Unpopular Opinions That You Have.

[cadete]

These PPL should be looking into the countless amounts of idiots who chain up big dogs in their backyards rather than those who allowing horses to do what they naturally want to do.

[HeartFc]

Ye I always thought horses had legs like tree trunks because they were bred to run. Silly me.

[strider]

Depression is not an illness 

[Tesla]

Depression is not an illness

1/10 trolling. Try again.

[cadete]

Depression is not an illness 

:droy:

 

Edited November 5, 2014 by cadete

[strider]

 

Depression is not an illness

1/10 trolling. Try again.

 

 

Studied Psychology, doing masters atm.

 

Not an illness IMO and in a few other's opinions. 

 

 

It is not an illness.  It is the body’s natural feedback system.  It is nature’s way of trying to induce in us some motivation to make changes in our lifestyle – to eat better; to abstain from toxic substances; to get out in the fresh air and sunshine; to identify goals and pursue them; and to talk to friends and family honestly and openly about the things that trouble us.  If we do these things consistently and regularly – if we integrate these things into our daily routines, then we will start to feel good.  If we don’t do these things, we will feel depressed.  Or as Peter Breggin, MD, puts it in Antidepressants Cause Suicide and Violence in Soldiers:  “The principles for overcoming depression are exactly the same principles required for living a good and happy life.”

 

Everybody experiences an occasional down day.  But we also know what to do about it – get out for a walk; start a project; talk to a friend or loved one, etc.  Chronically depressed people, however, are individuals who have been neglecting these areas for years.  They spend most of their lives indoors.  They are often over-weight, have no goals other than the next TV show, and although they may have many acquaintances, they tend not to share their concerns and worries in an open and honest manner.

 

Of course, not all depressed people are deficient in all these areas.  Some depressed people eat well, but never share their worries or concerns with anybody.  Others share their worries, but have no purposeful activities.  Others have purposeful and rewarding jobs, but never get outdoors and never engage in physical activity, and so on.

 

To feel consistently good, we need to have all of these factors present in our lives to a substantial and significant degree.  Nor is this such a daunting proposition.  A person who eats moderately from the five main food groups; who controls his intake of sugar and alcohol; who doesn’t smoke; who has a job or hobby that provides challenges and a sense of fulfillment; who gets outdoors most days for exercise or even for a brisk walk; and who has at least one other person with whom he is open and honest, will feel generally positive.  A person whose life is lacking in one or more of these areas will feel generally negative.  This latter is not an illness – it is not an instance of something going wrong in our bodies.  Rather it is an instance of something going right.  Depression is a message from the organism calling for change.  Induction of negative feelings is the only language the organism has to express the need to make changes.

 

http://www.behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2009/07/28/depression/

 

There is no physiological ramification for the psychological "illness" that is depression. 

Often, physiological consequences while being depressed are self-induced i.e. Self-harm (stop harming yourself), constantly tired (get out more, get some air / sun), lack of motivation (find a hobby, get some friends).

 

Compare depression to anxiety.

Anxiety can cause panic attacks and even in some cases heart attacks. Depression? Nothing. Quite literally nothing - unless you inflict it on yourself.

 

Food for thought.

 

edit: unpopular opinion for a reason ya dig

Edited November 5, 2014 by strider

[Tesla]

Depression is not an illness

1/10 trolling. Try again.

 

Studied Psychology, doing masters atm.

 

Not an illness IMO and in a few other's opinions. 

 

It is not an illness.  It is the body’s natural feedback system.  It is nature’s way of trying to induce in us some motivation to make changes in our lifestyle – to eat better; to abstain from toxic substances; to get out in the fresh air and sunshine; to identify goals and pursue them; and to talk to friends and family honestly and openly about the things that trouble us.  If we do these things consistently and regularly – if we integrate these things into our daily routines, then we will start to feel good.  If we don’t do these things, we will feel depressed.  Or as Peter Breggin, MD, puts it in Antidepressants Cause Suicide and Violence in Soldiers:  “The principles for overcoming depression are exactly the same principles required for living a good and happy life.”

 

Everybody experiences an occasional down day.  But we also know what to do about it – get out for a walk; start a project; talk to a friend or loved one, etc.  Chronically depressed people, however, are individuals who have been neglecting these areas for years.  They spend most of their lives indoors.  They are often over-weight, have no goals other than the next TV show, and although they may have many acquaintances, they tend not to share their concerns and worries in an open and honest manner.

 

Of course, not all depressed people are deficient in all these areas.  Some depressed people eat well, but never share their worries or concerns with anybody.  Others share their worries, but have no purposeful activities.  Others have purposeful and rewarding jobs, but never get outdoors and never engage in physical activity, and so on.

