AyeCee Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Does the average citizen here even care about these two dumb cunts? Or is this all just a massive media push? I can't say I've had too many conversations about the topic, whereas any other news that gets this much attention usually pops up daily in regular chitchat. Well FWIW I care, and I know a lot of other PPL who do as well... That doesn't surprise me though, considering your social and family background. I'm sure there is interest out there, but it seems highly imbalanced when compared to the amount of coverage being given. Put it this way, at my work I've been asked twice directly to comment on cage fighting in the past two weeks, yet genuinely have not heard one thing about the Bali 9. I would have placed the customers I deal with as the main demographic in regards to finding such a story interesting, yet haven't heard a peep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 That is prob because this country advanced beyond even considering the Death Penalty as an reasonable Punnishnent in the late 60's and it's an apolitical issue. As opposed to Cage Fighting which currently being supported by one of the Major Parties and not the other... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlings Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) UOTIH: I feel nothing for coffee. I like the socialness of "going out for coffee", but half the time I order a milkshake anyway. I haven't ever had the burning desire that "I MUST A COFFEE OR I WILL CEASE TO FUNCTION". I have a feeling this opinion will be most unpopular. Edited March 2, 2015 by carlings 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 UOTIH: I feel nothing for coffee. I like the socialness of "going out for coffee", but half the time I order a milkshake anyway. I haven't ever had the burning desire that "I MUST A COFFEE OR I WILL CEASE TO FUNCTION". I have a feeling this opinion will be most unpopular. Couldn't agree more ( but have no likes left riff) Hot chocolate over coffee tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 I drink a shit load of it because I love it but can go without it. Bitchs in my office are always saying how feral they are without it, no you're just a cunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 4 cups a day keeps the crazies away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs 2 Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 mMa would be safer without gloves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Womens farts smell worse then mens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeCee Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 mMa would be safer without gloves. It certainly makes for better viewing I'm curious to hear your argument though... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 UOTIH: I feel nothing for coffee. I like the socialness of "going out for coffee", but half the time I order a milkshake anyway. I haven't ever had the burning desire that "I MUST A COFFEE OR I WILL CEASE TO FUNCTION". I have a feeling this opinion will be most unpopular. Ban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs 2 Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 i think there would be less brain trauma and long term damage without gloves / hand wraps, there would probably be more cuts and Hand injuries tho. By taping / wrapping your hands and putting on gloves you can throw punches without worrying about having your hand / wrist giving out. A 4 lb glove isn't designed to protect Ya neck just your hands. If you put on gloves and shit and hit a punching bag then take them off and try to do the same bare fist the difference is huge. It's the same argument you can make for mMa being safer than boXing. Less punches accumulated over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs 2 Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 But then again what the fuck do I know 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 That is prob because this country advanced beyond even considering the Death Penalty as an reasonable Punnishnent in the late 60's and it's an apolitical issue. But the issue at hand is not whether the death penalty is a reasonable punishment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 UOTIH: ISP's cracking down on piracy is a joke. Crack down on the bullshit foxtel fee's. To get anything decent you're paying through the roof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 UOTIH: ISP's cracking down on piracy is a joke. Crack down on the bullshit foxtel fee's. To get anything decent you're paying through the roof. Isnt that a popular opinion? Im probably the only one in the universe that doesnt work for a media company that thinks people dont have a right to pirate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeCee Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 UOTIH: ISP's cracking down on piracy is a joke. Crack down on the bullshit foxtel fee's. To get anything decent you're paying through the roof. I don't believe people have a right to illegally download, but I also think that the entertainment industry is being a whiny bitch about the whole thing. Relying on the government to censor the internet and punish individuals to protect your business model from having to change is a horrible way of conducting yourself. Instead, they should be looking at ways to change the way they deliver their product, and how to maintain profits, in response to the different market environment. The new streaming systems are a good step in the right direction, but obviously more needs to be done to tempt people away from bootleg copies. Porn is probably a good example. It can be found anywhere for free, but instead of trying to shut down or remove videos from the free websites, the companies have found other ways to make money out of the industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeCee Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 