GreenSeater Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Hungary shares a border with Syria?ah didn't mean to write Syrian border, my bad, well spotted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeCee Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Surely the China FTA won't end up failing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015  I haven't seen this clip on The Project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jun Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited)  I haven't seen this clip on The Project.I haven't seen this clip verified either.Seems like a large group of people throwing stones at two hungarian sounding men in a train. Did these two men give them asylum? Did these two men giving them asylum send the unreportedly Syrian refugees into a stone throwing frenzy? Edited September 10, 2015 by Jun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Dont get hung up on the name of the clip but rather the actions of these "poor refugees". Even if these guys were told to fuck off back home theres no excuse for chucking stones. So what the clip is staged? I guess the reports of aggressive young men rocking up to Greece/hungry etc etc and causing mayhem are untrue too?  Ill add, it took me under 10 minutes to find half a dozen clips of more young men basically rioting on the streets of budapest shouting "allah akbar". Cant blame Hungry one tiny bit mate. Wouldnt want that scum in my country either. Edited September 10, 2015 by HeartFc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jun Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 All we see here are a group of people in backpacks throwing stones at a train, you know nothing of the context of this video, only assumptions based on wider issues facing parts of eastern Europe.This could be (refugee or not) a gang of opportunistic looters, as we only see young men in backpacks and not families and children.It could be young men newly arrived in Hungary driven to acts of violence by fear, anger, and misinformation.Don't give in to fear too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Oh just a random gang of mostly Pakistanis rioting on the streets of budapest... nothing to fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) All we see here are a group of people in backpacks throwing stones at a train, you know nothing of the context of this video, only assumptions based on wider issues facing parts of eastern Europe.This could be (refugee or not) a gang of opportunistic looters, as we only see young men in backpacks and not families and children.It could be young men newly arrived in Hungary driven to acts of violence by fear, anger, and misinformation.Don't give in to fear tooSorry mate but you're clutching at straws,  it's pretty well documented that Syrian refugees being absolute cunts in the countries they pass through is common. Why do you think these countries try to not let them in even though they're just passing through?Does it change the fact these people need help/asylum? I guess not.Are these trouble makers a minority? Possibly.But you really can't deny something that's been covered by major news agencies and also with tons of videos proving it across the internet.Granted, these videos are propaganda for the people against taking in refugees, but the exact same can be said for the videos showing the struggles of the refugees etc., those are propaganda for helping refugees more. both are reality and this isn't a black and white situation. Edited September 10, 2015 by Tesla 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Good point, let me rephrase, there will be a US recognised Kurdish state within the next 5 years.Being my ancestry, I can tell you that since there was never a Chaldea and/or Assyrian state in Iraq (Catholic minority), there will never be a Kurdish state. Kurdistan will join the ranks of Yugoslavia and all other dissolved/dead nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Being my ancestry, I can tell you that since there was never a Chaldea and/or Assyrian state in Iraq (Catholic minority), there will never be a Kurdish state. Kurdistan will join the ranks of Yugoslavia and all other dissolved/dead nations. Well it's the best and probably only chance that they will have in our life times. They were probably a 70% chance a year ago and now more like a 50% chance but that's still a lot more than they'll see when the whole ISIS situation is resolved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Surely the China FTA won't end up failing?I hope not.fair dinkum this country has got to a sorry state when the Bolsheviks of the CFMEU are the puppet masters of the opposition leader.even "dan the canceller" supports it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jun Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Sorry mate but you're clutching at straws,  it's pretty well documented that Syrian refugees being absolute cunts in the countries they pass through is common. Why do you think these countries try to not let them in even though they're just passing through?Does it change the fact these people need help/asylum? I guess not.Are these trouble makers a minority? Possibly.But you really can't deny something that's been covered by major news agencies and also with tons of videos proving it across the internet.Granted, these videos are propaganda for the people against taking in refugees, but the exact same can be said for the videos showing the struggles of the refugees etc., those are propaganda for helping refugees more. both are reality and this isn't a black and white situation.Exactly the point I'm trying to make.But posting a video with zero validation and saying "why doesn't the left acknowledge this?" is ridiculous and helps no one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Exactly the point I'm trying to make, the left helps no one.better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jun Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 It must hurt to be you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted September 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) It must hurt to be youI would have thought HeartFc way of life with his lack of social conscience or moral outrage would be a pretty painless way to live... Edited September 11, 2015 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Carn Turnbull 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Team Turnbull checking in. Cya Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Oh please let this happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Quick look on sportsbet but seemingly no specific market for the ballot, just $1.10 for Turnbull to be leader at next election, 1.07 for Abbott to be next party leader removed, and 1.05 for Turnbull to be next Coalition leader.Shit odds not worth betting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Bill Shorten. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted September 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Turnbull is too much of a pussy to move without knowing he must have a healthy share of the numbers so you would have to presume he must be the favourite... his not the type to do a Howard or Keating and fight it out from the Backbench.It will be interesting to see if the Media dedicates as much of its time to Turnbull's being Catholic (He actually converted to the religion as well)Â as it does to Abbott and his faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Turnbull is too much of a pussy to move without knowing he must have a healthy share of the numbers so you would have to presume he must be the favourite... his not the type to do a Howard or Keating and fight it out from the Backbench.It will be interesting to see if the Media dedicates as much of its time to Turnbull's being Catholic (He actually converted to the religion as well) as it does to Abbott and his faith.I think you're right but he also doesn't have a lot to lose TBH. Holds the shittest portfolio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) If Big Mal gets up surely the Melbourne Metro will get funding with his love affair of using PT Edited September 14, 2015 by hedaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Heartspur Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Bill Shorten. Wow.It's the day he's been dreading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Was turnbull the one saying how important the NBN is?Lets go turnbull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted September 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) I think you're right but he also doesn't have a lot to lose TBH. Holds the shittest portfolio. Well he wouldn't be able to do his constant media appearances to promote himself if he lost, he will clearly win as he is not a fighter.If Big Mal gets up surely the Melbourne Metro will get funding with his love affair of using PTTurnbull says he likes a lot a things when he doesn't have to commit to things... reminds me of another Malcolm who passed away recently.It's the day he's been dreading.Not necessarily, most Turnbull lovers are already ALP voters and as his time as opposition leader showed he is not a fighter... Abbott does some ridiculously stupid things basically every week but nobody can deny that he will fight until his death. The only thing that is certain is that who ever wins will probably want an early election and that all of this is Costello mess as if he just hung around for a few more years none of this would be happening. Edited September 14, 2015 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Heartspur Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Not necessarily, most Turnbull lovers are already ALP voters and as his time as opposition leader showed he is not a fighter... Abbott does some ridiculously stupid things basically every week but nobody can deny that he will fight until his death. The only thing that is certain is that who ever wins will probably want an early election and that all of this is Costello mess as if he just hung around for a few more years none of this would be happening.So you think Abbott would still be a chance to win the next election? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 As I read it Abbott has, proportionally, more support from his parliamentary colleagues than he does in the electorate. Abbott lost me, a Liberal voter, a few months ago, but I wouldn't like to call tonight's vote.I accept that if Turnbull wins we will see some changes that I probably won't be overly enthusiastic about, but I think with him at the helm we will see a better parliament and therefore better government for our country. The past few years have just been party political name-calling, bickering, and a never-ending blame game. I'm just so sick of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marn11 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 So you think Abbott would still be a chance to win the next election?Without a doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted September 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) So you think Abbott would still be a chance to win the next election?Yes.1. No Federal Government since WW2 has not received a second term... even Fraser won three elections (Amazing Stat that one) and Gough (I dont want to argue Gough tonight but we can agree he was pretty different for his time) won two elections.2. The earlier he goes the clearer the memory of Rudd vs Gillard will be and Shorten is hardly popular.3. The ALP Government who knocked out the one term LNP Government in QLD has done terribly which will be at the back of PPL's mind likewise the ALP Government down here who knocked at the one term Coalition has also made a few significant unpopular decisions... albeit they have nothing on what has happened in QLD. Edited September 14, 2015 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Heartspur Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Yes.1. No Federal Government since WW2 has not received a second term... even Fraser won three elections (Amazing Stat that one) and Gough (I dont want to argue Gough tonight but we can agree he was pretty different for his time) won two elections.2. The earlier he goes the clearer the memory of Rudd vs Gillard will be and Shorten is hardly popular.3. The ALP Government who knocked out the one term LNP Government in QLD has done terribly which will be at the back of PPL's mind likewise the ALP Government down here who knocked at the one term Coalition has also made a few significant unpopular decisions... albeit they have nothing on what has happened in QLD.Fair call.I guess I just see more people switching from voting ALP to Libs if Turnbull is in charge, whereas it is virtually impossible to see Lib voters switching the other way, especially those who don't think he is conservative enough.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Â Â Â At least when Turnbull does lie we'll get a half intelligent excuse rather than some bumbling buffoon dishing out 3 worded mottos. (That was aimed at cadete but quoting sucks on a phone) Edited September 14, 2015 by hedaik 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Fair call.I guess I just see more people switching from voting ALP to Libs if Turnbull is in charge, whereas it is virtually impossible to see Lib voters switching the other way, especially those who don't think he is conservative enough.  no mate after Baillieu I never vote for the labour man in the liberal party again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted September 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 At least when Turnbull does lie we'll get a half intelligent excuse rather than some bumbling buffoon dishing out 3 worded mottos. (That was aimed at cadete but quoting sucks on a phone)They did not work that well for the last PM who never came up through the party... KEVIN07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 And he's gone.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Well they might just win my back after that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 what a joke. turnbull will be gillard lite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Well, it looks like the Liberal's are about to get a great pat on the back from Fairfax and the ABC - Just before they stick the knife in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jun Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Turnbull is too much of a pussy to move without knowing he must have a healthy share of the numbers so you would have to presume he must be the favourite... his not the type to do a Howard or Keating and fight it out from the Backbench.It will be interesting to see if the Media dedicates as much of its time to Turnbull's being Catholic (He actually converted to the religion as well)Â as it does to Abbott and his faith.Turnbull hasn't been know to use his catholicism as basis for political policy in a secular countrySo no, can't imagine the media will give a shit Edited September 14, 2015 by Jun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepdog Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Â am I the only one who doesn't really give a flying rats arse?Its all a bit meh to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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