n i k o Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 22 minutes ago, Chris p said: Two absolute buffoons, i cringe that this is the best football punditry can offer in this country It's FFAs fault that we cant afford to spend hundreds of millions on transfer fees like china ? The fact that there's no transfer fees at all is simple enough reason to make it a valid point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris p Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 16 minutes ago, n i k o said: The fact that there's no transfer fees at all is simple enough reason to make it a valid point NOt saying he FFA are perfect but A-league clubs are free to utilize transfer fees on overseas players Victory paid for Carlos hernandez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Chris p said: NOt saying he FFA are perfect but A-league clubs are free to utilize transfer fees on overseas players Victory paid for Carlos hernandez Your missing the point. The most glaring example is why should any club bother investing in youth development when they won't get compensated for their hard work and money put into the athlete? Their only hope is that the young player willingly stays with them when they've developed into a solid aleague player. There's probably a good chance though that if they get to that stage a club like us will want to snap him up. What does the developing club have to show for it? Nothing at all. No fee, no compensation for the years invested in the player, nothing. And then the club is left to repeat the process of over again and operate at a loss. That has an effect on the club, it has an affect on what players clubs can bring into the league and it has an impact on potential investors wanting to own a club. Who'd want to willingly operate at a loss due to shithouse management of the league by the FFA. It's amazing we currently have owners of any aleague franchise. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 7 hours ago, n i k o said: Your missing the point. The most glaring example is why should any club bother investing in youth development when they won't get compensated for their hard work and money put into the athlete? Their only hope is that the young player willingly stays with them when they've developed into a solid aleague player. There's probably a good chance though that if they get to that stage a club like us will want to snap him up. What does the developing club have to show for it? Nothing at all. No fee, no compensation for the years invested in the player, nothing. And then the club is left to repeat the process of over again and operate at a loss. That has an effect on the club, it has an affect on what players clubs can bring into the league and it has an impact on potential investors wanting to own a club. Who'd want to willingly operate at a loss due to shithouse management of the league by the FFA. It's amazing we currently have owners of any aleague franchise. That no transfer fee rule is something I've never understood. It's one of those concepts that people who don't understand economics come up with. Frankly I never thought an organisation like the FFA would be so naive. I've no doubt you're right that it's damaging player development. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 TBH it would be somewhat unusual to allow transfer fees in a salary capped league. I am of course all for transfer fees being allowed, but loosening (or complete removal) of the salary cap should come in at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Tesla said: TBH it would be somewhat unusual to allow transfer fees in a salary capped league. I am of course all for transfer fees being allowed, but loosening (or complete removal) of the salary cap should come in at the same time. I'm not sure why you are linking the concept of allowing transfer fees with the salary cap. At the moment, when an A-League player wants to transfer from one club to another and both clubs agree to it, what happens is that the player's club releases him from his contract (usually with words such as "to pursue another football opportunity") and then he signs with the new club inside or outside the cap depending on whether he's a marquee or not. He may be wanting a move for more money, or to get more match time, or for some other reason. At the very least IMO the "buying" club should pay the "selling" club the balance of the contract with the "selling" club. Of course I support the loosening or complete removal of the cap, but I don't see either as necessary for the introduction of transfer fees for moves of players between A-League clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 31 minutes ago, jw1739 said: I'm not sure why you are linking the concept of allowing transfer fees with the salary cap. At the moment, when an A-League player wants to transfer from one club to another and both clubs agree to it, what happens is that the player's club releases him from his contract (usually with words such as "to pursue another football opportunity") and then he signs with the new club inside or outside the cap depending on whether he's a marquee or not. He may be wanting a move for more money, or to get more match time, or for some other reason. At the very least IMO the "buying" club should pay the "selling" club the balance of the contract with the "selling" club. Of course I support the loosening or complete removal of the cap, but I don't see either as necessary for the introduction of transfer fees for moves of players between A-League clubs. Agree with this. If Transfer Fess are allowed but the league remains salary capped, who ever is in charge will have to ensure that 0% of the transfer fee goes to the player. Otherwise for example, we could buy Ninkovic for $2.5m but he receives $1.5m, Sydney receives $700k and Ninkovic goes under the cap for $150k per season on a 2 year contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 2 hours ago, haz said: Agree with this. If Transfer Fess are allowed but the league remains salary capped, who ever is in charge will have to ensure that 0% of the transfer fee goes to the player. Otherwise for example, we could buy Ninkovic for $2.5m but he receives $1.5m, Sydney receives $700k and Ninkovic goes under the cap for $150k per season on a 2 year contract. Surely that's no different to us sneakily paying Ninkovic outside of the cap? That can happen now, works well until busted, just ask Perth. 