Tony999 Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Since the club is doing sweet FA, how about us supporters do something about it and send MHFC an open letter or a petition demanding the sacking of JA. I'm sure there are more then enough intellectuals on this forum that can muster something up and send it express post to MHFC. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 I personally dont think its necessary yet. I am pretty sure the club finally get what we have been saying for a long time, and if they dont they will after next weeks game. If nothings changes after that then maybe worth doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 This is going to keep going in circles... there are too many variables, it's not a simple 'sack the coach and our problems go away' scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted November 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 This is going to keep going in circles... there are too many variables, it's not a simple 'sack the coach and our problems go away' scenario. No it's not, but it's definitely a start! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Already covered. http://www.shootfarken.com.au/melbourne-heart-to-crowdfund-john-aloisi-sacking/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzatron Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 #JVSin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzatron Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Already covered.http://www.shootfarken.com.au/melbourne-heart-to-crowdfund-john-aloisi-sacking/ I hope this is a Victory troll, it shows their sense of humour is improving, classic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 This is going to keep going in circles... there are too many variables, it's not a simple 'sack the coach and our problems go away' scenario. No it's not, but it's definitely a start! better to do so at the end of the year, the players already know his style of play, we have a better chance of winning with him at the helm as opposed to someone coming in and changing the style of play which will take even longer for a positive result on the park. The definite start of which you speak about is best made in the off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexandro Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 This is going to keep going in circles... there are too many variables, it's not a simple 'sack the coach and our problems go away' scenario. No it's not, but it's definitely a start! better to do so at the end of the year, the players already know his style of play, we have a better chance of winning with him at the helm as opposed to someone coming in and changing the style of play which will take even longer for a positive result on the park. The definite start of which you speak about is best made in the off season. It all depends on who comes in. The right coach can make an immediate impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted November 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 This is going to keep going in circles... there are too many variables, it's not a simple 'sack the coach and our problems go away' scenario. No it's not, but it's definitely a start! better to do so at the end of the year, the players already know his style of play, we have a better chance of winning with him at the helm as opposed to someone coming in and changing the style of play which will take even longer for a positive result on the park. The definite start of which you speak about is best made in the off season. Used to what? If they were used to his style surely it would've worked after more than a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 This is going to keep going in circles... there are too many variables, it's not a simple 'sack the coach and our problems go away' scenario. No it's not, but it's definitely a start! better to do so at the end of the year, the players already know his style of play, we have a better chance of winning with him at the helm as opposed to someone coming in and changing the style of play which will take even longer for a positive result on the park. The definite start of which you speak about is best made in the off season. It all depends on who comes in. The right coach can make an immediate impact. We are paying out the contract of Aloisi... that's a lot of money to fork out in one go! Then to lure a coach with an initial payment and then a lucrative (has to be lucrative so we get a decent coach) offer for 3-4 years. Including the payout of assistant coaches and staff. and the re-hiring of new coaches and staff as well. It's a very painful process for the club. then to unlearn kicking the ball long to the shortest player on our team, and learn a new style... we'll be fucked for the home derby, let alone all the rest of the games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 This is going to keep going in circles... there are too many variables, it's not a simple 'sack the coach and our problems go away' scenario. No it's not, but it's definitely a start! better to do so at the end of the year, the players already know his style of play, we have a better chance of winning with him at the helm as opposed to someone coming in and changing the style of play which will take even longer for a positive result on the park. The definite start of which you speak about is best made in the off season. Used to what? If they were used to his style surely it would've worked after more than a season. You aren't taking into account that most of our players haven't been there longer than a season. The amount of players that are replaced is amazing. im not making excuses, just sick of hearing the whole, 'get rid of Aloisi', 'The club doesn't know what they're doing', 'The people behind the scenes are crap' and so on and so forth. We all want the success, but without the collateral behind us we can't do shit. This year is definitely a defining year for us. we either make a stand or we will stay in the lower end of the table for the next 5 years. Used to what? If they were used to his style surely it would've worked after more than a season. If they were used to his style, and it's proven to win games then it's the players fault for not making the right decisions. If they aren't used to the style, then it's the players fault for not executing what is needed at the right time, thus making the wrong decisions. Again, I'm sick of hearing 'quick fixes'. We all pour our hearts into this club and feel that we aren't rewarded, i understand that fully... But to react in a way where it will send the club back a further 5 years isn't the right decision unless we have collateral backing (which we don't) You all have a right to voice your opinion, but lets not get carried away with the rolling of heads as yet, because the repercussions could be worse than what we have now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 This is going to keep going in circles... there are too many variables, it's not a simple 'sack the coach and our problems go away' scenario. No it's not, but it's definitely a start! better to do so at the end of the year, the players already know his style of play, we have a better chance of winning with him at the helm as opposed to someone coming in and changing the style of play which will take even longer for a positive result on the park. The definite start of which you speak about is best made in the off season. It all depends on who comes in. The right coach can make an immediate