baddersss Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 That made me feel a lot better about the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedukeofhearts Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 (edited) I keep reading on here and twitter that peter sidewell is very well spoken and people feel better about the club, but was there any substance or just sweet talking. Edited January 30, 2013 by thedukeofhearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 any names of players who we're targeting to sell? Fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of Melbourne Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 what was discussed? Come on lads, details please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Marteaux has done a pretty good job here: https://twitter.com/marteaux_mhfc Also @tommyatthedoor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baddersss Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 They're planning a world class facility at LaTrobe. Grella was cheaper than a youth player. They would take the risk on him again. Membership and match day attendance is the highest priority, along with the long term sustainability. They are scouting for immediate replacements of a CM and a full back. Potential for a w-league team in 2 seasons. Have started contract negotiations with Germano, worried about Fred's age/body. The club spends $550,000 each year on community outreach to kids. There are release clauses in the contract of most of the players. They don't want to lose the players, but at the same time don't want to be the ones to stand in their way of playing at the higher possible level and setting themselves and their families up for life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedukeofhearts Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Did anyone ask or find out why (maybe someone on here spoke to the guys after the forum) -gray was signed -why the active area cant go back (without accepting the normal OHS crap) -what the criteria for selecting our manger was -general questions on our current recruitment plan, previous recruitments or future squad plan (not just this window) ????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 I wassnt at the meeting but im glad to hear they are staying at LaTrobe. There have been a few comments about moving to Epping because its a growth area but Latrobe by far is the better option. Firstly, its situated at a University reknown for its health sciences department, which has its own private hospital. The potential for the club and Latrobe to work together with students getting access to players and inturn the club getting access to the hospital will provide a huge benefit to the club. The university has 30-40k students when I studied there and therefore a huge untapped base of support. Also being at a university means there is far more scope for government funding to build these facilities because its a university and therefore has alot more community benefit than building somewhere else exclusivly for the club and it is no doubt cheaper. I also think latrobe is in the best location, right in a sweet spot and has the potential to become a new football hub for the north west growth areas. I think the epping ground is too far out, especially if we decided one day to move our home games up there. Melbourne is not other cities where they can have different locations for different clubs ie London because the population is no where near the number required to make it work and furthermore, Melbourne is a fucking big city geographically. I know I would struggle getting all the way out to epping from where I live. In saying all this, although this forum is so bi-polar the bottom line is we have a very well run club which started from nothing. If we want to adheare to this youth policy well that will take time to generate succcess and yes we all get pissed off when our good young players get sold but thats the nature of the game. I also think the reserves team in SL2 NW is a master stroke and is going to set up the club for the long term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunheart Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Sidwell is very well spoken, but I kept thinking he just made sure to keep positive and say the right thing. I just got a vibe that we're in a pretty bad financial state. JA his usual cool self, but one or two members made a great point of showing more emotion during/after matches, keeping in mind how its portrayed by the media etc. He stressed we need a real leader in midfield. I wonder how much less if any Colosimo and Thompson try to lead out on the pitch as they've previously had the armband. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC56 Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Did anyone ask or find out why (maybe someone on here spoke to the guys after the forum) -why the active area cant go back (without accepting the normal OHS crap) Answer was if we can consistently fill the front bays it may be possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Anyone actually go ahead and ask about Hoffman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted January 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Did anyone ask how they attend on increasing Attendances and memberships? Why Gray was signed? What's the go with Hoffman? Why do we seem not to give fuck about winning? Why are we so skint with everything? etc or did Sidwell just bluff you all into believe that everything is fine? Where is the substance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marteaux Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Did anyone ask how they attend on increasing Attendances and memberships? Why Gray was signed? What's the go with Hoffman? Why do we seem not to give fuck about winning? Why