i think there would be less brain trauma and long term damage without gloves / hand wraps, there would probably be more cuts and Hand injuries tho. By taping / wrapping your hands and putting on gloves you can throw punches without worrying about having your hand / wrist giving out. A 4 lb glove isn't designed to protect Ya neck just your hands. If you put on gloves and shit and hit a punching bag then take them off and try to do the same bare fist the difference is huge. It's the same argument you can make for mMa being safer than boXing. Less punches accumulated over time. I can see that by adding greater weight and mass to your hands, you can do more internal damage to the head. I'd think that it would be similar physics to that which makes wearing a bike helmet in a crash more likely to cause internal brain damage, due to the increase in mass upon impact. The weight and size of the gloves would cause more movement and rotation inside the head, which is likely to increase the chances of brain injury. Without gloves, the impact point becomes a lot sharper, which I reckon would be more dangerous in regards to internal organs during body shots. It would also naturally fuck up the face a hell of a lot more, with injuries to eyes, nose and mouth becoming much worse. I'd say that, with the addition of kicks and elbows, this is why you see much more bleeding in MMA than boxing, simply due to the smaller gloves giving a lot more focused damage to the face. I would be interested to see the comparison in regards to brain trauma between mma gloves and boxing gloves though. Personally, I reckon it would be like comparing getting shot by a gun to being shot by a cannon ball. Either way, you're going to be fucked up, it's just a difference in the kind of fucked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs 2 Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 You would have to be pretty dedicated to still be paying for porn these days 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 That is prob because this country advanced beyond even considering the Death Penalty as an reasonable Punnishnent in the late 60's and it's an apolitical issue. But the issue at hand is not whether the death penalty is a reasonable punishment. Well it it is for me... nobody deserves death not even Martin Bryant and if I was given the choice of a long life with an inevitable major series of Mental Illness's in a confined space or death I would eventually want to the Death Penalty TBH. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Heartspur Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) It astounds and saddens me the number of people who are ok with/all for the death penalty. Forget about circumstances, the who, what, why, and where.... People should just think for a moment about what they are actually condoning, and ask themselves if they are really ok with someone being able to decide that another person should die. Are you ok with the fact that you think that way? Is that the way a so-called 'civilised society' should think and act? Edited March 4, 2015 by Pete Heartspur 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moraiwe Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Though I disagree with them, I've got no problem with people thinking state sanctioned murder is acceptable. We all draw lines dividing what we find acceptable from what we don't. I'm sure plenty of people are ok with "someone being able to decide that another person should die" and I don't see how that stops a society from being civilised. My main problem with the death penalty is that it's a little difficult to make amends if the conviction turns out to be incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepdog Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 It astounds and saddens me the number of people who are ok with/all for the death penalty. Forget about circumstances, the who, what, why, and where.... People should just think for a moment about what they are actually condoning, and ask themselves if they are really ok with someone being able to decide that another person should die. Are you ok with the fact that you think that way? Is that the way a so-called 'civilised society' should think and act? Having a brother in law that was addicted to smack (rip jarrod), how about the countless other lives their paxkages would have affected/wrecked/ruined/ended? They knew the penalty, deal with it Are you ok with feeling sorry for convicted heroin traffickers? That sits more wrong with me frankly 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 I only disagree with the death penalty as I see it as an easy way out. There's some scum I'd prefer to see suffer for 80 years in a shitty gaol. I don't get any pleasure out of seeing these guys die, but i also struggle to find much sympathy for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Heartspur Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 I don't feel sorry for convicted heroin traffickers who have to spend many years in jail. I do however feel sorry for convicted heroin traffickers who are being told they will be executed. Probably for the same reasons you are upset about your brother-in-law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 I'm anti the death penalty in any case but I'm particularly in support of these to due to the fact that they were only given death when they appealed their originial life sentence. Making a sentence harsher because of appeal and upgrading to death is not ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mus-28 Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Good riddance. Two less shit stains on this earth. If only we did the same with rapists, pedo's and child abusers, the world would be a much better place. