Murfy1 Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 The reason Stankovic was released is because he is finished. It's Italy, he would have had another 5 seasons in him, but he's body isn't holding up anymore. He will get injured and miss a lot of our season if we signed him. Not a good move. I reckon he could have a season or two left in him. Richard Garcia looked like a big risk, given the numerous months he missed due to injury in seasons prior to joining Heart, but he turned out to be one of Heart's best signings. Most marquees that look to join the A-League will be players like Shinji Ono, who have had some injuries over their career. So IMO it's a matter of A-League clubs being able to distinguish players who are too injured and past it, and players who have maybe had some injured but still have a lot to offer. On reflection, I'll give Heart a little bit more leeway and say that there maybe hasn't been a great marquee worth signing this off-season, that wouldn't cost Heart 2 million or something. Hopefully the rest of the squad will be sorted out soon enough. Munn suggested that the full squad would be sorted out around the beginning of July, I recall. Also, given that we didn't make the finals, Heart have had a real long time to look for players to sign, so those remaining signings should be sorted out rather soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huzie Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 Could end up like Garcia, could end up like Grella/Fred. We want someone who will play a majority of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 On reflection, I'll give Heart a little bit more leeway and say that there maybe hasn't been a great marquee worth signing this off-season, that wouldn't cost Heart 2 million or something. Hopefully the rest of the squad will be sorted out soon enough. Munn suggested that the full squad would be sorted out around the beginning of July, I recall. Also, given that we didn't make the finals, Heart have had a real long time to look for players to sign, so those remaining signings should be sorted out rather soon. He certainly did indicate that. My reading of the situation is that we haven't made the signings we anticipated we would make - or not yet anyway. Which is disappointing, because the whole idea was to get the squad together earlier rather than later to get a good pre-season into them. I can't see us challenging for the Premiership with the squad we have at the moment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Cain Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 I'm pretty sure this happens every time the club announce a planned date for something. Aloisi before last season - "We're looking at a few players. We need to make sure the foreigners we pick up are the right ones. We are hoping by the start of pre-season in June our squad will be full". As I remember it we hadn't signed anyone by June. I honestly don't understand why they announce these plans to the media if they aren't completely confident of meeting them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 Creates a buzz that the club is searching and has ambition to have a full squad of players very early in the preseason. Not totally disagreeing with you Herman Cain but knowing the club has been striving to find players by a certain date but hasn't quite yet achieved its goal is better than wondering what the hell they are doing, what their ambitions are and asking why theyre not wanting all players to get a full preseason in. This way it's clear to supporters and others they want all these things to happen and are being proactive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 Not sure if he's been mentioned but what about Sébastien Squillaci??? Just finished with arsenal and as far as I know is not signed with anyone yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mus-28 Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 Not sure if he's been mentioned but what about Sébastien Squillaci??? Just finished with arsenal and as far as I know is not signed with anyone yet. As an Arsenal supporter, a big NO from me. He looked like he'd forgotten how to play football and has similar pace attributes as a Sloth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 Not sure if he's been mentioned but what about Sébastien Squillaci??? Just finished with arsenal and as far as I know is not signed with anyone yet. As an Arsenal supporter, a big NO from me. He looked like he'd forgotten how to play football and has similar pace attributes as a Sloth. Fair enough, tbh never really took any notice of him just heard he's out of contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Speaking of Arsenal players, how about Marouane Chamakh? I see he has one year to go on his Arsenal contract after returning from his loan to Westham, but they might be willing to let him go for a couple of million, which I think would be a great price for him considering he's only 29yo! If Heart were willing to pay Norwich a transfer fee for Holt, I'd consider putting in a feeler for Chamakh and see what Arsenal comes back with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyh001 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Speaking of Arsenal players, how about Marouane Chamakh? I see he has one year to go on his Arsenal contract after returning from his loan to Westham, but they might be willing to let him go for a couple of million, which I think would be a great price for him considering he's only 29yo! If Heart were willing to pay Norwich a transfer fee for Holt, I'd consider putting in a feeler for Chamakh and see what Arsenal comes back with. tbh its something that i have thought about too, but I get the feeling Chamakh would want too bigger wage and that he just too poor a work ethic on the field to justify. after all, Chamakh was given a great second chance at the Hammers and didnt make the most of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Speaking of Arsenal players, how about Marouane Chamakh? I see he has one year to go on his Arsenal contract after returning from his loan to Westham, but they might be willing to let him go for a couple of million, which I think would be a great price for him considering he's only 29yo! If Heart were willing to pay Norwich a transfer fee for Holt, I'd consider putting in a feeler for Chamakh and see what Arsenal comes back with. tbh its something that i have thought about too, but I get the feeling Chamakh would want too bigger wage and that he just too poor a work ethic on the field to justify. after all, Chamakh was given a great second chance at the Hammers and didnt make the most of it. Looks like he's going to