are we so skint with everything? etc or did Sidwell just bluff you all into believe that everything is fine? Where is the substance? Shut up dickhead. One thing we all may take from this evening is that John Aloisi will be our head coach next year. If you truly love this club - you'll back him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted January 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Lol. Expected something like that when I saw you replied. Can anyone answer my questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theresonlyonebzamora Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Anyone actually go ahead and ask about Hoffman? no but it was essentially implied that if we had the right players for the right positions he wouldn't be needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marteaux Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Lol. Expected something like that when I saw you replied. Can anyone answer my questions? you'd know if you weren't a shit fan and actually went to the forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted January 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 (edited) Lol. Expected something like that when I saw you replied. Can anyone answer my questions? you'd know if you weren't a shit fan and actually went to the forum Had work commitments I tried to get out of but failed and it's not like I could of just headed out to it after work, would arrive two hours after it finished Edited January 30, 2013 by Jimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballism Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Lol. Expected something like that when I saw you replied. Can anyone answer my questions? you'd know if you weren't a shit fan and actually went to the forum Says the bloke who doesn't even want to go to certain matches :droy: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baddersss Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Did anyone ask how they attend on increasing Attendances and memberships? Why Gray was signed? What's the go with Hoffman? Why do we seem not to give fuck about winning? Why are we so skint with everything? etc or did Sidwell just bluff you all into believe that everything is fine? Where is the substance? Aloisi and JD seemed very embarrassed when speaking about Gray, and did admit he was holding up a Visa spot, but weren't worried because of the guest player contract still available. If we had a full squad, Hoffman wouldn't be needed, but Aloisi alluded to almost not being able to field a full squad sometimes. Aloisi seems to have been in Sidwells office asking for more money. Aloisi has full backing of Sidwell, saying he's done a great job with the limited squad he has had. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpy Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Anyone ask about Gray? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted January 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Thanks Badderss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marteaux Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Lol. Expected something like that when I saw you replied. Can anyone answer my questions? you'd know if you weren't a shit fan and actually went to the forum Says the bloke who doesn't even want to go to certain matches :droy: Missed 1 home game in 3 seasons m8, not sure what you are referring to. Also, why weren't you there? Late shift @ coles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Yep went along and Sidwell paints a picture of a club being built for the long run. Community engagement, getting kids involved who will be with the club and building a base over time. He said we've just about at break even at the moment but that I guess also factors in players being sold. He said he was proud to be giving young players a chance to pursue their football dreams and that we should feel proud of that too. The problem ATM is that it creates instability in the team with new players having to be blooded so performances are going to suffer. Sidwell and JA reckon a problem for us this year is that we haven't had a full squad to pick from so our best team hasn't really made it on the park. Also JA/JD agree with comments from members that on field leadership is lacking. This could also explain some erratic performances and lack of Heart on occasions. JA was hoping Grella would provide the onfield leadership but that's gone kaput. It was also put to Sidwell that increasing membership is helped by winning silverware. He said he "got that" and again made the point when summing up the evening. Plenty of other questions asked. Others can add more detail. All in all some good questions and answers were reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Anyone ask about Gray? This is what I wrote in the Jan Transfer topic: Aloisi said that Gray cannot play in left back and he cannot play in midfield, he's just a centre back! So I asked the question, if he can't play in any position other than centre back, but then you don't have him playing in centre back then why is he taking up a Visa spot? Is there a chance he will be released to open up one of the Visa spots and both JA and JD gave me the impression that is a very likely scenario...depending on who they want to sign. They also said that the FFA have made concessions for WSW when it comes to Visa spots so if Heart need to another spot, they'll appeal to the FFA. