fensaddler Posted May 15, 2019 Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/14/football-fans-have-long-been-treated-with-contempt-and-there-is-no-sign-of-that-changing Noted this may need merging or moving, but I felt this needed discussion. I've seen enough inside AAMI to suggest that security and policing is awful. Examples: - Fans of WSW and City sitting together as a group of friends at the pre-season FFA Cup match being asked to separate by security staff - Active supporters constantly being hassled for what looks to me to be nothing - 'waving a flag', 'getting too excited', 'throwing a ball about' - there was even one memorable occasion this season when the capo appeared to be ejected, or at least taken out and spoken to - And the one time a robust presence was needed, when the Victory active arrived beered up at Gate 2 and proceeded to shove waiting City fans out of the way, security were nowhere to be seen Really glad this is finally getting the coverage it deserves. We are law-abiding, sensible fifty-somethings. But I and Mrs F are constantly alarmed at what we see inside the ground - including the unnecessarily overwhelming police presence around Active, and the apparent contempt in which soccer fans are held. Especially when all the violence is at the AFL. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted May 15, 2019 Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 17 hours ago, fensaddler said: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/14/football-fans-have-long-been-treated-with-contempt-and-there-is-no-sign-of-that-changing Noted this may need merging or moving, but I felt this needed discussion. I've seen enough inside AAMI to suggest that security and policing is awful. Examples: - Fans of WSW and City sitting together as a group of friends at the pre-season FFA Cup match being asked to separate by security staff - Active supporters constantly being hassled for what looks to me to be nothing - 'waving a flag', 'getting too excited', 'throwing a ball about' - there was even one memorable occasion this season when the capo appeared to be ejected, or at least taken out and spoken to - And the one time a robust presence was needed, when the Victory active arrived beered up at Gate 2 and proceeded to shove waiting City fans out of the way, security were nowhere to be seen Really glad this is finally getting the coverage it deserves. We are law-abiding, sensible fifty-somethings. But I and Mrs F are constantly alarmed at what we see inside the ground - including the unnecessarily overwhelming police presence around Active, and the apparent contempt in which soccer fans are held. Especially when all the violence is at the AFL. In AFL it's called "passion". In soccer, when a kid throws a wrapper on the floor it's called a "riot" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 10 hours ago, Tony999 said: In AFL it's called "passion". In soccer, when a kid throws a wrapper on the floor it's called a "riot" To be fair the AFL doesn't have organised groups of upto 50 people roaming the streets before/after games looking for other fans to fight... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 14 hours ago, malloy said: To be fair the AFL doesn't have organised groups of upto 50 people roaming the streets before/after games looking for other fans to fight... They don't need to. They fight inside the stadium. Seems to be a weekly event for them for the past couple seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 I think with football it’s the little shits that get carried away and look to fight but in afl it seems to be older guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, malloy said: To be fair the AFL doesn't have organised groups of upto 50 people roaming the streets before/after games looking for other fans to fight... Isn’t the issue that police and security are unable to differentiate between the normal fans in the stadium and those so called hooligans outside the stadium. I’ve actually had an experience myself several years back. I received a 48hr ban to the Etihad stadium and had the privilege to be walked out of the ground by 5 Police officers. My offence, I chucked a plastic beer carrier on floor when we got thumbed by Victory. My friends thought it was hilarious and very naughty. Edited May 17, 2019 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 Even the AFL is apologising to their fans. Not FFA though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, belaguttman said: Even the AFL is apologising to their fans. Not FFA though Yes, but the AFL is trying their hardest not to offend anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-18/afl-ground-security-attempts-to-separate-fighting-players/11219462 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 On 17/06/2019 at 10:52 PM, malloy said: Yes, but the AFL is trying their hardest not to offend anyone. Unlike FFA, who are happy to offend fans rather than educate Police and security 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 On 17/06/2019 at 10:52 PM, malloy said: Yes, but the AFL is trying their hardest not to offend anyone. When you do this it's more than likely that you will indeed offend everyone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 Just reading about bankwest stadium I wish we had safe standing at aami Park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 21, 2019 Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 On 20/06/2019 at 6:15 AM, citypool said: Just reading about bankwest stadium I wish we had safe standing at aami Park There's absolutely no reason why it could not be done except the intransigence of the management of AAMI Park, and Victoria Police and other "security" authorities. Clearly FFA must be on-side with WSW, otherwise they could not be doing it. The engineering involved is minimal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted June 21, 2019 Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 2 hours ago, jw1739 said: There's absolutely no reason why it could not be done except the intransigence of the management of AAMI Park, and Victoria Police and other "security" authorities. Clearly FFA must be on-side with WSW, otherwise they could not be doing it. The engineering involved is minimal. Im not sure WSW would need the ok from FFA for safe standing. Seems to me like it would be a deal between WSW and the Stadium owners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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