 

To feel consistently good, we need to have all of these factors present in our lives to a substantial and significant degree.  Nor is this such a daunting proposition.  A person who eats moderately from the five main food groups; who controls his intake of sugar and alcohol; who doesn’t smoke; who has a job or hobby that provides challenges and a sense of fulfillment; who gets outdoors most days for exercise or even for a brisk walk; and who has at least one other person with whom he is open and honest, will feel generally positive.  A person whose life is lacking in one or more of these areas will feel generally negative.  This latter is not an illness – it is not an instance of something going wrong in our bodies.  Rather it is an instance of something going right.  Depression is a message from the organism calling for change.  Induction of negative feelings is the only language the organism has to express the need to make changes.

 

http://www.behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2009/07/28/depression/

 

There is no physiological ramification for the psychological "illness" that is depression. 

Often, physiological consequences while being depressed are self-induced i.e. Self-harm (stop harming yourself), constantly tired (get out more, get some air / sun), lack of motivation (find a hobby, get some friends).

 

Compare depression to anxiety.

Anxiety can cause panic attacks and even in some cases heart attacks. Depression? Nothing. Quite literally nothing - unless you inflict it on yourself.

 

Food for thought.

 

edit: unpopular opinion for a reason ya dig

Much better second attempt. 7/10.

[cadete]

 

 

Depression is not an illness

1/10 trolling. Try again.

 

 

Studied Psychology, doing masters atm.

 

Not an illness IMO and in a few other's opinions. 

 

 

It is not an illness.  It is the body’s natural feedback system.  It is nature’s way of trying to induce in us some motivation to make changes in our lifestyle – to eat better; to abstain from toxic substances; to get out in the fresh air and sunshine; to identify goals and pursue them; and to talk to friends and family honestly and openly about the things that trouble us.  If we do these things consistently and regularly – if we integrate these things into our daily routines, then we will start to feel good.  If we don’t do these things, we will feel depressed.  Or as Peter Breggin, MD, puts it in Antidepressants Cause Suicide and Violence in Soldiers:  “The principles for overcoming depression are exactly the same principles required for living a good and happy life.”

 

Everybody experiences an occasional down day.  But we also know what to do about it – get out for a walk; start a project; talk to a friend or loved one, etc.  Chronically depressed people, however, are individuals who have been neglecting these areas for years.  They spend most of their lives indoors.  They are often over-weight, have no goals other than the next TV show, and although they may have many acquaintances, they tend not to share their concerns and worries in an open and honest manner.

 

Of course, not all depressed people are deficient in all these areas.  Some depressed people eat well, but never share their worries or concerns with anybody.  Others share their worries, but have no purposeful activities.  Others have purposeful and rewarding jobs, but never get outdoors and never engage in physical activity, and so on.

 

To feel consistently good, we need to have all of these factors present in our lives to a substantial and significant degree.  Nor is this such a daunting proposition.  A person who eats moderately from the five main food groups; who controls his intake of sugar and alcohol; who doesn’t smoke; who has a job or hobby that provides challenges and a sense of fulfillment; who gets outdoors most days for exercise or even for a brisk walk; and who has at least one other person with whom he is open and honest, will feel generally positive.  A person whose life is lacking in one or more of these areas will feel generally negative.  This latter is not an illness – it is not an instance of something going wrong in our bodies.  Rather it is an instance of something going right.  Depression is a message from the organism calling for change.  Induction of negative feelings is the only language the organism has to express the need to make changes.

 

http://www.behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2009/07/28/depression/

 

There is no physiological ramification for the psychological "illness" that is depression. 

Often, physiological consequences while being depressed are self-induced i.e. Self-harm (stop harming yourself), constantly tired (get out more, get some air / sun), lack of motivation (find a hobby, get some friends).

 

Compare depression to anxiety.

Anxiety can cause panic attacks and even in some cases heart attacks. Depression? Nothing. Quite literally nothing - unless you inflict it on yourself.

 

Food for thought.

 

edit: unpopular opinion for a reason ya dig

 

No shit you are doing Psychology because you clearly never studied Medicine... and thank fuck for that.

 

Clinical Depression is biological fact.

 

 

 

[AyeCee]

Still horribly incorrect though. (In reply to that very poorly composed 'theory'.)

Edited November 5, 2014 by AyeCee

[KSK_47]

Depression? Nothing. Quite literally nothing - unless you inflict it on yourself.

 

 

Thanks for the insight doc. Its been really helpful. Haha.