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marteaux Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Aloisi pretty much implied that Gray sucked balls. In his own words "He isn't a left back, a defensive mid, and as a centreback - he isn't really up to it". Don't say I didn't tell you so JD/SM on twitter. Normally I'd never object to a signing of a player I've never seen but Gray's signing taking up a visa spot whilst we released Kristian K was the most underwhelming piece of business by MHFC of all times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Oh yeah, and there's a Plan B!! Start saving your pennies boys and girls, just in case the memberships haven't grown as much as what we'd like in three years! WE, THE FANS, ARE PLAN B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sash Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Hopefully we'll have an announcement about government funding for stage 1 of La Trobe development within a week or so. They couldn't say that it's going ahead, but it seems they have an expectation that it will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dRoy Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Lol. Expected something like that when I saw you replied. Can anyone answer my questions? you'd know if you weren't a shit fan and actually went to the forum Says the bloke who doesn't even want to go to certain matches :droy: Missed 1 home game in 3 seasons m8, not sure what you are referring to. Also, why weren't you there? Late shift @ coles? Doesn't Jimmy live in warrnambool or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sash Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 (edited) Yep went along and Sidwell paints a picture of a club being built for the long run. Community engagement, getting kids involved who will be with the club and building a base over time. He said we've just about at break even at the moment but that I guess also factors in players being sold. He said he was proud to be giving young players a chance to pursue their football dreams and that we should feel proud of that too. The problem ATM is that it creates instability in the team with new players having to be blooded so performances are going to suffer. Sidwell and JA reckon a problem for us this year is that we haven't had a full squad to pick from so our best team hasn't really made it on the park. Also JA/JD agree with comments from members that on field leadership is lacking. This could also explain some erratic performances and lack of Heart on occasions. JA was hoping Grella would provide the onfield leadership but that's gone kaput. It was also put to Sidwell that increasing membership is helped by winning silverware. He said he "got that" and again made the point when summing up the evening. Plenty of other questions asked. Others can add more detail. All in all some good questions and answers were reasonable. Good summary. Financially, while we might be fairly close to breaking even, that does include player sales. So without these, I reckon the situation would still be worrying. The increased TV money will help next year, and Sidwell seems to think sponsorship will remain ok. But nevertheless, I think it's evident that we still need to increase memberships to be sustainable long term. We can't rely on selling players every year. Edited January 30, 2013 by Sash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 How many people ended up going? Was it bigger than last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexiano Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 How many people ended up going? Was it bigger than last year? I think there were more than last time. I'd be guessing around 80ish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted January 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 (edited) Edit: Post was over the top. Edited January 30, 2013 by Jimmy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defibrillator Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 As an avid follower of the forum I think both of you are great for the club and appreciate your input and humor. I'm not saying kiss and make up, but the last thing I want to see is valuable comment disappear because of public spats. This club is struggling and I dont want to see the heart and soul of the place ripping in to each other. No one has answered the Hoffman question btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dRoy Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 if that coles comment was directed at me... I think it was a cheap shot at Footballism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kinnibari Posted January 30, 2013 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Made an account so I could post my notes from the forum. JD didn't say much, would have been interesting to have SM there. Hopefully he was unavailable because he's off getting us a great signing, who knows. Overall I feel like it went well even though I'm still concerned about our performance on the pitch for the rest of the season. Aloisi (and I think Sidwell?) spoke about the difficulties of having such an unsettled squad with people coming in and out due to injury/unavailability/key players being sold, so hopefully they plan to work on that next year. /optimism. Also Aloisi talked about the importance of having a strong and settled back 4 to build your squad on. (Not sure if he realised he was saying that basically we are fucked...) Also said he thought we were hampered by the squad we had available, that we didn't have strong subs to come on as impact players. Said some weeks it was tricky to work out who would make the bench. Various things from Sidwell's presentation at the start: Club has roughly a 9.5 million budget. Next year will get 2 million from tv deal. They are also feeling confident about getting Westpac to renew as key sponsor and said that Westpac was attracted to the club as a result of all the community work we do (as mentioned we spend $550,000 on community visits and this year have seen 60,000 kids iirc.) They intend to offer subscription (bit of a weird word to use, assume they mean shares or membership in club) to public once the club breaks even. Bad news on the