heart_fan10 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Thompson and Hoffman can both fuck off back to Newcastle. Rubbish players can't stand to watch either of them and one of them was out captain today FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexandro Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 The one good thing to take from this game is that Victory are going to have some stiff competition end of this season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mus-28 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 fuck me we have the most passionless bunch of cunce playing football for us. If Sir Alex was our manager he'd run out of shit to throw at players after the games. I've seen roadkill offer more movement. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 If we had Popo we'd be a far better team IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InMyHeart Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 We looked slow in mid, they looked fast and dangerous... With 10 men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALZALOL Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 fuck me we have the most passionless bunch of cunce playing football for us. If Sir Alex was our manager he'd run out of shit to throw at players after the games. I've seen roadkill offer more movement. Can confirm aforementioned roadkill was several months old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloughie Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 If there's one piece of my mind I want to hand out at the meeting this week, it's how fucking gutless our "brand" of football is. Don't care so much about the size of my chosen club's trophy cabinet or the number of fans or marquee players, but that team is a mob of cowardly pricks. Who the fuck ever heard of a team a man up playing static hoofball in possession? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benzema23 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) I am so sick of this shit. Sorry, but this is just as much the fault of some of the shit players we have in this squad as it is John Aloisi. I mean his coaching mistakes are obvious. If John Van't Schipp had to prepare for a game like this he would have played a 3-3-1-3 like he did last year when we were out of defenders, but he sure as hell wouldn't have started Hoffman at left back! I could actually see a plan with JVS and we played 'something' at all times. Today was just pathetic, you can tell that the team lacks any kind of preparation going into these fixtures. The commentator said that we had started to have a good run as of late with the win over the roar and the reds, but those are two games out of a whole season, when we haven't even had an away win in a year. Gonna be hard to get pumped for the Derby... Would've been nice to have Milicic as head coach and Aloisi as assistant. Edited January 26, 2013 by benzema23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexandro Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 fuck me we have the most passionless bunch of cunce playing football for us You seriously think it's the players? It's the coaching. It always starts at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Does anyone know if we catch planes to sydney or drive that bus? I know to the away CCM game we drove the bus. If we drive to all away games to sydney id say that has a pretty big impact. Although that doesnt explain the brisbane, perth or the wellington away games. Unless the club is so poor they get there late the day before then play the next day which would have a huge impact. WSW simply wanted it more today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 We are consistent. It is not good enough. Last week we bossed Adelaide. This week it was back to how we played Sydney, Wellington... Perhaps we need an away coach and keep JA for home games only. JA might have had a half time spray but the problem is in the system we are deploying and the lack of ticker from our players. Now on to next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 fuck me we have the most passionless bunch of cunce playing football for us You seriously think it's the players? It's the coaching. It always starts at the top. when there is obviously no effort, like today, you cant just blame the coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart_fan10 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Germano must play right back next week, walker not up to it. Start grella in the midfield, and start babalj. Best thing about tonight is Hoffman got his 5th yellow of the season so he's suspended for next week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 We are shit. All those in favor say "Aye", those opposed say "No" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombegongal Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 What gets me the most is the half time comments which were just be better. I suspect we have 1 plan and if we can't pull that off we have donuts. Last week against Adelaide it worked against a tactically inept coach. Against a very sound and organised team like WSW we are made to look second rate and have no ability to change a thing. Whilst I admire a coach toiling with his system and believe Aloisi should be given time I also feel Aloisi needs a senior assistant to help him out. Out thought tonight. Last thing I'd like to address is no Fred no Heart. He has been bad this year but he still has a work rate much higher than any other player in our team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Seagull Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 I think with myself still at Heart we would've played much better. I mean, I am a better player than Thommo, won't stuff around and I'd get a pass off quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benzema23 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Totally agree that Germano needs to play RB, he played full back last year at some point and did a good job (he actually knows how to tackle). Babalj and Grella don't necessarily need to start and we still don't know how fit they are, but when they came on you could tell that they meant business... