Unions

[bt50]

First decent thing hes done. Dont bend to the will of the criminal organisations Biiiiiiiiillllllll

[thisphantomfortress]

4 minutes ago, bt50 said:

First decent thing hes done. Dont bend to the will of the criminal organisations Biiiiiiiiillllllll

On a personal level I agree, but you don't bite the hand that feeds you. He's fucked himself on this one. He either bows to their pressure and gives the Libs fuel for a "he's controlled by the unions" angle or he goes against them and loses Union support 

[bt50]

5 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said:

On a personal level I agree, but you don't bite the hand that feeds you. He's fucked himself on this one. He either bows to their pressure and gives the Libs fuel for a "he's controlled by the unions" angle or he goes against them and loses Union support 

Haha absolutely. Correct move in practice, but it's politically almost suicidal.

Not that it will change a unionist vote. They're hardly going to vote libs just cos Ole Bill tells them theyve been greedy. More likely its starts putting the nail in Bills coffin if he doesnt win the election.

[thisphantomfortress]

2 minutes ago, bt50 said:

Haha absolutely. Correct move in practice, but it's politically almost suicidal.

Not that it will change a unionist vote. They're hardly going to vote libs just cos Ole Bill tells them theyve been greedy. More likely its starts putting the nail in Bills coffin if he doesnt win the election.

The Greens would be gunning for more than just the seat of Melbourne 

[bt50]

10 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said:

The Greens would be gunning for more than just the seat of Melbourne 

May the many faced god have mercy on our souls if the Greens ever get in to power....

[Tesla]

28 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said:

The Greens would be gunning for more than just the seat of Melbourne 

They're going to have trouble keeping Melbourne TBH, let alone gunning for anything else.

Edited May 16, 2016 by Tesla

[thisphantomfortress]

12 minutes ago, Tesla said:

They're going to have trouble keeping Melbourne TBH, let alone gunning for anything else.

I'm honestly on the verge of voting for alp just to get Bandt out. A vote for the liberals here isn't worth the paper it's written on 

[Tesla]

6 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said:

I'm honestly on the verge of voting for alp just to get Bandt out. A vote for the liberals here isn't worth the paper it's written on 

Vote #1 Liberal, preference Labor ahead of Greens. Easy.

It would be surprising if the Greens didn't hold it but if it's close the minor parties trolling the Greens by preferencing Labor cause of the senate voting thing could make the difference. Eg read an article the other week that the Sex Party expects to get over 3% of the vote in Melbourne and are preferencing Labor over Greens (despite, I imagine, having very little in common with Labor lol).

Edited May 16, 2016 by Tesla

[cadete]

14 hours ago, Tesla said:

Vote #1 Liberal, preference Labor ahead of Greens. Easy.

It would be surprising if the Greens didn't hold it but if it's close the minor parties trolling the Greens by preferencing Labor cause of the senate voting thing could make the difference. Eg read an article the other week that the Sex Party expects to get over 3% of the vote in Melbourne and are preferencing Labor over Greens (despite, I imagine, having very little in common with Labor lol).

The Sex Party is just a Lobby for the Adult Entertainment Industry... that's how they get their money for their campaigns.

A feminist friend I had for while last year who used to attend their events even admitted as much to me that this was basically all they were... so its makes sense that they would preference a party who could win Government like the ALP rather than the Greens as they only really have one objective in terms of policy.

[thisphantomfortress]

10 minutes ago, cadete said:

The Sex Party is just a Lobby for the Adult Entertainment Industry... that's how they get their money for their campaigns.

A feminist friend I had for while last year who used to attend their events even admitted as much to me that this was basically all they were... so its makes sense that they would preference a party who could win Government like the ALP rather than the Greens as they only really have one objective in terms of policy.

A bloke from work is a "member" he reckons it's basically a bunch of libertarians funded by King St

[cadete]

22 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said:

A bloke from work is a "member" he reckons it's basically a bunch of libertarians funded by King St

Yeah that is what she said... 

But they have their events on Sydney Road, invite a few Drag Queens and pay for some free booze to target their possible demographic of voters.

[thisphantomfortress]

1 minute ago, cadete said:

Yeah that is what she said...

But they have their events on Sydney Road, invite a few Drag Queens and pay for some free booze to target their possible demographic of voters.

Sounds like this guys demographic

[Tesla]

3 hours ago, cadete said:

The Sex Party is just a Lobby for the Adult Entertainment Industry... that's how they get their money for their campaigns.

A feminist friend I had for while last year who used to attend their events even admitted as much to me that this was basically all they were... so its makes sense that they would preference a party who could win Government like the ALP rather than the Greens as they only really have one objective in terms of policy.

Yeah I was aware they're just a Adult Entertainment lobby but I think they gave preferences to the Greens last time, hence why it is of some significance that they are giving them to the ALP this time (and since their vote is expected to grow)

[cadete]

14 minutes ago, Tesla said:

Yeah I was aware they're just a Adult Entertainment lobby but I think they gave preferences to the Greens last time, hence why it is of some significance that they are giving them to the ALP this time (and since their vote is expected to grow)

They have probably got more sophisticated and organised since then and saw little gain in preferencing The Greens.

The Greens themselves have certainly become a hell of a lot more sophisticated since Lower House Representation has become a reality... they now have a balancing act on their hands between gaining more representation/but keeping their apathetic lefty image for their supporter base in tact as the same time. This was something The Australian Democrats ultimately failed to accomplish in the end.