Spain. http://ibnlive.in.com/news/arsenals-marouane-chamakh-set-to-join-levante/404675-5-21.html This guy getting 65,000 GBP per week - astonishing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 This guy getting 65,000 GBP per week - astonishing! lol the mans gotta eat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 A failed "bid" for Holt and now everyone thinks we can actually buy premier league players 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Im sure they did this but if I were in hearts position come the start of preseason I would have my main marquees that I'd want to sign up eg. Holt, Karagounis. But I would still be searching for other potential marquees in case my first options fall through. I'm hoping they did this from day one and didnt rely on signing one of those two without a back up plan. With these signings they have to plan for the worst hope for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mus-28 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 The metro-sexual Moroccan was on huge dollars at Arsenal because he was signed on a Bosman. About £50k p/w iirc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marteaux Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) I would genuinely end my life if we 1) even looked at signing Chamakh 2) signed Chamakh 3) paid a transfer fee for him. The guy hasn't been good for 5 years. A lazy, overpaid turd with an incredibly overinflated opinion of himself. Edited July 8, 2013 by marteaux 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 I would genuinely end my life if we 1) even looked at signing Chamakh 2) signed Chamakh 3) paid a transfer fee for him. The guy hasn't been good for 5 years. A lazy, overpaid turd with an incredibly overinflated opinion of himself. And uses way too much gel in his hair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimey Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Whilst we're dreaming... Wait a season or two then go after Jonas Gutierrez? Have no idea about his contract situation, but he's now 30, still very sharp and also has some character. Would become a cult figure overnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchPride Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 He's fuckin awful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimey Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 no he's not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AyeCee Posted July 8, 2013 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 no he's not Well you've convinced me now. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of Melbourne Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Adelaide just announced two major signings. Both Spanish players. Come Heart just announce something. Fark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronny Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 lol 'major' 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) Adelaide just announced two major signings. Both Spanish players. Come Heart just announce something. Fark Everyone looks forward to hearing progress on the signing of players side of things but you really want them to sign anyone up just so you can hear an announcement? And then of course you will whinge and complain that they sign shit players. 3 months away from the season and a minimum of 2 signings to be made to complete a starting 11 squad. Need to make calculated decisions not rash ones. Edited July 8, 2013 by n i k o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Adelaide just announced two major signings. Both Spanish players. Come Heart just announce something. Fark Everyone looks forward to hearing progress on the signing of players side of things but you really want them to sign anyone up just so you can hear an announcement? And then of course you will whinge and complain that they sign shit players. 3 months away from the season and a minimum of 2 signings to be made to complete a starting 11 squad. Need to make calculated decisions not rash ones. I fully agree that Heart needs to make careful and calculated decisions. Nonetheless, I do think that Munn and Didulica mismanaged expectations, and gave people the sense that our squad would be effectively complete by now, with possibly the exception of a big international marquee. I'd say all of Heart's 4 signings have been received very well by supporters. It's still the case, though, that the club only has a squad of 17, because of the big clean-out we (thankfully) had at the end of last season. Heart's done some real good work this off-season, but the job isn't done yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Just sign anyone and announce it I say. Id rather get excited now and realise how shit they are later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Adelaide just announced two major signings. Both Spanish players. Come Heart just announce something. Fark Both stars of the Spanish 3rd divi... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mus-28 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Looking on the bright side, hopefully the club are taking their time with signings to avoid a repeat of the likes of Gray, Maycon and co turning out in Heart colours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Adelaide just announced two major signings. Both Spanish players. Come Heart just announce something. Fark Everyone looks forward to hearing progress on the signing of players side of things but you really want them to sign anyone up just so you can hear an announcement? And then of course you will whinge and complain that they sign shit players. 3 months away from the season and a minimum of 2 signings to be made to complete a starting 11 squad. Need to make calculated decisions not rash ones. I fully agree that Heart needs to make careful and calculated decisions. Nonetheless, I do think that Munn and Didulica mismanaged expectations, and gave people the sense that our squad would be effectively complete by now, with possibly the exception of a big international marquee. I'd say all of Heart's 4 signings have been received very well by supporters. It's still the case, though, that the club only has a squad of 17, because of the big clean-out we (thankfully) had at the end of last season. Heart's done some real good work this off-season, but the job isn't done yet. Absolutely the job is far from done and more than likely will get more difficult with each passing week. As I said on the previous page though, from a club perspective it is vital that they send the message that they are striving to have a full squad before preseason starts. It's much more important that they have sent the message to supporters and others that they are