AntiScum Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 Bolton Marrone - Vrankovic - Colosimo - Behich Gerhardt Fred - Germano - Garcia Tadic - Dugandzic Bench: Redmayne, Thompson, Williams, Macallister Squad: Gray, Hoffman, Golgol, Kalmar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 Germano's injured and Gerhardt will play CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 Going on Aloisi's preferences, injuries and form: Williams/Golgol------Tadic-----Dugandzic -----Kalmar/Thompon-------Fred---------------- ---------------------Garcia-------------------------- Behich----Colosimo----Gerhardt---Marrone ---------------------Bolton------------------ Bench Redmayne Macallister Thompson/Kalmar Vrankovic Reserves Hoffman Williams/Golgol Germano (injured) Gray IMO Kalmar should start in midfield alongside Garcia and Fred, so we don't have 3 30 year olds. Williams is about 50/50 with Golgol for LW based on what they've both shown preseason, but Williams might get the nod as Golgol appears to be RW by preference. We could sign a winger to take up a youth contract though, and given how no player holds down LW he could compete for a start like Zahra in our first season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) IMO Kalmar should start in midfield alongside Garcia and Fred, so we don't have 3 30 year olds. This makes NO sense at all... no practicality in it. Edited August 23, 2012 by LR9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 I think the squad is looking very good at this stage, but I think we could struggle a bit defensively. Behich and Marrone are great players but they really are quite attacking players for their position and all our central defenders are questionable at this stage, Colosimo has been disappointing, while the others are far from proven. Even the midfield is quite attacking minded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sash Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 We've gone from identifying a DM as our big priority to not really getting an experienced proven DM at all - with Gerhardt looking like playing at the back. I think a fit Grella would've been the dream signing, but not being able to get him, I suspect Garcia was the next best player available. I'm very happy to get him and I'm sure he's versatile and will fit in well into our midfield. But it does look like all our midfielders are naturally attacking. I think part of what they're looking for is a very good distributor from the back - someone who can open up play with incisive passing, and who can hit a good long pass when needed. I don't think we've really had anyone with that ability before, and we often tend to knock it around a bit at the back before going back to Bolton to hoof it. It looks to me like Gerhardt has been instructed to try a lot of long passes in pre-season games so far. And maybe they think Garcia is good enough to fit into that sort of role too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) Don't forget that we have two more (youth) signings to make for the senior squad. I'll be brave and guess that one of these will be Ben Garrucio, who showed against Adelaide that he's pretty competent on the wing. Even with 21 in the squad we have two more spaces should the need, or an opportunity to secure a good player, arise. And hopefully more note will be taken of our NYL players now that the squads will be integrated for training. IMO we do have the players. My big question comes over our ability to manage our injuries so that we can put our best or near-best team on the park on a regular basis. With such a short season, we just can't afford players to be out of consideration for periods of weeks on end. Edited August 23, 2012 by jw1739 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart_fan10 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 as JW mentioned, the key this season is management of injuries and making sure we are able to field our best starting 11 almost every week. If you look at our best 11 in the last 2 season, it has actually been very good, the only problem was we hardly ever got to play those players together because we always had so many injuries. I also think this season we'll end up signing a guest player (most likely a defender) over December/january and then if they perform well we'll have the space in the squad to sign the permanently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 I think part of what they're looking for is a very good distributor from the back - someone who can open up play with incisive passing, and who can hit a good long pass when needed. I don't think we've really had anyone with that ability before, and we often tend to knock it around a bit at the back before going back to Bolton to hoof it. It looks to me like Gerhardt has been instructed to try a lot of long passes in pre-season games so far. And maybe they think Garcia is good enough to fit into that sort of role too. Gerhardt looks to be very good at this from what I have seen so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellum Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 We've gone from identifying a DM as our big priority to not really getting an experienced proven DM at all - with Gerhardt looking like playing at the back. I think a fit Grella would've been the dream signing, but not being able to get him, I suspect Garcia was the next best player available. I'm very happy to get him and I'm sure he's versatile and will fit in