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dRoy Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Best thing about tonight is Hoffman got his 5th yellow of the season so he's suspended for next week best news of the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millm103 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 A number of things to take out of tonight's game 1. Vrankovic can play 1st team football but isn't ready yet. Def had the potential but seemed to be 3 seconds behind everyone else, this really gave them a few chances where they shouldn't have been there. 2. We can only score on the counter attack, when we have possession we don't seem dangerous, but when wsw had it in their half I was biting my nails 3. What an immediate impact Eli and grella had. I feel as soon as they came on we looked a lot more composed than usual. My above point about only scoring on the counter attack was not true when these two came on. Will be exiting to watch grella and Eli really gel with the team in the next few weeks. At the start of the game I would of taken a draw or even a 1 nil lose tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InMyHeart Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Nah this is beyond a joke, Hoffman has no right to play LB. What a disgrace The anger I haver ATM why the fuck was he LB when I read the lineup I knew we were fucked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 TBH I don't really care any more whether it's the coaches or the players or both or neither. I'm just fed up with the same performance being repeated over and over again. There may be some technically good players in there, and JA may turn out to be a good coach in the end, but the chemistry isn't right and overall we have a poor team. Once more after a good home result in front of a reasonable crowd we've shot ourselves in the foot. So happy together? Forget it please. Not the right time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Even Tadic scored from the spot, we wouldve lost somehow so it's good that no one has mentioned him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandev Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Worst performance ever!!! Embarrassing to play so poorly. Hoffman has had his chance and we couldn't get the best out of him, his gotta go, I'm sure another coach may resurrect his career, but we have failed to. Thompson, Kalmar, Germano average also. Williams was a star, note how he played far deep in Hofmans pocket, shows to me that he had no confidence in him., Vrankovic made a few errors and paid a silly penalty for one, but he also kept keisenger at bay, and Gerhardt And redders saved us from further embarrassment. Can't believe Aloisi and Fox couldn't tactically change the game half time. Embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) I think with myself still at Heart we would've played much better. I mean, I am a better player than Thommo, won't stuff around and I'd get a pass off quick. I agree you were hard done by Christian 7,8,9 Sarkies. The way the club dumped half our squad from last season and changed the coaching line-up 100% in the name of promoting from within has cost us dearly this season. We are so disjointed. Mind you Redders did very well. ps I know I have moved onto next week. Edited January 26, 2013 by Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millm103 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Sorry for the supporters that went tonight, what a horrible feeling it must be, especially the ones who went to Sydney a few weeks before. I think anyone who went tonight should each get to spank Hoffman 10 times each Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandev Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Move on to next week? Did you see victory tonight? They were pretty good, that's the diff between a decent coach and a 1st year coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbournehammer Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Just think the 4-3-3 was made to look like an ultra defensive system because of our inability to press higher up the park. The work rate was simply not there all night and I can't believe how badly we miss Fred and his desire to press the ball. No-one else seemed prepared to do so. I read recently an interview with Matt Thompson where he said they'd changed formation from one defensive midfielder last year to two thi year - we played like that all night - two defensive midfielders marking space in front of the back four - and you know what - wsw never sent midfielders into that space - so we had two players not impacting the game in anyway - and we let it drift on and on and on. Aloisi needed to actually switch formations with ten minutes to go in the first half when we were being overrun. His failure to do so is truly disappointing. Losing is part of the sport but to have lost when outplayed everywhere against a side down to ten men after ten minutes is astounding. Strangely our best spell of the game may well have been when it was 11 v 11 - and if I am right it is an indictment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Move on to next week? Did you see victory tonight? They were pretty good, that's the diff between a decent coach and a 1st year coach. Oh well. We get smashed next week and then win our home games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyheart Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Paddy G despite nearly scoring his 2nd goal for them was our best and only positive. saved us from a 6 love straight sets smashing. Garcia has such little impact so far wide. Need gol gol out there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ja 27 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) THAT'S HOFFMAN'S 5TH YELLOW CARD OF THE SEASON!!! AT LEAST WE KNOW HE'LL DEFINITELY WON'T PLAY NEXT WEEK IN THE DERBY!!! This. Will win derby 1-0 full stop. Edited January 26, 2013 by Ja 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart_fan10 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 agree that our best spell of the game was when we were 11 v 11 In regards to the last chance of the game, thought Tadic was a little slow to react and also went in a bit soft. IMO should've gone in and just slammed his foot through the ball. Literally needed to smash covic's head and the ball in the back of the net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mus-28 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 the benefit of the 4-3-3 is the versatility to turn it into a 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-3-2, but we seem to stick to a 4-2-3-1 and sit unbelievably deep and never exploit the flanks or support the strikers. 