being proactive. Had they said they want the squad finalised by July/August people on this forum would be criticising them that players wouldn't get descent preseason ect ect. If they hadn't made any announcement as to when the full squad would be finalised they would be castrated on this forum. It would have been the same hostile environment on this forum as before they got rid of Colosimo, Thompson and Fred. I feel they did the right thing with the announcement and as far as I've heard and read have been working hard to achieve their goal but unfortunately have fallen slightly short. But that doesn't mean it gives us license now to start getting agitated and pissed off all over again at management. Im not directing that at anyone in particular but it's a feeling based on some of the responses over the last couple of days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Just sign anyone and announce it I say. Id rather get excited now and realise how shit they are later. And that's why you are not running the club hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Just sign anyone and announce it I say. Id rather get excited now and realise how shit they are later. And that's why you are not running the club hehe Hehehehe xo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 I feel they did the right thing with the announcement and as far as I've heard and read have been working hard to achieve their goal but unfortunately have fallen slightly short. But that doesn't mean it gives us license now to start getting agitated and pissed off all over again at management. Im not directing that at anyone in particular but it's a feeling based on some of the responses over the last couple of days. As one of those who has commented in the way you mention I'm quite happy to cop the criticism. This is an open forum and everyone is entitled to express their view in a reasoned manner. At this point I feel that we have been misled by some previous statements from MHFC - or perhaps comments attributed to MHFC would be more correct - and I'm not happy about that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Fred, Thompson, Colosimo and Bolton OUT, Wielart, Kewell, Murdocca and Ramsay IN. A pretty good swap over so far. Need a quality striker to fill the gap left by Tadic. Another goalkeeper looks on the way according to news paper talk. Need to have alternatives for DMac and Hoffman. Still work to be done by JA, JD and Munn to have a squad that can last a full season and be able to cope with injuries and make the finals. Great to see Mate at training and looking in good shape. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Geoff Kellaway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Don't know what people are complaining about, heart management have a reputation of fucking us over like this, thought we were use to it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) Just to be clear, Scott Munn said on the 31st of May that Heart would complete the signing of "at least two foreign players within the next 10 days" (http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/news/1154156/heart-still-set-on-kewell"). In that same article, Munn said that Heart were "focusing heavily on filling our three visa spots". John Didulica said in an article on May 29 that "We would expect any foreign-based players and new people we sign to be here by early July, and that would be the case for Harry" (http://www.smh.com.au/sport/a-league/kewell-must-be-fit-for-heart-start-20130528-2n9h8.html). Scott Munn even tweeted on the 21st of May, in response to a tweet asking "Hi @scott_munn, wondering if the Club has a date by which it would like to have all signing complete and preseason in full swing? #goheart", that "all [signings are] to be completed over [the] next 3 weeks". I vividly recall Munn saying in a recent radio interview that our squad was meant to be settled around the start of July, although the signing of an international marquee might take longer. I don't bring this up to blame or berate Heart. Any criticisms I offer are meant to be constructive. I only want the club to make sure that its statements are as truthful as possible, and that there isn't a wide chasm between what the club says and what the club does. I'd like to hear more from the club about how it plans to fill the last 6 spots on our squad list. Recently, Heart was talking about using all 5 of our VISA spots, and securing 2 more 'major signings'. Now the only future events the club is talking about are Garcia and a backup keeper, who might be Velaphi. I'd like to know what happened, and what the club is trying to make happen with regards to our remaining 6 squad spots. Edited July 8, 2013 by Murfy1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 I feel they did the right thing with the announcement and as far as I've heard and read have been working hard to achieve their goal but unfortunately have fallen slightly short. But that doesn't mean it gives us license now to start getting agitated and pissed off all over again at management. Im not directing that at anyone in particular but it's a feeling based on some of the responses over the last couple of days. As one of those who has commented in the way you mention I'm quite happy to cop the criticism. This is an open forum and everyone is entitled to express their view in a reasoned manner. At this point I feel that we have been misled by some previous statements from MHFC - or perhaps comments attributed to MHFC would be more correct - and I'm not happy about that. Forum would be pretty boring if we all agreed that's for sure. Alarm bells haven't quite gone off yet for me, we've had some setbacks the last few weeks regarding some players we were after. However I will start wondering whats going on if we still havent heard anything new before our first preseason game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimey Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 no he's not Well you've convinced me now. He isn't though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huzie Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Diego Forlan tipped to sign with Toronto FC next week, same place Jeremy Brockie is on loan. Golden boot last World Cup...not a massive name but a decent player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphine Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Diego Forlan tipped to sign with Toronto FC next week, same place Jeremy Brockie is on loan. Golden boot last World Cup...not a massive name but a decent player. He's a bigger name than Karagounis Inb4GreekFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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