well into our midfield. But it does look like all our midfielders are naturally attacking. I think part of what they're looking for is a very good distributor from the back - someone who can open up play with incisive passing, and who can hit a good long pass when needed. I don't think we've really had anyone with that ability before, and we often tend to knock it around a bit at the back before going back to Bolton to hoof it. It looks to me like Gerhardt has been instructed to try a lot of long passes in pre-season games so far. And maybe they think Garcia is good enough to fit into that sort of role too. We have not had a good distributor in the DM position unless you count Skoko. I was hoping JA was looking to fix this problem based on his original comments but it looks like we have not managed to get that quality passer to sit behind Fred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted August 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 The current playing list is strong and allows for good formation options, with both an ultra attacking / possession based formation (built around Tadic), OR a more traditional defensive structure (built around Mcallister). The thing that irks me is the League's limitation on the number of substitutes (only 3 outfield players). Ideally, you have a defender, midfielder, winger and striker all sitting on the bench. With the need to potentially sub / rotate some of our ageing midfielders (in particular Fred / Garcia) to protect them from injury and to get the most out of them for the whole season, players selected as subs and the management of our substitutions will be a critical factor in terms of whether we have a successful season. In this regard, I think our most important players for the season will be those who can play multiple positions and can be either shifted positionally during the game either as a starting player OR as a substitute ... i.e. Patrick G (CB, RB, LB DM), Germano, (RM / LM, Mid, CB), Thompson (Mid, CB, LB), Behich, (LB, LM), etc. I would be interested to hear who people think our most servicable substitutes would be and also which players would be best suited to a poistional shift during a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mus-28 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 I'd be happy to see Germano and Marrone swap between RB & DM depending on the way games are going. Germano is a quality crosser of the ball, something that Marrone isn't, whilst Marrone gives a bit more drive from midfield as well as some mongrel in the tackle. Also swapping our wingers during games should be done on a regular basis, having Mate cutting in on the left at times would be advantageous compared to crossing balls against the likes of Perth who relish in the ball being in the air. Also having Thompson able to come in at FB, midfield and on the wing is a huge benefit to our squad. Just have to hope Tadic is the proven 15 goal a season striker that we need to convert all the opportunities. My ideal XI: Bolton Germano - Colosimo - Gerhardt - Behich Marrone Fred - Garcia Dugandzic - Tadic - Williams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellum Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 (edited) I'd be happy to see Germano and Marrone swap between RB & DM depending on the way games are going. Germano is a quality crosser of the ball, something that Marrone isn't, whilst Marrone gives a bit more drive from midfield as well as some mongrel in the tackle. Also swapping our wingers during games should be done on a regular basis, having Mate cutting in on the left at times would be advantageous compared to crossing balls against the likes of Perth who relish in the ball being in the air. Also having Thompson able to come in at FB, midfield and on the wing is a huge benefit to our squad. Just have to hope Tadic is the proven 15 goal a season striker that we need to convert all the opportunities. My ideal XI: Bolton Germano - Colosimo - Gerhardt - Behich Marrone Fred - Garcia Dugandzic - Tadic - Williams Yes, I would think that may be the first choice team with Thommo on the bench to plug gaps when needed and Germano starting in the middle of the park. I can't see Marrone getting much game time in midfield. Williams is the most iffy selection. Bolton Marrone - Colosimo - Gerhardt - Behich Germano Fred - Garcia Dugandzic - Tadic - Williams Edited August 27, 2012 by Rellum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Yes, I would think that may be the first choice team with Thommo on the bench to plug gaps when needed and Germano starting in the middle of the park. I can't see Marrone getting much game time in midfield. Williams is the most iffy selection. Bolton Marrone - Colosimo - Gerhardt - Behich Germano Fred - Garcia Dugandzic - Tadic - Williams Yes, I think you're getting close with that line-up. Except for Williams. Regrettably, I just don't think Willo has it anymore. IMO left wing remains our weakest link. I hope we sign Garrucio and/or can fit Del Solar in somehow (issue of nationality). These young guys have a bit of trickery in their feet and can cross the ball and give us some variety up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borris Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) -----------------Bolton------------------------- Marrone - Colosimo - Gerhardt - Behich -----------Germano-- Garcia----------- --------------------Fred -------------------- --Dugandzic --- Tadic---- Gol Gol -- bench; Thompson, Gray, McA, Williams this would be my perferred line up. gol gol has shown more improvement in the pre season then williams IMO Edited August 27, 2012 by borris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Forgeting about what I want as long as all players are fit this is what I reckon our starting line up in round one will look like from what we are hearing from the coaching staff. (The most likely change being Williams for Gol Gol.) ----------------- Bolton------------------------- Marrone - Colosimo - Gerhardt - Behich --------------------Garcia-------------------- -----------Fred-- Thompson ----------- --Dugandzic --- Tadic---- Gol Gol -- bench; Germano, Vrankovic, McA, Williams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellum Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Yes, I think you're getting close with that line-up. Except for Williams. Regrettably, I just don't think Willo has it anymore. IMO left wing remains our weakest link. I hope we sign Garrucio and/or can fit Del Solar in somehow (issue of nationality). These young guys have a bit of trickery in their feet and can cross the ball and give us some variety up front. Yeah, I am hoping we get that much needed wide man with our youth signings. I can see one of either Williams or Gol Gol disappearing into obscurity by the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 I am happy with the last 5 or so options. It shows the depth we have and I have moved from being rather negative about the squad when we released so many players at the end of last season (although I still think we could have given those players a better send off) to being confident going into this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 I am happy with the last 5 or so options. It shows the depth we have and I have moved from being rather negative about the squad when we released so many players at the end of last season (although I still think we could have given those players a better send off) to being confident going into this season. This is professional football a Rutger Worm testimonal was not required. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 This is professional football a Rutger Worm testimonal was not required. No, but perhaps a chance to say well done (eg. Terra) or hope it works out well (eg. Sarkies etc.) would have been nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 No, but perhaps a chance to say well done (eg. Terra) or hope it works out well (eg. Sarkies etc.) would have been nice. We were able to say goodbye to Gerald Sibon, John Aloisi and Josip Skoko in a way that I for one will not forget, thanks to those magnificent Yarraside banners and the atmosphere on that day. As a club and supporters we should be big enough to say thankyou to all our departing players. Hope that we can find the way to do this in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libero Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 We were able to say goodbye to Gerald Sibon, John Aloisi and Josip Skoko in a way that I for one will not forget, thanks to those magnificent Yarraside banners and the atmosphere on that day. As a club and supporters we should be big enough to say thankyou to all our departing players. Hope that we can find the way to do this in the future. I was ball boy in that game! (i was able to do it even though im outside the age limit ) IMO the way Shroj left wasnt too flashy... (which is ironic, since he's The Graceful One.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellum Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 BAck on topic, we could start with a 3-5-2 to cover for our lack of a left winger. It is a bit defensive but I have the feeling that is how JA will want to play. Bolton Colosimo Gerhardt Grey Marrone Germano Behich Fred Thommo Mate Tadic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 No Garcia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 BAck on topic, we could start with a 3-5-2 to cover for our lack of a left winger. It is a bit defensive but I have the feeling that is how JA will want to play. Bolton Colosimo Gerhardt Grey Marrone Germano Behich Fred Thommo Mate Tadic No Garcia? The above point is one very valid... And two from everything I have read and heard I have seen no indication that JA is going to use such a formation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellum Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 No Garcia? JA would probably pick him. I wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 JA would probably pick him. I wouldn't. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 By the way people Garcia is a winger, but because of his passing abilities he can play as a midfielder. He would be however best used in a wide attacking role. Something like this: Bolton Marrone Gray Gerhardt Behich Thompson--Germano Fred Dugandzic Tadic Garcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 By the way people Garcia is a winger, but because of his passing abilities he can play as a midfielder. He would be however best used in a wide attacking role. Something like this: Bolton Marrone Gray Gerhardt Behich Thompson--Germano Fred Dugandzic Tadic Garcia Surely Colosimo will get the nod before Gray or Gerhardt ? Edit: i haven't seen them play yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 I haven't seen Garcia yet, but looking at his history I'd be a bit disappointed if we didn't at least give him a run on the