Speaking of Third Parties, this election is going to be interesting in that regard to where the Apathetic Conservative Vote goes as this the third election where large parts of the electorate will going into Election Day annoyed with Party Room Leadership Spills. Last election The Palmer Party took a lot of these votes but they basically exploded within a couple of years (Even One Nation were around for longer) and this does not give a great incentive for these PPL to vote for such parties... will these votes return to the Major Two or go to some other crazy place again.

[Tesla]

58 minutes ago, cadete said:

They have probably got more sophisticated and organised since then and saw little gain in preferencing The Greens.

The Greens themselves have certainly become a hell of a lot more sophisticated since Lower House Representation has become a reality... they now have a balancing act on their hands between gaining more representation/but keeping their apathetic lefty image for their supporter base in tact as the same time. This was something The Australian Democrats ultimately failed to accomplish in the end.

Speaking of Third Parties, this election is going to be interesting in that regard to where the Apathetic Conservative Vote goes as this the third election where large parts of the electorate will going into Election Day annoyed with Party Room Leadership Spills. Last election The Palmer Party took a lot of these votes but they basically exploded within a couple of years (Even One Nation were around for longer) and this does not give a great incentive for these PPL to vote for such parties... will these votes return to the Major Two or go to some other crazy place again.

The two biggest minor parties on the right both seem pretty stable TBH, one being the LDP and the other Family First. If those votes go outside the main parties you'd have to think FF is the logical choice since there doesnt seem to be any other notable party that meets the criteria, but logic doesn't always apply (eg PUP). But most the PUP votes should return to the main parties you'd think. Though apparently Lambie is a legitimate chance for a senate seat (lol wtf is wrong with Tasmania), so maybe a significant amount will go to the ex-PUP running as independents.

FWIW, I am optimistic in the LDP having at least 1 senator again, their primary vote has always been good and in fact they lost out a number of times by the preference deals the other minor parties did, so I dont think the senate voting changes will be too harmful. Last election they almost had enough votes for 2 senators, people put that down to voters mistakenly voting for them thinking they were the Liberal party in NSW, which obviously had a significant affect in terms of votes, but I think it made no difference to the result for the LDP as they would have had a senator regardless. I can only imagine an increase in votes, firstly because as we've seen on this forum, a lot of young people don't like the Liberal party's stance on social issues like gay marriage, internet censorship, marijuana, etc and the LDP is the only choice if you believe those things and aren't a socialist. Secondly, because they proved themselves a stable and effective party which removes the risk involved in voting for a minor party which is that most turn out to be an unorganised rabble which implodes as soon as they get some momentum.

It certainly will be interesting what the DD throws up, possibly the last time we'll see minor parties elected to the senate for a while as it will be very hard with the new senate rules in a normal election.

[cadete]

4 minutes ago, Tesla said:

The two biggest minor parties on the right both seem pretty stable TBH, one being the LDP and the other Family First. If those votes go outside the main parties you'd have to think FF is the logical choice since there doesnt seem to be any other notable party that meets the criteria, but logic doesn't always apply (eg PUP). But most the PUP votes should return to the main parties you'd think. Though apparently Lambie is a legitimate chance for a senate seat (lol wtf is wrong with Tasmania), so maybe a significant amount will go to the ex-PUP running as independents.

FWIW, I am optimistic in the LDP having at least 1 senator again, their primary vote has always been good and in fact they lost out a number of times by the preference deals the other minor parties did, so I dont think the senate voting changes will be too harmful. Last election they almost had enough votes for 2 senators, people put that down to voters mistakenly voting for them thinking they were the Liberal party in NSW, which obviously had a significant affect in terms of votes, but I think it made no difference to the result for the LDP as they would have had a senator regardless. I can only imagine an increase in votes, firstly because as we've seen on this forum, a lot of young people don't like the Liberal party's stance on social issues like gay marriage, internet censorship, marijuana, etc and the LDP is the only choice if you believe those things and aren't a socialist. Secondly, because they proved themselves a stable and effective party which removes the risk involved in voting for a minor party which is that most turn out to be an unorganised rabble which implodes as soon as they get some momentum.

It certainly will be interesting what the DD throws up, possibly the last time we'll see minor parties elected to the senate for a while as it will be very hard with the new senate rules in a normal election.

What I was discussing was "Idiot Vote" and the LDP def do qualify for Idiot Vote... PPL like Pauline Hanson and Clive Palmer and their loud noises win these votes not parties like LDP who actually take themselves and policy seriously.

 

[Jimmy]

On 16/05/2016 at 7:21 PM, Tesla said:

Vote #1 Liberal, preference Labor ahead of Greens. Easy.

This. Not saying @thisphantomfortress is one of these people but I think the majority of people don't understand how the preferential and proportional voting works in the lower/upper houses at all tbh. In fact a few people my age I talked to were confused in 2013 when it didn't say Kevin Rudd and Tony Abbott on the ballot.

 

Edited May 19, 2016 by Jimmy

[strider]

i actually think i've lost my shit. i thought this thread was about onions 

[thisphantomfortress]

They're out of control in Victoria atm;

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-26/stress-not-illness-led-to-resignation-of-mfb-boss-wife-says/7877596

May this be a lesson for everyone not to vote for Dan Andrews again.

[cadete]

16 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said:

They're out of control in Victoria atm;

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-26/stress-not-illness-led-to-resignation-of-mfb-boss-wife-says/7877596

May this be a lesson for everyone not to vote for Dan Andrews again.

I have said before and I will say it again when a Leader is elected from the Left of The ALP... a whole ton of dirty union shit from there past usually follows them into office.

Edited September 26, 2016 by cadete

[Tesla]

We need to elect someone that will take care of our union problem how the president of the Philippines is taking care of their drug problem  

Edited September 26, 2016 by Tesla