 

While I do see what you are saying its using a technicality to state things that are untrue. Its like saying aids doesnt kill people.

[HeartFc]

Clinical depression is getting put in the same pot as a knobhead who loses all his dosh at crown and says his depressed...or a pill poppung house wife who is bored out of her brains.

There is a massive difference between a chemical in-balance and being a bored, lazy alcoholic or fat loser. Harsh but the medical research doesn't lie.

[Tesla]

No shit you are doing Psychology

He didn't actually say he is, he says he studied Psychology (could just be 1 subject) and is now doing a Masters (in who knows what field). I did Psychology 1 at uni, so technically I 'studied psychology' as well

Edited November 5, 2014 by Tesla

[KSK_47]

Clinical depression is getting put in the same pot as a knobhead who loses all his dosh at crown and says his depressed...or a pill poppung house wife who is bored out of her brains.

There is a massive difference between a chemical in-balance and being a bored, lazy alcoholic or fat loser. Harsh but the medical research doesn't lie.

 

But why are people "fat losers" as you put it? Could it be a difference in chemical balance when compared to a non "fat loser" that has made them that way which would then lead to depression?

[strider]

 

giant wall of text

 

No shit you are doing Psychology because you clearly never studied Medicine... and thank fuck for that.

 

Clinical Depression is biological fact.

 

 

Clinical depression is a mood disorder in which feelings of sadness, loss, anger, or frustration interfere with everyday life for a longer period of time.

 

Now please refer to what I linked previously http://www.behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2009/07/28/depression/

It is hugely controversial and you will find plenty of evidence for and against it being classed as an "illness". 

 

edit: only real thing separating herp derp one-time sad depression and your preciously anointed "clinical" depression is the period of time. 

Edited November 5, 2014 by strider

[cadete]

 

 

giant wall of text

 

No shit you are doing Psychology because you clearly never studied Medicine... and thank fuck for that.

 

Clinical Depression is biological fact.

 

 

Clinical depression is a mood disorder in which feelings of sadness, loss, anger, or frustration interfere with everyday life for a longer period of time.

 

Now please refer to what I linked previously http://www.behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2009/07/28/depression/

It is hugely controversial and you will find plenty of evidence for and against it being classed as an "illness". 

 

edit: only real thing separating herp derp one-time sad depression and your preciously anointed "clinical" depression is the period of time. 

 

 

 

 

giant wall of text

 

No shit you are doing Psychology because you clearly never studied Medicine... and thank fuck for that.

 

Clinical Depression is biological fact.

 

 

Clinical depression is a mood disorder in which feelings of sadness, loss, anger, or frustration interfere with everyday life for a longer period of time.

 

Now please refer to what I linked previously http://www.behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2009/07/28/depression/

It is hugely controversial and you will find plenty of evidence for and against it being classed as an "illness". 

 

edit: only real thing separating herp derp one-time sad depression and your preciously anointed "clinical" depression is the period of time. 

 

This is actually an even worse theory than:

 

When you advocated that the World needed a WW3 to sort shit out.

Or your conspiracy theory about Aliens being involved with the disappearance of Flight MH18.

 

Its arguments like yours about depression that makes me thank God every day that we live in a Liberal Democracy where the majority of sane PPL prevents this kind of crap from getting any real air time near anyone who is making decisions.

Edited November 5, 2014 by cadete

[HeartFc]

Clinical depression is getting put in the same pot as a knobhead who loses all his dosh at crown and says his depressed...or a pill poppung house wife who is bored out of her brains.

There is a massive difference between a chemical in-balance and being a bored, lazy alcoholic or fat loser. Harsh but the medical research doesn't lie.

But why are people "fat losers" as you put it? Could it be a difference in chemical balance when compared to a non "fat loser" that has made them that way which would then lead to depression?

Cause and effect. Did depression make them fat and socially indifferent or did the depression come after? That's the question. I tend to think you get what you put into life. For example: I've been depressed about mistakes I've made in the past. The mistakes were made out of arrogance, spite and laziness. Depression didn't cause me to make those mistakes. Not saying people with all types of depression shouldn't be helped but I think people use it as an excuse...

Look at depression stats in 3rd world countries, that's where the true answer to theses questions lie.

[strider]

RE: Cadete (not gonna quote another wall of AIDS)

 

It's not an argument or conspiracy. It's a well-known theory. It's been discussed by renowned scientists all over the world. 

I literally just explained to you your own misunderstanding of "Clinical" Depression... then you resort to pulling out my (troll) posts from lord knows how many pages back.

 

Not everyone can discuss things maturely. Some need to argue.

