to be lied to but hey.... these days it's just too common. Why not say " we intend to turn this club into mini Manchester city playing in blue and we don't care that most of you won't like it. Why say totally opposite ??? Just remind me again, what has actually changed so far? when we run out in the first game of the season as Melbourne city with new logo and blue and white, how will you defend that we aren't mini man city??? I realize its not set in concrete but city has made it pretty obvious what their intentions are the minute they ask FFA to change the colour . And if that does happen I won't offer a defence, unless it's an away game when there's nothing wrong with having a new away kit. We hardly covered ourselves in glory wearing the old one. But I have seen little evidence of changes actually occurring so far. No spectacular new signings, no "big player" marquees, no colour change, no name change, no administrative staff changes, no information. Note: so far. Two new assistant coaches but those appointments don't look to me to have "City" written all over them. Yes, there does appear to be a media black-out of sorts, but Heart's communications have never been much chop so what's new about that? In summary, just another shit off-season to follow another shit season. Edited June 2, 2014 by jw1739 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartinHobart Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 The City Group paid $100 million for their MLS franchise while paying around $10 million for Heart. At the moment it would also seem New York is of 10 times the importance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M13 Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Given that CFG will have to fork out for a new stadium, new training facilities, new players and coaches and got a top floor office in Manhattan with a wonderful view I think you can say that New York is a billion dollar venture counting all the extras. Heart was acquired in part because it had most of everything I´m sure, the club just needs an upgrade.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphine Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 So much ado about nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falastur Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 The City Group paid $100 million for their MLS franchise while paying around $10 million for Heart. At the moment it would also seem New York is of 10 times the importance. I understand your frustration, and I feel it also as I want good things to happen to this team as much as you do. I know it doesn't exactly flip the situation onto its head, but in fairness several of the Lampard-to-NYCFC stories mentioned that he (supposedly) agreed a contract with NYCFC after turning down Heart. Now it's frustrating that he was willing to reject Melbourne but accept NYC, but the important thing to take from that story is that City actually tried to recruit him for the Heart before they then offered him the NYCFC contract, which does put into question the idea that they're specifically focusing on NYCFC and putting Heart at the back while they do it. Much as I hate to admit it, there's a possibility in my mind that they've been chasing a series of targets who were perhaps too ambitious and none of whom took discussions far enough to warrant rumours coming out. Blue (sorry) sky thinking and all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxikiBugger Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 People fail to see the bigger picture, its not just a colour change, the global opportunities CFG will usher in with their global network of Clubs to be marketed together, will take the club and the A League to the next level, pretty sure the current colors will remain as a second or third it as well as a reminder. Some small minded frogs in a well mentality individuals in the FFA fail to see the huge future ahead of course but sense will prevail in time. If any of you think that it ceases to be your club just because the colour changes then you are quite weak in your support, the Club is the supporters, no amount of change can change that, long as you support it, it will remain your club and nothing and no one can change that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTD/MLBHRT/ESSNDON Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Mate I've tried explaining that from the day city bought in... They don't think like that, for most it's an image thing... They don't understand where Heart was heading and where it's heading now. Don't bother you'll get abused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 People fail to see the bigger picture, its not just a colour change, the global opportunities CFG will usher in with their global network of Clubs to be marketed together, will take the club and the A League to the next level, pretty sure the current colors will remain as a second or third it as well as a reminder. Some small minded frogs in a well mentality individuals in the FFA fail to see the huge future ahead of course but sense will prevail in time. If any of you think that it ceases to be your club just because the colour changes then you are quite weak in your support, the Club is the supporters, no amount of change can change that, long as you support it, it will remain your club and nothing and no one can change that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jun Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Mate I've tried explaining that from the day city bought in... They don't think like that, for most it's an image thing... They don't understand where Heart was heading and where it's heading now. Don't bother you'll get abused. You get abused because you're a clown 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Mate I've tried explaining that from the day city bought in... They don't think like that, for most it's an image thing... They don't understand where Heart was heading and where it's heading now. Don't bother you'll get abused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontra.11 Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 People fail to see the bigger picture, its