cadete Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Which one do you want to win????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 One won't be there come next federal election and the other one is a wanker who refuses to delegate anything. It will be a minor miracle for Gillard to win her Electorate come state election time. Neither will be PM when the votes are counted at the end of the next federal election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braveheart Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 It will be a minor miracle for Gillard to win her Electorate come state election time. Don't mean to be a smart ass but what do you mean by this? Gillard has nothing to do with state politics. She is the Federal member for Lalor. It just happens that her electorate is in Victoria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Don't mean to be a smart ass but what do you mean by this? Gillard has nothing to do with state politics. She is the Federal member for Lalor. It just happens that her electorate is in Victoria. Loss of Electorate before Federal election would leave her out running for top job, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Both are horrid candidates and Federal Politics is a bore but I guess around election time I take more of an interest. That and when someone is up against an ignorant fuckwit who struggles to remember his own policies. Rudd/Gillard > Abbott. Rudd > Gillard Though it was close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braveheart Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 No, no. You said, 'It will be a minor miracle for Gillard to win her Electorate come state election time'. Just wondering what Julia Gillard or her seat/electorate have to do with the State Election? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marteaux Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Joe Hockey for PM. Bloke makes me laugh so hard. Would love to have a fat prick as the leader of our country, regardless of his views on things (which I know nothing about as I just sit there and roff when he's on call during Question Time or on telly). They are both as incompetent and unpopular as eachother, but have we any worthy as a predecessor who could actually do a better job than either of them? If someone says T Abbot I'll castrate myself with a fork. Guy is a fuck wit. Rat Face or Mr Sheen, take your pick.. As it's all we've got. Also: can't seem to like any politicians. They all seem to be snappy wankers and none seem like genuine people. Peter Garrett goes alright as I am a midnight oil tragic and he likes trees and shit but apart from that, meh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchPride Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Joe Hockey on Sunrise every Friday, biggest cringe when he can't answer any questions so he just debates about random bullshit that is so far out of context. Peter Garret for prime minister, actually crack up laughing every time I see that dance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Kevin is playing it well, brilliant theatre, I must say. FORZA KEVIN. Kill the slut. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Neither? Lol before he was destroying the FFA, Clive the other week was destroying the labor party, saying they wont win a seat in the Queensland state election. Whether true or not, given the fact that so many people vote for who they think will win rather than based on policies etc., it would have hurt them even more in Queensland. If they are that screwed in Queensland, come the next federal election they are probably in a spot of bother if they basically have 20% of the country which off the bat isn't going to provide much support. This whole thing is just hurting the labor party more, can't wait to see the result at the next federal election. Addressing the question, if I HAD to choose between Rudd or Gillard, definitely Rudd. LOL @ a female in charge of a country, should never happen in all honesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marteaux Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Tesla, whilst I agree that Gillard shouldn't be prime minister - Thatcher was pretty good, contrary to popular belief. She is proof that chicks in positions of power make more well thought out, effective and beneficial decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Tesla, whilst I agree that Gillard shouldn't be prime minister - Thatcher was pretty good, contrary to popular belief. She is proof that chicks in positions of power make more well thought out, effective and beneficial decisions. Lol, a lot of people would disagree. Actually I dont mind me some Thacher, strong von Hiyak influence on her policies, of course I would like such a thing (von Hiyak > *). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Thatcher is Gillard, Gillard is Thatcher. Killing primary and secondary sectors of the economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toogood18 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Look both are bad but Rudd is heaps better than Gillard. Being a Liberal backer I'd like to see a Liberal government but seriously can't see the people voting Abbott into power, even though he is better than Rudd and Gillard, I still can't see it happening 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Thatcher is Gillard, Gillard is Thatcher. Killing primary and secondary sectors of the economy. In terms of economic policy they are almost exact opposites. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) They're both exactly the same, i can't stress that enough. Push comes to shove, the Caucus still hates Kevin Rudd, he doesn't have much of a hope in regaining the leadership of the party. Personally i find Gillard to be less of a smug asshole than Kevin - watching him talk about foreign policy makes me gag. Also, you have to hand it to Julia, she has balls. Unlike Kevin he pussied away after his ETS got shut down in parliment, Gillard has been pursuing good aggregate supply/environmental policy that will in the long term benefit the country despite widespread dislike, which is impressive. Nonetheless, I hate my party. Paul Keating for PM again. Edited February 22, 2012 by Che 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted February 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 TBH it boils down to this Rudd has no mates (His an up himself douche) so Julia will win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toogood18 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Thatcher is not Gillard, Thatcher was a fantastic visionary, Gillard is a short sighted incompetent leader 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butty Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Thatcher was good because she didn't take shit. She ruled with an iron fist and and a big black cock. Do people genuinely think these two are the two candidates for the PM role though? To me, resigning as Foreign Minister is only furthering the point that K-Rudd isn't going for the top job. However, due to my lacking in political knowledge, I could be wrong. Am I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braveheart Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 To me, resigning as Foreign Minister is only furthering the point that K-Rudd isn't going for the top job. However, due to my lacking in political knowledge, I could be wrong. Am I? Yes you are wrong. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butty Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 There we go. Glad that is sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braveheart Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Thatcher is not Gillard, Thatcher was a fantastic visionary Oh wow. I just don't have the energy for this one.