 

edit: Did you know homosexuality was classified as a mental illness in the DSM manual merely a decade or so ago? 

Oh how times change.

 

In 10 years "Depression" will be called "stop being a little bitch and get outside".

Edited November 5, 2014 by strider

[KSK_47]

To all of these people – without exception – I could say, “If I were in your shoes, living the life you are living, I would be depressed too.”

To all of those people living in third world conditions I could say "If I were in your shoes, living the life you are living, I would have all sorts of horrid diseases too".

Just because someones environment plays a role in the problem, does not mean its any less significant. 

[cadete]

 

To all of these people – without exception – I could say, “If I were in your shoes, living the life you are living, I would be depressed too.”

To all of those people living in third world conditions I could say "If I were in your shoes, living the life you are living, I would have all sorts of horrid diseases too".

Just because someones environment plays a role in the problem, does not mean its any less significant. 

 

If Julia Gillard after all of her policy failures could have used the "Troll Defence".

[cadete]

RE: Cadete (not gonna quote another wall of AIDS)

 

It's not an argument or conspiracy. It's a well-known theory. It's been discussed by renowned scientists all over the world. 

I literally just explained to you your own misunderstanding of "Clinical" Depression... then you resort to pulling out my (troll) posts from lord knows how many pages back.

 

Not everyone can discuss things maturely. Some need to argue.

 

edit: Did you know homosexuality was classified as a mental illness in the DSM manual merely a decade or so ago? 

Oh how times change.

 

In 10 years "Depression" will be called "stop being a little bitch and get outside".

If only Gillard could have used "The Troll Defence" for all of her policy blunders.

[AyeCee]

ITT: Yet another edgy uni student believes that he has made a revolutionary discovery, and is going to change the way people think forever.

UOTYH:

Cancer isn't actually an illness.

It's just caused by negative environmental factors in a person's life, and as such, is actually an 'adaptive mechanism'.

Bit of a newsflash strider, the article is about fucking nothing, as all the reasons as to why he argues that depression isn't an illness can be applied to pretty much 99.99% of illness and disease.

Poor health doesn't just happen to cause pain and misery, it is natures way of telling us that something is wrong, and needs addressing. I read nothing in that article that argues that depression is actually different in this regard. Just keeps saying that it occurs when a person isn't living healthy, which is the same cause for every other disease and illness. In fact, after reading that article I'm almost even more certain that depression is an illness.

Tl;dr, all illness is an adaptive mechanism, so the article actually reinforces the idea that depression is an illness.

[strider]

UOTYH: I'm always right

[MaliMate]

Voting strider for poster of the year

[KSK_47]

UOTYH: I'm always right

Haha. Well played

[Grimey]

Clinical depression is getting put in the same pot as a knobhead who loses all his dosh at crown and says his depressed...or a pill poppung house wife who is bored out of her brains.

There is a massive difference between a chemical in-balance and being a bored, lazy alcoholic or fat loser. Harsh but the medical research doesn't lie.

But why are people "fat losers" as you put it? Could it be a difference in chemical balance when compared to a non "fat loser" that has made them that way which would then lead to depression? Digressing slightly but I'm fascinated by the different mindsets of very overweight/obese people.

It's either

"My life sucks because im fat"

Or

"Im fat because my life sucks"

While I would assume more people resonate with the first statement, I think the second is usually the reality for most of the very large people you see around. Very pessimistic view to take but as a member of this forum I'm naturally a 'glass half empty' kinda guy

[malloy]

RE: Cadete (not gonna quote another wall of AIDS)

It's not an argument or conspiracy. It's a well-known theory. It's been discussed by renowned scientists all over the world.

I literally just explained to you your own misunderstanding of "Clinical" Depression... then you resort to pulling out my (troll) posts from lord knows how many pages back.

Not everyone can discuss things maturely. Some need to argue.

edit: Did you know homosexuality was classified as a mental illness in the DSM manual merely a decade or so ago?

Oh how times change.

In 10 years "Depression" will be called "stop being a little bitch and get outside".

Psychologists aren't scientists. Psychology is not a science.

[strider]

 

RE: Cadete (not gonna quote another wall of AIDS)

It's not an argument or conspiracy. It's a well-known theory. It's been discussed by renowned scientists all over the world.

I literally just explained to you your own misunderstanding of "Clinical" Depression... then you resort to pulling out my (troll) posts from lord knows how many pages back.

Not everyone can discuss things maturely. Some need to argue.

edit: Did you know homosexuality was classified as a mental illness in the DSM manual merely a decade or so ago?

Oh how times change.