not just a colour change, the global opportunities CFG will usher in with their global network of Clubs to be marketed together, will take the club and the A League to the next level, pretty sure the current colors will remain as a second or third it as well as a reminder. Some small minded frogs in a well mentality individuals in the FFA fail to see the huge future ahead of course but sense will prevail in time. If any of you think that it ceases to be your club just because the colour changes then you are quite weak in your support, the Club is the supporters, no amount of change can change that, long as you support it, it will remain your club and nothing and no one can change that Are you a Manchester City supporter? I disagree with you almost entirely except that you are right that the supporters are the club. In this case the supporters are almost entirely on the same page with something (colours) and are being ignored. So in this case it's clear that the supporters AREN'T the club in the mind of those who run it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 People fail to see the bigger picture, its not just a colour change, the global opportunities CFG will usher in with their global network of Clubs to be marketed together, will take the club and the A League to the next level, pretty sure the current colors will remain as a second or third it as well as a reminder. Some small minded frogs in a well mentality individuals in the FFA fail to see the huge future ahead of course but sense will prevail in time. If any of you think that it ceases to be your club just because the colour changes then you are quite weak in your support, the Club is the supporters, no amount of change can change that, long as you support it, it will remain your club and nothing and no one can change that Assuming you are a Man City supporter, to put it in a way you may understand it, it's the equivalent if asking you to play in the Man Utd shirt/colours. Unless you're willing to do that don't bother trying to tell us it's only colours. And we are not weak in support of our club most are willing to change name and badge the line is the colours. If all those change how can it be the same club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart_fan Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) I agree that its a big ask to change colours, but remember it wasn't the fans spending $12 million to buy a struggling club. I agree with CFG that clubs should have more of a say in how to run their clubs, with the need for greater consistency in decision making. Obviously, the majority on here sing from the same song sheet regarding the colours, which is fair enough, but I also do see a need for some to understamd why they would want to make the changes that are being reported. They have heard all the reasons to keep the red and white, identified the risks of not doing so and stated that the compromise will be reached to try and appease all stakeholders. It's not as cut and dry as many make it out to be really. It may not be popular, but its actually their club now to run and to try and make successful. Whether that should include the colours is questionable, but still is within their right to try and make decisions that they feel will make its investment work. Whatever the result of their discussions with the FFA, lets hope at the end of the day, it is a beneficial outcome for our club as a whole, which hopefully makes us a challenger, not a consistent underachiever. I just hope they actually start to communicate, instead of leaving everything to rumour, which does no one any good. Edited June 3, 2014 by Heart_fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexxandro Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 People fail to see the bigger picture, its not just a colour change, the global opportunities CFG will usher in with their global network of Clubs to be marketed together, will take the club and the A League to the next level, pretty sure the current colors will remain as a second or third it as well as a reminder. Some small minded frogs in a well mentality individuals in the FFA fail to see the huge future ahead of course but sense will prevail in time. If any of you think that it ceases to be your club just because the colour changes then you are quite weak in your support, the Club is the supporters, no amount of change can change that, long as you support it, it will remain your club and nothing and no one can change that Assuming you are a Man City supporter, to put it in a way you may understand it, it's the equivalent if asking you to play in the Man Utd shirt/colours. Unless you're willing to do that don't bother trying to tell us it's only colours. And we are not weak in support of our club most are willing to change name and badge the line is the colours. If all those change how can it be the same club? I wonder how long it will take for TaxiBurger to tell us that Heart has only been around a few years and how Man City started off purple with brown polka dots.... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 People fail to see the bigger picture, its not just a colour change, the global opportunities CFG will usher in with their global network of Clubs to be marketed together, will take the club and the A League to the next level, pretty sure the current colors will remain as a second or third it as well as a reminder. Some small minded frogs in a well mentality individuals in the FFA fail to see the huge future ahead of course but sense will prevail in time. If any of you think that it ceases to be your club just because the colour changes then you are quite weak in your support, the Club is the supporters, no amount of change can change that, long as you support it, it will remain your club and nothing and no one can change that Assuming you are a Man City supporter, to put it in a way you may understand it, it's the equivalent if asking you to play in the Man Utd shirt/colours. Unless you're willing to do that don't bother trying to tell us it's only colours. And we are not weak in support of our club most are willing to change name and badge the line is the colours. If all those