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) Thatcher was good because she didn't take shit. She ruled with an iron fist and and a big black cock. Do people genuinely think these two are the two candidates for the PM role though? To me, resigning as Foreign Minister is only furthering the point that K-Rudd isn't going for the top job. However, due to my lacking in political knowledge, I could be wrong. Am I? Not really, the way I see it either he was forced to resign because he wouldnt back Julia, or he has resigned to make julia's government look unstable and help him mount his challenge. If he didnt resign, challenged, and failed, he surely wouldn't have been around afterwards anyway. The good news from all this it makes the labor party look bad. Not that I am a liberal party man by any means, too me they are both the same at this stage and they just put forward policies chasing votes rather than maintaining what the party's historically stand for. However, for the lower house, I would vote liberal purely down to how the system is set up. I live in an extremly safe Labor area, so we dont get shit from the government, neither federal or state. So by voting liberal I am at least making the two closer in my seat and therefore increase the odds of the government actually giving a fuck about us. So if this weakens the labor party, labor party vote drops in my area, the 2 main parties become more even, government starts promising us shit and doing shit to get votes. Edited February 22, 2012 by Tesla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braveheart Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) Not really, the way I see it either he was forced to resign because he wouldnt back Julia, or he has resigned to make julia's government look unstable and help him mount his challenge. If he didnt resign, challenged, and failed, he surely wouldn't have been around afterwards anyway. He resigned today because he was in line to be dismissed from the Foreign Affairs portfolio/front bench as soon as he was to return from Washington later this week. Jump before you are pushed as to appear to be the one with the decision making power. Walking out on the portfolio will only help his challenge that would have inevitably been called before parliament resumes next week. Turns out Gillard is trying to get the jump on him and has called the caucus ballot for Monday. Gives Rudd less time to sure up the numbers and negotiate with the factional leaders for ministry positions if his ticket was to get up. Edited February 22, 2012 by Braveheart 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 He resigned today because he was in line to be dismissed from the Foreign Affairs portfolio/front bench as soon as he was to return from Washington later this week. Jump before you are pushed as to appear to be the one with the decision making power. Walking out on the portfolio will only help his challenge that would have inevitably been called before parliament resumes next week. Turns out Gillard is trying to get the jump on him and has called the caucus ballot for Monday. Gives Rudd less time to sure up the numbers and negotiate with the factional leaders for ministry positions if his ticket was to get up. Strong explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braveheart Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Strong explanation. Sarcasm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) Nah, for once it was legit. Rudd should have just kicked back as foreign affairs minister, surely one of the best jobs in government. Well being an ambassador or whatever is even better since its more of a kickback, but still gets to travel around the world on the public's dime, be treated like a king in random countries because his on that international delegate time, etc. Edited February 22, 2012 by Tesla 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perthheart Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Kevin is playing it well, brilliant theatre, I must say. FORZA KEVIN. Kill the slut. Can't sum it up any better than this. Get in there Ruddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranerz21 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 hate gillard with a passion, so want rudd to win but can we see if Hoffman will run for PM coz ill vote for Hoffy over those two any day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Wouldn't vote for Hoffman. Can't football, surely can't PM. Interesting to see how Rudd goes, think Gill will win but if Rudd were to get a fair chunk of seats it could get interesting over the next few months. FWIW, Gill called the vote for 10am monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braveheart Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 if Rudd were to get a fair chunk of seats eh.. What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marteaux Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Can't believe no one picked up on my Thatcher troll on page 3. Poor form guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 This thread. Rudd won't get up, as BH noted Gillard has got the jump on him by calling for a ballot at 10am on Monday. Further, it will be interesting to see how KRudd approaches the independents (who are holding the Gillard Govt up), and the Greens. From what we can see in the press (which has been pretty poor unfortunately), most of the Labor heavyweights are backing Gillard. If most of the talent is backing Gillard, in the unlikely event Rudd gets up, I would be interested to see who forms his cabinet. Unless of course they're all blood sucking mercenaries. Unfortunately, Federal Labor is a bit of a joke. Luckily, the LNP is more of a joke right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Can't believe no one picked up on my Thatcher troll on page 3. Poor form guys. This another troll? Rudd won't get up, as BH noted Gillard has got the jump on him by calling for a ballot at 10am on Monday. Further, it will be interesting to see how KRudd approaches the independents (who are holding the Gillard Govt up), and the Greens. From what we can see in the press (which has been pretty poor unfortunately), most of the Labor heavyweights are backing Gillard. Greens? Why you mention Greens..? Independents..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) This thread. Rudd won't get up, as BH noted Gillard has got the jump on him by calling for a ballot at 10am on Monday. Further, it will be interesting to see how KRudd approaches the independents (who are holding the Gillard Govt up), and the Greens. From what we can see in the press (which has been pretty poor unfortunately), most of the Labor heavyweights are backing Gillard. If most of the talent is backing Gillard, in the unlikely event Rudd gets up, I would be interested to see who forms his cabinet. Unless of course they're all blood sucking mercenaries. Unfortunately, Federal Labor is a bit of a joke. Luckily, the LNP is more of a joke right now. Let's get honest... Gillard will not win because of the jump - She will win because no ALP Politicians or Power Brokers like Rudd because his a control freak hence the amount of senior ministers openly trashing him in the media. And you obv dislike the LNP and Abbott and could never fathom how someone could vote for them, but you cant not seriously say that they in a worst state than the ALP right now - they will win the next election easily. Everybody knows this - including the ALP MP's themselves, some of the seats they are set to lose are ridiculous. Edited February 23, 2012 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 LNP > ALP Rudd > Abbott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I dont vote for either of them... But the election is over, its a fact - The Coaltion will win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I will be voting for whoever isn't Andrew Robb. The cunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braveheart Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I dont vote for either of them... But the election is over, its a fact - The Coaltion will win. Huge statement more than 15 months before the next election. Much bigger turn arounds have happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) The good thing about a strong coalition win would be the Greens power is eroded, too many hipsters voting for the greens and fucking shit up. Edited February 23, 2012 by Tesla 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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