In 10 years "Depression" will be called "stop being a little bitch and get outside".

Psychologists aren't scientists. Psychology is not a science.

 

 

I wrote a long response to this then ended up backspacing it all cos I realised you're either dumb as shit or trolling.

 

It is too complex to be defined as a science, yet experiments and studies within Psychology follow scientific perimeters. 

[malloy]

 

 

RE: Cadete (not gonna quote another wall of AIDS)

It's not an argument or conspiracy. It's a well-known theory. It's been discussed by renowned scientists all over the world.

I literally just explained to you your own misunderstanding of "Clinical" Depression... then you resort to pulling out my (troll) posts from lord knows how many pages back.

Not everyone can discuss things maturely. Some need to argue.

edit: Did you know homosexuality was classified as a mental illness in the DSM manual merely a decade or so ago?

Oh how times change.

In 10 years "Depression" will be called "stop being a little bitch and get outside".

Psychologists aren't scientists. Psychology is not a science.

 

 

I wrote a long response to this then ended up backspacing it all cos I realised you're either dumb as shit or trolling.

 

It's not really a science, but observations and studies within Psychology follow scientific perimeters so the whole field likes to pretend it is one.

 

 

 

Fixed for you pal. 

[strider]

Okay son you can have the last cookie tonight but I get to tickle your asshole when you sleep

[malloy]

Okay son you can have the last cookie tonight but I get to tickle your asshole when you sleep

 

Lol. I can tell you are butthurt over it, but you are trying to convince yourself that I am just a troll/dumb ass to dismiss what I am saying. 

[KSK_47]

 

RE: Cadete (not gonna quote another wall of AIDS)

It's not an argument or conspiracy. It's a well-known theory. It's been discussed by renowned scientists all over the world.

I literally just explained to you your own misunderstanding of "Clinical" Depression... then you resort to pulling out my (troll) posts from lord knows how many pages back.

Not everyone can discuss things maturely. Some need to argue.

edit: Did you know homosexuality was classified as a mental illness in the DSM manual merely a decade or so ago?

Oh how times change.

In 10 years "Depression" will be called "stop being a little bitch and get outside".

Psychologists aren't scientists. Psychology is not a science.

 

 

Like owed 

Edited November 5, 2014 by KSK_47

[strider]

Nah got better things to do than argue over the internet with intellectually crippled people atm.

21st century Psychology is a science, to an extent. That is a fact. Feel free to continue trying to dispute that... I have nothing invested into it at all. I don't even work in the field.

I raised a thought provoking issue (Depression) and most people on here actually discussed it well. If you can't contribute and you're just gonna be a dick... for the sole purpose of being a dick... you're a dumb ass. It's not even funny... at least try to be funny. You're just a dumb ass.

Woops insulted a mod ban incoming huehuehue

Edited November 5, 2014 by strider

[sheepdog]

21st century Psychology is a science, to an extent.

To an extent?

[malloy]

Nah got better things to do than argue over the internet with intellectually crippled people atm.

21st century Psychology is a science, to an extent. That is a fact. Feel free to continue trying to dispute that... I have nothing invested into it at all. I don't even work in the field.

I raised a thought provoking issue (Depression) and most people on here actually discussed it well. If you can't contribute and you're just gonna be a dick... for the sole purpose of being a dick... you're a dumb ass. It's not even funny... at least try to be funny. You're just a dumb ass.

Woops insulted a mod ban incoming huehuehue

 

 

Lol. I never indicated that I didn't want to debate. You didn't want to to discuss what I had stated (evidenced by the fact that you didn't post your extended response) and instead resorted to insults. 

[strider]

You were being a dick mate. Anyone who is decently educated knows there is a scientific element to Psychology.

Psychologists are not scientists.

Edited November 5, 2014 by strider

[malloy]

You were being a dick mate. Anyone who is decently educated knows there is a scientific element to Psychology.

Psychologists are not scientists.

 

I merely stated something. How you chose to interpret the way I said it is up to you.

 

The thing is, all you have said is that there are similarities in the way that hard sciences are undertaken and psychology, but that in itself is not enough to make it a science.

[kingofhearts]

UOTIH: Russell Brand is not funny.

[carlings]

Air con is a luxury and I don't really miss not having it.

[HeartFc]

UOTIH: Russell Brand is not funny.

Not only that, he seems to be the new poster boy for the far left these days. Full of great ideas with no real clue on how to implement them.

[Tesla]

malloy just mad that psychology is a science, held in the same regard as Chemistry and Physics, even though it's a field that doesn't require much more intellect than that which is required to computer 2 + 2.