w-league front. Apparently they want to bring in a w-league team but all the w-league sides are mostly paid for by the FFA and state associations (e.g. MV pay very little towards their side). Obviously we don't want to pay for the full thing ourselves if the other clubs aren't so we're trying to get support from FFA and FFV. Later on in the forum someone asked for more info, they said it would likely be not next year but the year after. Good to get some more details but pretty depressing nevertheless. Will have to keep following Canberra from interstate while I wait. We are planning to build our facilities with Latrobe still because they want to become the first choice uni for sport in Australia. We hope to build facilities with them because it's hard to get govt funding. They have a two stage plan, first stage (which is hopefully soon) is to build a good pitch. Second stage building infrastructure. Said they moved to Epping for the youth league because they weren't happy with the other ground. Sidwell said they weren't happy with the schedule this year and will talk to FFA about it. (Was in response to question about getting more Friday night games as a result of the new free to air game.) They want a derby on Christmas eve and also want Labour day weekend game, but also want to talk about the schedule more broadly. Due to the club's focus on kids they have policy of no sponsorship/revenue from gaming/gambling which was good to hear. Close to break even this year partially due to player sales. Described us as 'ok' and that we 'couldn't cry poor'. Someone asked a question about the lack of a crowd sitting on the side the camera is pointing at, even if they're elsewhere in the ground. Said they were talking about how to address it. (Also asked us to please bring a friend.) (My notes now read "Is this a question or a monologue?" and unfortunately that could refer to any one of many questions. You all know who you are.) The new Div 2 team aims to have players between 17 to 21 and flows on from (and possibly into?) youth team, gives us ability to look at players and to coach them the same way we want them to be coached and in a consistent way year round. Apparently the FFA don't want clubs to have private academies, they want clubs to work with states. I got the impression from what Aloisi was saying that he tells his players to stick to the same system due to lack of consistency with the players; because they are not the same each week the consistency is in part driven by the structure and he wants them to know what they're meant to be doing from that because they can't just learn how the player in that position normally likes to play. I might be reading too much into what he said though. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sash Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 No one has answered the Hoffman question btw. I'm not sure what people want to know about Hoffman, but Aloisi was gacious enough to admit that it wasn't really fair on him to be asked to play left back last week. I'm not sure what we're going to do now with Aziz gone. I suppose Mitchinson, but Aloisi seems to think he's maybe not quite ready to hold down a starting spot yet. Also, somebody made the comment that Hoffman isn't a holding mid, to which JA said that currently we have no holding mids. (Apart from PG who's needed in central defence.) We still want to recruit a good one as a priority. Hoffman's basically filling holes because our squad is constantly missing players with injury or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dRoy Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 I don't get it. Gray "isn't up to it" so lets play Hoffman there instead. FFS. Surely gray is better than a Hoffman out of position? If not, wtf were we thinking when we signed him in one of our precious visa spots!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart_fan10 Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 interesting that JA said we dont have any holding mids. Obviously Gerhardt is one but is needed in defence, but what does he classify Germano and Thompson as if they aren't holding midfielders? And if that's the case and we don't have a holding midfielder on our roster, why was Srhoj released at the end of last season? I think our main problem is, and has always been having a solid and stable defence, and if we can find good CB's then Gerhardt can push into the midfield and be more involved in the game because he's a terrific player and leader. There's no use going and getting another holding midfielder when there's other areas that need addressing more urgently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuckinFuts Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Anything on why GolGol isn't being selected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sash Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 interesting that JA said we dont have any holding mids. Obviously Gerhardt is one but is needed in defence, but what does he classify Germano and Thompson as if they aren't holding midfielders? And if that's the case and we don't have a holding midfielder on our roster, why was Srhoj released at the end of last season? I think our main problem is, and has always been having a solid and stable defence, and if we can find good CB's then Gerhardt can push into the midfield and be more involved in the game because he's a terrific player and leader. There's no use going and getting another holding midfielder when there's other areas that need addressing more urgently. Sorry, I think he meant that we don't have a Grella type dominant holding mid who can control a game from that position. Gerhardt was signed to be that player, but we lost Good & Hamill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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