Round 16: Vs The other "One Team in Melbourne"???, 7th February, 7:30pm

[moops]

 

As I am still trying to learn about the game (I know I am a slow learner) I am finding this season that possession does not mean much. Perth have won most of their games whilst losing the possession statistic and thy lost this weekend whilst winning the possession stat. I think that the thinking is that if th other team does not have the ball then they can't score but since its impossible for a team to have 100% of possession then what really does matter is what you do when you do have the ball and conversely what you do when you don't have the ball. And at the moment City don't have the skill set to take full advantage when they do have the ball. IIRC, Murfy showed that our forwards have not scored from open play since late November and they have only scored from penalties. So to summarise we are struggling with depth in defense and struggling with our forwards to score. JVS what are you doing about this?

 

From what I’ve read CFG preach an “effective” possession brand of football, that is you don’t always need to have the majority of possession, but rather make the most of it when you do have it.

 

If you look at the stats throughout this season, more often than not City out-possess their opposition, not necessarily because they’re good at keeping the ball, but rather teams will allow them to have it as they are confident of keeping City out and attacking on the counter.

 

City’s issue of being unable to break down well-structured defences and get behind the last line of defence while being vulnerable on the counter has been evident since the FFA Cup clash against Sydney and no more so again on Saturday night.  

 

As far as I see it there are 2 predominant thoughts on possession positively, total football/Guardiola and gengen press. Gengen press is easy to explain as, when you loose the ball, press and win it back straight away, so if you have possession playing like this you are winning the ball a lot in dangerous areas. The movement off the ball needs to be good, besides the player who lost the ball, there should be two players close by to press as well, these two would have previously been offering themselves as a passing outlet. I could see this happening at Adelaide last year a lot, this year they seem a bit sporadic about it, choosing when to do it or spread the ball into space and play at pace.

The Guardiola way is to move high up the park, compress the space, make pressing easier and just be one or two passes away from scoring, plinking it about until the opportunity arrives.

Now I'm no tactical guru neither, but both needs skilled fast players (sorry to state the obvious) and smart movement off the ball, you don't need to run about like headless chooks, just be smart about how you move so if the ball is lost you can press with multiple players and/or have passing outlets.

Well that's the simplistic way I see it, though I also don't care about overall possession, I would rather care about possession in dangerous areas, because if the back line is plinking it about themselves your not really a scoring threat.

[HEARTinator]

All very interesting. Gengenpressing is a Jurgen Klopp inspired tactic.

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1781622-inside-the-tactical-mind-of-borussia-dortmunds-juergen-klopp

 

As the article says, it "is a rather simple tactical approach: A team simply plays at full pace for 90 minutes, approaching every moment as though they are down a goal late in a major final. After losing possession, players will swarm their opponents, giving them no time on the ball regardless of position and location."

 

In the A-league, played during the summer, this would seem to be a near impossible tactic to employ. Rather, pressing could be adopted at certain times say when the opposition comes into your half of the field. So Vicktree allowed us to have the ball in non-threatening areas, in our half, but when we ventured into their half they then started to put pressure on us. In some cases that pressure extended into our half when they saw that there was an opportunity to harass our defenders.

 

From what I can see, the Vicktree have been using this tactics years. It's pretty much their mode of operation and they have developed it around Thompson and have recruited Berisha to continue their quick counter attacking style.

[moops]

All very interesting. Gengenpressing is a Jurgen Klopp inspired tactic.

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1781622-inside-the-tactical-mind-of-borussia-dortmunds-juergen-klopp

 

As the article says, it "is a rather simple tactical approach: A team simply plays at full pace for 90 minutes, approaching every moment as though they are down a goal late in a major final. After losing possession, players will swarm their opponents, giving them no time on the ball regardless of position and location."

 

In the A-league, played during the summer, this would seem to be a near impossible tactic to employ. Rather, pressing could be adopted at certain times say when the opposition comes into your half of the field. So Vicktree allowed us to have the ball in non-threatening areas, in our half, but when we ventured into their half they then started to put pressure on us. In some cases that pressure extended into our half when they saw that there was an opportunity to harass our defenders.

 

From what I can see, the Vicktree have been using this tactics years. It's pretty much their mode of operation and they have developed it around Thompson and have recruited Berisha to continue their quick counter attacking style.

Correct with Klopp, though Heynckes was seen as having a part in it as well, employing it a little differently.

 

If you look at how the socceroos played, they did this pretty much. They sat quite deep, marking the midfield strongly, pretty much allowing the defenders do what they wanted, but as soon as the ball went into midfield a soccoroo or two would press.

I just think Masscunt learnt from Ange, he may even have spoken to him while he was in Melbourne.

[Ademchee61]

 

'Inner/Inter city elite' someone elaborate on this?

Were a sub group. Thats all.

 

can i join..

[thisphantomfortress]

 

 

'Inner/Inter city elite' someone elaborate on this?

Were a sub group. Thats all.

 

can i join..

 

 

You're eyes aren't blacked out in DP soz brah

[Jovan]

Try contacts

[Tonyboozeadams]

All very interesting. Gengenpressing is a Jurgen Klopp inspired tactic.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1781622-inside-the-tactical-mind-of-borussia-dortmunds-juergen-klopp

As the article says, it "is a rather simple tactical approach: A team simply plays at full pace for 90 minutes, approaching every moment as though they are down a goal late in a major final. After losing possession, players will swarm their opponents, giving them no time on the ball regardless of position and location."

In the A-league, played during the summer, this would seem to be a near impossible tactic to employ. Rather, pressing could be adopted at certain times say when the opposition comes into your half of the field. So Vicktree allowed us to have the ball in non-threatening areas, in our half, but when we ventured into their half they then started to put pressure on us. In some cases that pressure extended into our half when they saw that there was an opportunity to harass our defenders.

From what I can see, the Vicktree have been using this tactics years. It's pretty much their mode of operation and they have developed it around Thompson and have recruited Berisha to continue their quick counter attacking style.

Berisha is also very good off the ball and presses hard. He did that well at roar

[belaguttman]

We play the opposite of gegenpress. We have poor movement off the ball and even though we often play a good midfield team press our instructions are to maintain possession and minimise risk. Klopp emphasises the moment of attacking transition as most important and urges his players to move forward into pockets of space without the ball and for the player with the ball to first look for the forward pass.

JVS asks us to maintain possession, the first ball is often to a player with his back to the goal (who is most vulnerable to a counter-press) who then usually passes backwards or loses time turning around to face goal and look for a pass. Of course with poor movement off the ball there usually isn't a forward option, or else it takes so long that its unlikely that we'll create a 2 on 1 opportunity, usually it becomes a 1 on 3 non-opportunity.

Edited February 13, 2015 by belaguttman

[jw1739]

We play the opposite of gegenpress. We have poor movement off the ball and even though we often play a good midfield team press our instructions are to maintain possession and minimise risk. Klopp emphasises the moment of attacking transition as most important and urges his players to move forward into pockets of space without the ball and for the player with the ball to first look for the forward pass.

JVS asks us to maintain possession, the first ball is often to a player with his back to the goal (who is most vulnerable to a counter-press) who then usually passes backwards or loses time turning around to face goal and look for a pass. Of course with poor movement off the ball there usually isn't a forward option, or else it takes so long that its unlikely that we'll create a 2 on 1 opportunity, usually it becomes a 1 on 3 non-opportunity.

Just watch bloody Hoffman to emphasise Bela's point. He positions his body such that he almost has no choice but to make his pass back and across to Kisnorbo.