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Knew the rules but took the risk anyway. What stupid assholes. Sick of seeing the families on t.v of the convicted 2 talking about how they have now'changed' what a fucking miracle! Don't tax dollars go towards building/running prisons? Death penalty would equal less tax would it not? Seems like a win-win situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moraiwe Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Don't tax dollars go towards building/running prisons? Death penalty would equal less tax would it not? Seems like a win-win situation. By this logic, any sentence(for any crime) where the cost of housing a prisoner is more expensive than killing them is one where you'd prefer the death penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Don't tax dollars go towards building/running prisons? Death penalty would equal less tax would it not? Seems like a win-win situation. By this logic, any sentence(for any crime) where the cost of housing a prisoner is more expensive than killing them is one where you'd prefer the death penalty. Obviously for smaller crimes yes, there is a chance of rehabilitation so some prison time may help them. But if someone kills a family or rapes multiple children, what chance of rehabilitation is there? If we had the death penalty tax dollars used to fund to keep these 'people' alive could actually go towards shit we need like building hospitals, improving roads ext. But i guess its better to keep the paedophile alive right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepdog Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 I don't feel sorry for convicted heroin traffickers who have to spend many years in jail. I do however feel sorry for convicted heroin traffickers who are being told they will be executed. Probably for the same reasons you are upset about your brother-in-law. You do feel sorry for convicted traffickers who are being told they will die? Comes back to my point of, they knew the rules, dont fuck with drugs in Indonesia. I know it's harsh but fuck me, rule number one of traveling to indo, which has/should be ingrained on every Australian traveler is, fuck with drugs over there and you're fucked. End of. You say for a civilised country to still use the death penalty is abhorrent to you (or something similar), the USA have the death penalty and last I checked they were pretty fucking civilised. I personally think you are displaying a little casual racism towards our indonesian neighbours by calling them "uncivilized". Their country, their rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moraiwe Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) All the studies I've heard about (though I admit no knowledge of their potential bias) have suggested that capital punishment is more expensive than life imprisonment. Trial costs and appeals are much more expensive. Housing people while on death row is also more expensive. Surprising perhaps, but it's supposedly cheaper to imprison for life. Edit: In the US, that is. Edited March 4, 2015 by Moraiwe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) All the studies I've heard about (though I admit no knowledge of their potential bias) have suggested that capital punishment is more expensive than life imprisonment. Trial costs and appeals are much more expensive. Housing people while on death row is also more expensive. Surprising perhaps, but it's supposedly cheaper to imprison for life. Edit: In the US, that is. Never thought that would be the case tbh, still don't think people like peter dupas and tony mokbel deserve the right to live but we'll just have to agree to disagree. Edited March 4, 2015 by kingofhearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 If you're stupid enough to smuggle drugs into Southeast Asia, you deserve to die. Darwinism noun The process by which, via natural selection, unfit specimens remove themselves from the gene pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) If you're stupid enough to smuggle drugs into Southeast Asia, you deserve to die. Darwinism noun The process by which, via natural selection, unfit specimens remove themselves from the gene pool. FFS that really takes the cake as not only one of yours but one of this years dumbest posts... I mean if you dont already know somebody who provides something to society that deserves to live that has fuckwits for parents (Which I am sure you do know of a few) then do yourself a favour on go on Wikipedia and you will quickly find millions of cases of such PPL throughout World History. In fact seeing as I am bored here is one: Tony Cooke is a very well respected and well liked academic in WA and the bloke's dad was Eric Cooke who was Perth's worst and most infamous Serial Killer who killed at least Eight People mainly at random... and you know what mate - Eric Cooke was also the last man hung in Western Australia. Edited March 4, 2015 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 If you're stupid enough to smuggle drugs into Southeast Asia, you deserve to die. Darwinism noun The process by which, via natural selection, unfit specimens remove themselves from the gene pool. FFS that really takes the cake as not only one of yours but one of this years dumbest posts... I mean if you dont already know somebody who provides something to society that deserves to live that has fuckwits for parents (Which I am sure you do know of a few) then do yourself a favour on go on Wikipedia and you will quickly find millions of cases of such PPL throughout World History. In fact seeing as I am bored here is one: Tony Cooke is a very well respected and well liked academic in WA and the bloke's dad was Eric Cooke who was Perth's worst and most infamous Serial Killer who killed at least Eight People mainly at random... and you know what mate - Eric Cooke was also the last man hung in Western Australia. So what your saying is that capital punishment improves their child's chance of contributing to society.