3-5-2/5-3-2 is the way to go with the squad we have at our disposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Thompson was shizen tonight... Trying Flicks and shit when not needed. Passing was laughable. Thomo out, grella in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexandro Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) agree that our best spell of the game was when we were 11 v 11 In regards to the last chance of the game, thought Tadic was a little slow to react and also went in a bit soft. IMO should've gone in and just slammed his foot through the ball. Literally needed to smash covic's head and the ball in the back of the net Would that have counted as two goals? Edited January 26, 2013 by alexandro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) The fish rots from the head... Aloisi is clearly tactically inept, I've always thought he was a stupid bloke, decent footballer but a shit problem solver and innovator. If I was in his shoes, I wouldn't have started Hoff (obviously), but even if I did, he would have been dragged at 30. He brought Grella on way too late! We had completely lost control of the match at this stage. He should have been brought about 5-10 minutes in to the half, after nothing had changed at the break. He took off our best mid in Germano to bring him on too. Kalmar stayed on way to long, and as I posted a couple of days ago, we would get buttf*cked with him at number 10. Tadic had poor movement (and a lack of service mind you) I don't think he should have played the full 90, coz he was so quite and really lost us that extra man advantage. We were in need of something to steady the ship sooner, needed some conviction, some presence, calmness in possession and we needed much quicker movement to run their 10 men off their feet. He could have done any of the following which would have worked better IMO: Take Hoffman off, bring Grella on and move Thompson to LB, Take Hoffman off for Mitchinson, Walker off and bring Grella on, moving Germano to RB, Take Hoffman off for Mitchinson, Kalmar off and bring Grella on, moving Germano to AM, Then Tadic off for Babalj at around 70 - The pair had never trained or played together, and the team had never even practiced the formation at training. You just can't chuck them on together, pull a new untried formation out of your ass and hope it works, not when the game is worth 3 championship points! And not when you're being run off the park away from home with a man advantage! Aloisi, sort your shit out. MHFC, if he is going to be your savior, offer him the support and resources he needs to excel, rather than throwing away a season and the best squad we have ever assembled, just so JA can 'learn'... I have no doubts that JVS would have us in the top 4 if he was still around, comfortably. Edit: Just an observation, but we really missed Colosimo, it's obvious in games that we build up through him, and he has been really solid since his early season fuck-ups. Anyone know what was wrong with him? Edited January 26, 2013 by LR9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstam Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Milicic enjoying a drink or two tonight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart_fan10 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) the club has obviously chosen aloisi for certain marketing reasons, but what was even more stupid was to appoint the delivery boy as his assistant. If you're going to have a rookie first team coach, it's only logical to appoint an experienced coach as assistant, someone like Miron Bleiberg, or even an experienced coach from abroad would've been fine. What's the point of playing 4 at the back against 10 men? We're getting hammered in the midfield, surely it makes sense to push and extra man up to take control in the middle? I think we'll make finals this season, but we'll forever be a mid table team if we continue like this. Not good enough for a club who needs to grow its crowds. EDIT: scott munn tweeted that colosimo was "injured and unavailable" didn't say when he would be back though, hopefully just a niggle Edited January 26, 2013 by heart_fan10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulhollanddrive Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 25 shots conceded to a 10 man team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Take Hoffman off for Mitchinson, Kalmar off and bring Grella on, moving Germano to AM, - This Then Tadic off for Babalj at around 70 - The pair had never trained or played together, and the team had never even practiced the formation at training. You just can't chuck them on together, pull a new untried formation out of your ass and hope it works, not when the game is worth 3 championship points! And not when you're being run off the park away from home with a man advantage! - And this I have no doubts that JVS would have us in the top 4 if he was still around, comfortably. - And this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Melbourne Heart FC @MelbourneHeart 96' CAUTION | Babalj goes into the book for delaying the restart#AustraliaDay #goheart #WSWvMH WTF??? Why would he want to delay the restart? I'm pretty sure the ref pointed at his head when he gave the yellow card - I think he got Babalj confused with Tadic and so the yellow was intended for Tadic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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