wing. This is an Australian international who's had plenty of experience in that position with Hull City both in the EPL and the Championship, and prima facie seems a bit silly of us to sign him and then play him in a different position? Isn't as if we're overloaded with stand-out wingers is it? As for Steven Gray - I have seen more of Gerhardt than Gray but I've liked what I've seen of Gray. Gerhardt strikes me as a bit impetuous at times and he has an unimpressive yellow card record, whereas Gray seems pretty controlled and reads the play very well. He's a left-footer as well and that adds a dimension to our play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) BAck on topic, we could start with a 3-5-2 to cover for our lack of a left winger. It is a bit defensive but I have the feeling that is how JA will want to play. Bolton Colosimo Gerhardt Grey Marrone Germano Behich Fred Thommo Mate Tadic No Garcia? JA would probably pick him. I wouldn't. I am seriously confused, I thought u had a "feeling" on what our line up would be... I think its fairly obv that if JA and JD keep speaking about Garcia as a DM that is where he will be tried, obv with the small benchs and small squads of A League we are going to see him prob on the wing at some time or other... Edited September 3, 2012 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulhollanddrive Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Macallister might come on for a like for like CF, but I think our main weapon will be moving the likes of Garcia, Germano, Behich up the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keeper Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) ---------------------Bolton-------------------- -------------Gerhardt - Colosimo---------- -Marrone----------------------------Behich- ---------------------------Thompson-------- --------------Germano ---------------------- ------------------------Fred------------------- --Digandzic------------------------Garcia-- ----------------------Tadic-------------------- Redmayne Kalmar Macallister Gray Williams Mebrahtu Vrankovic Hoffman ^Sub choices Edited September 8, 2012 by Keeper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellum Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 I am seriously confused, I thought u had a "feeling" on what our line up would be... I think its fairly obv that if JA and JD keep speaking about Garcia as a DM that is where he will be tried, obv with the small benchs and small squads of A League we are going to see him prob on the wing at some time or other... I am just throwing out ideas for discussion and a bit of fun, that is not how I expect us to line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 May have already been posted... http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/video/2276703598/New-look-Heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perthheart Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 (edited) Bolton Marrone Gray colisimo behich Gerhardt Germano Fred Mate Tadic. Garcia Subs Redmayne, Mcallister, thomson, Williams Would be my ideal starting xi going into the season. Obviously can't make any real call on who to partner sc at cb as never seen vrankovic, gerhardt or Gray play. But grays experience sounds far more appealing than vrankovics inexperience and gerhardt being signed as a dm then suddenly being called a cb. If Garcia is supposedly going to play centrally then Williams can slot in to left wing despite my reservations about him in that position and gerhardt to the bench. Players like gol gol, vrankovic, kalmar will be relying on poor form and injuries to get game time. Edited September 9, 2012 by perthheart 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Just reading through the latest 4-4-2 which has an A-League preview. Their verdict on Heart is that we have a weaker squad than last season and will do well to sneak into the finals..... Underdog status achieved. Bring on game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Just reading through the latest 4-4-2 which has an A-League preview. Their verdict on Heart is that we have a weaker squad than last season and will do well to sneak into the finals..... Underdog status achieved. Bring on game 1 Alot of people have said that because we got rid of a bunch of fringe players and bench warmers, the reality is we only lost Babalj out of our starting 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) Alot of people have said that because we got rid of a bunch of fringe players and bench warmers, the reality is we only lost Babalj out of our starting 11 And Shroj - But your right we have recruited well/have the cover for his position in Gerhardt, Garcia, Germano... PPL are probably making a lot more out of the Good and Hamill sales than should as fair as impact on the team as these guys were brought more on their great potential rather than what they provided the side last season. Edited September 10, 2012 by cadete 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Probably another thing counting against us in these assessments is the complete change in our coaching team. But IMO JA is such a positive person that this is actually a change in our favour. Our starting eleven is pretty competitive. A lot is going to depend on keeping our best team on the field and not having key players out for weeks with seemingly minor injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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