chanBrge how can it be the same club? I wonder how long it will take for TaxiBurger to tell us that Heart has only been around a few years and how Man City started off purple with brown polka dots.... Brown and Purple polka dots I'd learn to live with - New South Wales colours never Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falastur Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) Not this conversation again. Can we just disable registration of new user accounts for a while or something, because I'm really getting sick of seeing the same arguments made over and over again by a string of new users. Edited June 3, 2014 by Falastur 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriente Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Not this conversation again. Can we just disable registration of new user accounts for a while or something, because I'm really getting sick of seeing the same arguments made over and over again by a string of new users. You must be new here.... there is no such thing as a fresh discussion on these forums. Only trolls and people calling trolls fuckwits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHTIDALIVE Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) Let's put this into perspective. There is a small window of opportunity where our new owners have the attention of the public in Australia at large. By this i mean all the focus is on football related matters because the FIFA World Cup is about to start. In my opinion, while Australia have 3 group games and are not predicted to go past the group stage why not use this time to promote MHFC/MCFC (or whatever we are to be called) because OUR media's interest will only last that long and as soon as Australia are out the focus will shift back to the shit version of football they call Australian Rules. A golden opportunity presents itself, where there is significant interest in football, even if it is only for a short time where the club we love can take advantage of this promote ourselves. IMHO i don't think this will happen. Edited June 3, 2014 by MHTIDALIVE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Not this conversation again. Can we just disable registration of new user accounts for a while or something, because I'm really getting sick of seeing the same arguments made over and over again by a string of new users. After a certain point in all threads, basically we just do this 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falastur Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Not this conversation again. Can we just disable registration of new user accounts for a while or something, because I'm really getting sick of seeing the same arguments made over and over again by a string of new users. After a certain point in all threads, basically we just do this Haha, fair play. Still, I'm now reading these arguments on three different forums at the same time, and so I'm getting a triple dose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Not this conversation again. Can we just disable registration of new user accounts for a while or something, because I'm really getting sick of seeing the same arguments made over and over again by a string of new users. Agree with you there Falastur. Nothing new has been added to the discussion in two months. Basically, we have so little actual football each year that the whole forum is driven by boredom and frustration. Plus we're going into winter here, and let me tell you Melbourne is every bit as drab and bleak on a grey and drizzly day as Manchester is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellum Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) Expected not to be lied to but hey.... these days it's just too common. Why not say " we intend to turn this club into mini Manchester city playing in blue and we don't care that most of you won't like it. Why say totally opposite ??? Because most people are sheep and as long as their house prices go up/they can afford the latest nike trainers/porn is free then they will accept what they are told. You have a very bleak view on Australian Society. Just because people do not react to things the way that you think that they should - Does not therefore mean that they are all self serving idiots... It's true I have a bleak view of humanity in general. But expressing it on here is probably not called for so I apologise for off topic grumpiness. I think your view is generally on the money for a lot of Australians. I don't have a problem with you expressing it here, seems relevent. I wouldn't worry about upsetting some on here who don't like what you have to say. Strong Generalisation Skills. Followed by a qualification, not all, not most, just a lot. Edited June 3, 2014 by Rellum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieAguero93:20 Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Hello all again, haven't been able to find the time to post on here for a while and it seems the general feeling has changed a lot in the last few months, for what it's worth I agree with the opinions on here regarding your club colours and name, that is, they shouldn't be altered without the prior permission of the fans. Regarding player recruitment, there's rumours in Ireland today that Damien Duff is signing for Heart, anyone in Oz heard anything about that? Personally think it would be a great signing if it goes ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTD/MLBHRT/ESSNDON Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Yes it's true, fair call he was a good solid player, but mate his 35. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF33 Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Yes it's true, fair call he was a good solid player, but mate his 35. I don't see us, or any other A-League club, for that matter, getting a foreign player of Duff's standing in the game, until he's in the twilight of his career. I think it's a choice between a Duff-type, who might have a couple of years left in him, or a younger no-name from the lower levels. And I think most of the time, the Duff-types would be the better gamble and would obviously be much more likely to be better leaders around the club. Following on from that, does it really matter how old the team is, as a whole? Given the standing of the A-League globally, I'm not sure that the big goal ought to be for our best youth prospects to crack into the the first team in their late teens/early 20s, play 300+ games at Heart and retire as one-club players. There might be a few of those as the years go by, but I would have thought, as a general rule, if they're that good, they'd have bigger fish to fry, sooner or later. So, as long as our contracted players are highly likely to play quality football for the duration of their contracts and the balance in the squad is right (with regards to things like having enough speed in the first team), I'm not really sure why it matters how old they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moraiwe Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Perception. People aren't going to perceive that a 35 year old is going to make a huge difference to the quality of the team, hence the player is not as big a drawcard. They'll see a player at the end of his career merely looking for one more paycheck, rather than a player who desires success. They'll also believe that a 35 year old isn't going to recover from injury as quickly as a younger player. It's hard to get excited about such a player. For a 35 year old to have an impact on crowd numbers he's going to need to be a much more recognisable name than Damien Duff (eg. Del Piero). Rightly or wrongly, that's what tends to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 ^^^^ Gives us Pirlo, with Villa for 10 games. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF33 Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Perception. People aren't going to perceive that a 35 year old is going to make a huge difference to the quality of the team, hence the player is not as big a drawcard. They'll see a player at the end of his career merely looking for one more paycheck, rather than a player who desires success. They'll also believe that a 35 year old isn't going to recover from injury as quickly as a younger player. It's hard to get excited about such a player. For a 35 year old to have an impact on crowd numbers he's going to need to be a much more recognisable name than Damien Duff (eg. Del Piero). Rightly or wrongly, that's what tends to happen. That's all fair enough, but if what has been reported is to be believed, I'd argue that it's highly likely that he isn't signing as a marquee (the 'joining Melbourne for the second half of the season' part, for starters). And I reckon on a 'recognisability' scale for a marquee, Duff would probably be about a solid 8/10. Except, I'm assuming if he does join the club, it won't be as the marquee. Which would make him an extremely exciting pick-up. I just think we've got to be realistic about where this club and this league sits, in the grand scheme. Big-name internationals in their absolute prime aren't going to be queuing up to play halfway across the world in a third/fourth rate competition, regardless of how nice the weather is, unless we offer them ridiculous money to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Perception. People aren't going to perceive that a 35 year old is going to make a huge difference to the quality of the team, hence the player is not as big a drawcard. They'll see a player at the end of his career merely looking for one more paycheck, rather than a player who desires success. They'll also believe that a 35 year old isn't going to recover from injury as quickly as a younger player. It's hard to get excited about such a player. For a 35 year old to have an impact on crowd numbers he's going to need to be a much more recognisable name than Damien Duff (eg. Del Piero). Rightly or wrongly, that's what tends to happen. That's all fair enough, but if what has been reported is to be believed, I'd argue that it's highly likely that he isn't signing as a marquee (the 'joining Melbourne for the second half of the season' part, for starters). And I reckon on a 'recognisability' scale for a marquee, Duff would probably be about a solid 8/10. Except, I'm assuming if he does join the club, it won't be as the marquee. Which would make him an extremely exciting pick-up. I just think we've got to be realistic about where this club and this league sits, in the grand scheme. Big-name internationals in their absolute prime aren't going to be queuing up to play halfway across the world in a third/fourth rate competition, regardless of how nice the weather is, unless we offer them ridiculous money to do so. Our weather isn't very nice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 TBH I don't "recognise" at least 95% of the "names" that get bandied around on this forum because I don't follow the overseas leagues closely enough. A player of the category of Duff would be "recognisable" if Heart put enough into a PR campaign, something that over the past four seasons they have not succeeded in doing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTD/MLBHRT/ESSNDON Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 So is Duff coming for the second half of the season...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieAguero93:20 Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Pirlo? Haha I'd love to see him join you lot too, he's a wizard of a player with the ball at his feet, I'm sure you'll get a big draw name too, although duff could bring crowds on his own I'm sure, in typical CFG style mates you won't hear anything about it until it's all wrapped up, much like DV for the New York club this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieAguero93:20 Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 So is Duff coming for the second half of the season...? Just rumours so far but for my money it sounds feasible, he won't stay with Fulham to play for promotion at his age, would still be a great player for the A league and there's a couple of rumours picking up a bit of pace over here, ie they've gone from ' in discussions with' to ' has signed for' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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