impact. We are paying out the contract of Aloisi... that's a lot of money to fork out in one go! Then to lure a coach with an initial payment and then a lucrative (has to be lucrative so we get a decent coach) offer for 3-4 years. Including the payout of assistant coaches and staff. and the re-hiring of new coaches and staff as well. It's a very painful process for the club. then to unlearn kicking the ball long to the shortest player on our team, and learn a new style... we'll be fucked for the home derby, let alone all the rest of the games. Like I've said many times...that's the cost of doing it. That has to be balanced against the cost of not doing it. The longer this goes on...it will cost more to attract a good coach to a basket-case club. Many of our players are out-of-contract at season's end...who will want to re-sign? What players will want to come and play for a basket-case club, and how much will they want to do so? Who will rush to renew membership for next season? Who wants to sponsor a basket-case club that seems unable to make any decisions? And so on and so forth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 This is going to keep going in circles... there are too many variables, it's not a simple 'sack the coach and our problems go away' scenario. No it's not, but it's definitely a start! better to do so at the end of the year, the players already know his style of play, we have a better chance of winning with him at the helm as opposed to someone coming in and changing the style of play which will take even longer for a positive result on the park. The definite start of which you speak about is best made in the off season. It all depends on who comes in. The right coach can make an immediate impact. We are paying out the contract of Aloisi... that's a lot of money to fork out in one go! Then to lure a coach with an initial payment and then a lucrative (has to be lucrative so we get a decent coach) offer for 3-4 years. Including the payout of assistant coaches and staff. and the re-hiring of new coaches and staff as well. It's a very painful process for the club. then to unlearn kicking the ball long to the shortest player on our team, and learn a new style... we'll be fucked for the home derby, let alone all the rest of the games. Like I've said many times...that's the cost of doing it. That has to be balanced against the cost of not doing it. The longer this goes on...it will cost more to attract a good coach to a basket-case club. Many of our players are out-of-contract at season's end...who will want to re-sign? What players will want to come and play for a basket-case club, and how much will they want to do so? Who will rush to renew membership for next season? Who wants to sponsor a basket-case club that seems unable to make any decisions? And so on and so forth. I will re-sign, and cant see myself not re-signing, ever. Players wouldn't want to leave as getting a job somewhere else at another club would be hard. Yes some will go, but we will have a team regardless. The culture at the club is great, from all accounts. The only thing that attracts a good coach is money. Guus went to russia, not because it's a good team, but because the money was great. Money also brings players... Paying out so much at the one time, wont be good for the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melburnian Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 "Get out of our club, get out of our cluuuuuuuuuuuub. You useless bastards, get out of our club." Should be sang while pointing at the ownership area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGaffer Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 The unfortunate thing with private ownership is that the members of the club are not really members. Buying your yearly ticket is not a membership to the club. It is just a yearly ticket for a seat but they market it as a member. Unlike ALF clubs, where members have the ability to vote in and out board members, in the A-League this does not happen. The board can do whatever it likes without any need to be accountable to its so called "members". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 The unfortunate thing with private ownership is that the members of the club are not really members. Buying your yearly ticket is not a membership to the club. It is just a yearly ticket for a seat but they market it as a member. Unlike ALF clubs, where members have the ability to vote in and out board members, in the A-League this does not happen. The board can do whatever it likes without any need to be accountable to its so called "members". Under the thumb of the FFA of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 This is going to keep going in circles... there are too many variables, it's not a simple 'sack the coach and our problems go away' scenario. No it's not, but it's definitely a start! better to do so at the end of the year, the players already know his style of play, we have a better chance of winning with him at the helm as opposed to someone coming in and changing the style of play which will take even longer for a positive result on the park. The definite start of which you speak about is best made in the off season. Used to what? If they were used to his style surely it would've worked after more than a season. You aren't taking into account that most of our players haven't been there longer than a season. The amount of players that are replaced is amazing. im not making excuses, just sick of hearing the whole, 'get rid of Aloisi', 'The club doesn't know what they're doing', 'The people behind the scenes are crap' and so on and so forth. We all want the success, but without the collateral behind us we can't do shit. This year is definitely a defining year for us. we either make a stand or we will stay in the lower end of the table for the next 5 years. Used to what? If they were used to his style surely it would've worked after more than a season. If they were used to his style, and it's proven to win games then it's the players fault for not making the right decisions. If they aren't used to the style, then it's the players fault for not executing what is needed at the right time, thus making the wrong decisions. Again, I'm sick of hearing 'quick fixes'. We all pour our hearts into this club and feel that we aren't rewarded, i understand that fully... But to react in a way where it will send the club back a further 5 years isn't the right decision unless we have collateral backing (which we don't) You all have a right to voice your opinion, but lets not get carried away with the rolling of heads as yet, because the repercussions could be worse than what we have now. You have some valid points. And yes, the repercussions could be just as bad if not worse. But as jw1739 touched on, it's the risk you take and at least supporters see you attempt to make changes. My concern is for the club, because if this continues our membership next year will be halved (if lucky) and then questions will be raised should this club exist at all in the following A-league season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzstaa3 Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 we should do it for 40 min then bang out a chant for the last 5 min of the half IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 we should do it for 40 min then bang out a chant for the last 5 min of the half IMO. I owe you a like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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