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs 2 Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 They were always going to face the firing squad and there is nothing we could have done to change there minds. The Netherlands and Brazil just went through the exact same thing. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/indonesia/11353318/Brazil-and-Netherlands-recall-ambassadors-after-Indonesian-executions-for-drugs-offences.html I personally don't believe in the death penalty, at the same time I don't think other country's should be trying to pressure Indonesia into using there style of justice. They broke there rules in there country they should be able to punish them however they see fit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) If you're stupid enough to smuggle drugs into Southeast Asia, you deserve to die.Darwinismnoun The process by which, via natural selection, unfit specimens remove themselves from the gene pool.FFS that really takes the cake as not only one of yours but one of this years dumbest posts... I mean if you dont already know somebody who provides something to society that deserves to live that has fuckwits for parents (Which I am sure you do know of a few) then do yourself a favour on go on Wikipedia and you will quickly find millions of cases of such PPL throughout World History. In fact seeing as I am bored here is one: Tony Cooke is a very well respected and well liked academic in WA and the bloke's dad was Eric Cooke who was Perth's worst and most infamous Serial Killer who killed at least Eight People mainly at random... and you know what mate - Eric Cooke was also the last man hung in Western Australia. So what your saying is that capital punishment improves their child's chance of contributing to society.... That conclusion was almost as bad as Strider's but at least you didn't quote the work of Darwin to make it... Edited March 4, 2015 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 If you're stupid enough to smuggle drugs into Southeast Asia, you deserve to die.Darwinismnoun The process by which, via natural selection, unfit specimens remove themselves from the gene pool. FFS that really takes the cake as not only one of yours but one of this years dumbest posts... I mean if you dont already know somebody who provides something to society that deserves to live that has fuckwits for parents (Which I am sure you do know of a few) then do yourself a favour on go on Wikipedia and you will quickly find millions of cases of such PPL throughout World History. In fact seeing as I am bored here is one: Tony Cooke is a very well respected and well liked academic in WA and the bloke's dad was Eric Cooke who was Perth's worst and most infamous Serial Killer who killed at least Eight People mainly at random... and you know what mate - Eric Cooke was also the last man hung in Western Australia. So what your saying is that capital punishment improves their child's chance of contributing to society.... That conclusion was almost as bad as Strider's but at least you didn't quote the work of Darwin to make it... Yeah fuck that Darwin guy with his renowned evolutionary and natural selection theories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Comes back to my point of, they knew the rules, dont fuck with drugs in Indonesia.I know it's harsh but fuck me, rule number one of traveling to indo, which has/should be ingrained on every Australian traveler is, fuck with drugs over there and you're fucked. End of.lol, there are no laws in Bali, unless the police think they can extort $$$ from someone or there is some external pressure put on them to act. There are especially no laws when it's something the locals are fine with, as the closest thing to a functioning police force that exists in Bali are the local gangs. And I dont think the majority of Balinese people give a fuck about drug use, considering half the population seem to be trying to sell drugs, and Balinese people like anything that helps with tourism or that they can make money off of. Fucking with drugs in Bali is generally not going to be a problem. But the AFP dobbed these guys in, which then would have lead to the external pressure I mention coming from above to the local authorities, which got the Bali 9 arrested.Similar reasons as to why I think the whole #boycottbali thing is retarded, why damage the livelihoods of extremely hard working and generally lovely people that have nothing to do with these 2 blokes getting executed. Indonesian laws, not Balinese laws. AFP got them arrested, not the Balinese people, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jun Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) It astounds and saddens me the number of people who are ok with/all for the death penalty. Forget about circumstances, the who, what, why, and where.... People should just think for a moment about what they are actually condoning, and ask themselves if they are really ok with someone being able to decide that another person should die. Are you ok with the fact that you think that way? Is that the way a so-called 'civilised society' should think and act? Having a brother in law that was addicted to smack (rip jarrod), how about the countless other lives their paxkages would have affected/wrecked/ruined/ended? They knew the penalty, deal with it Are you ok with feeling sorry for convicted heroin traffickers? That sits more wrong with me frankly Then it's a good thing killing them will solve the worlds drug problem. Capital punishment does not work, rehabilitation works. Killing these two young men who by all accounts are rehabilitated, destroys any hope for the future for other inmates in Kerobokan or the rest of Indonesia. For all of Widodo's political posturing, he's about to severely fuck Indonesia's prison system. I'm sorry for your loss Edited March 4, 2015 by Jun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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