3 hours ago, jw1739 said: I'm not sure why you are linking the concept of allowing transfer fees with the salary cap. At the moment, when an A-League player wants to transfer from one club to another and both clubs agree to it, what happens is that the player's club releases him from his contract (usually with words such as "to pursue another football opportunity") and then he signs with the new club inside or outside the cap depending on whether he's a marquee or not. He may be wanting a move for more money, or to get more match time, or for some other reason. At the very least IMO the "buying" club should pay the "selling" club the balance of the contract with the "selling" club. Of course I support the loosening or complete removal of the cap, but I don't see either as necessary for the introduction of transfer fees for moves of players between A-League clubs. Agree. All banning transfer fees is doing right now is making developing players valueless. Its mind numbingly stupid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 Good game to watch. Always feel like watching Victory in the ACL is a win-win; i want all Aus sides to do well and push our league and brand, but you cant help but smile when the Mongs get done. Anyhoo shite crowd to watch the match. Am i naive in thinking that we'd get a decent normal crowd to acl crowd ratio if we were in it? I just feel like our fans are hungry for it, but could be well off the mark... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, bt50 said: Good game to watch. Always feel like watching Victory in the ACL is a win-win; i want all Aus sides to do well and push our league and brand, but you cant help but smile when the Mongs get done. Anyhoo shite crowd to watch the match. Am i naive in thinking that we'd get a decent normal crowd to acl crowd ratio if we were in it? I just feel like our fans are hungry for it, but could be well off the mark... Looking forward to watching the highlights when I get home Considering we have 8000 'rusted on' supporters. Minus 2000 from that for families on a school night, minus another 2000 from people who are too lazy etc I think we would have a solid shout of getting 4000-5000 to a group stage game, particuly in our first season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 Just now, haz said: Looking forward to watching the highlights when I get home Considering we have 8000 'rusted on' supporters. Minus 2000 from that for families on a school night, minus another 2000 from people who are too lazy etc I think we would have a solid shout of getting 4000-5000 to a group stage game, particuly in our first season. Yeh thats about what i think too. 65-70% of members would be one of the better returns though i'd think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, bt50 said: Yeh thats about what i think too. 65-70% of members would be one of the better returns though i'd think. One of the positives of being shit for so long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 members would still have to pay for acl games, another reason for shit crowds can't believe Aussie teams don't penetrate these asian hacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 Couldn’t imagine how low our ACL crowds will be. Australian supporters... Jesus we are piss weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 5 hours ago, Dylan said: Couldn’t imagine how low our ACL crowds will be. Australian supporters... Jesus we are piss weak. 5000 attended last night, that number is 20% of ~25,000 which is the number of MV season ticket holders. For us that would be like getting ~2000 to an ACL game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 5 hours ago, HEARTinator said: 5000 attended last night, that number is 20% of ~25,000 which is the number of MV season ticket holders. For us that would be like getting ~2000 to an ACL game. But MV have been playing poorly lately plus how many times have they been in the ACL? I think our first time we will get 4000. If the club provides cheap/free tickets then 5000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 Sydney's first ACL game..... 2 Yellows from 6 fouls, 29 minutes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 Suck it Sydney, no FFA help in the AFC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 19 minutes ago, Torn Asunder said: Suck it Sydney, no FFA help in the AFC So even Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 13 hours ago, haz said: So even What is this hypocrisy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 On 14/02/2018 at 11:30 AM, HEARTinator said: 5000 attended last night, that number is 20% of ~25,000 which is the number of MV season ticket holders. For us that would be like getting ~2000 to an ACL game. It’s not their fault. The conditions of their parole don’t allow them to go out mid week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 I cant wait for City to be in ACL, but at the same time im worried that we will get fisted badly.... maybe we will get more fund allocations if we do qualify Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Watching these Asian teams is a joy. They have such deft touch, like the old yugos that used to come here in the 80s and before, they basically had the ball on a peice of string everytime. Victory players look like they have the deft touch of a dinosaur with the ball at their feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, n i k o said: Watching these Asian teams is a joy. They have such deft touch, like the old yugos that used to come here in the 80s and before, they basically had the ball on a peice of string everytime. Victory players look like they have the deft touch of a dinosaur with the ball at their feet. 9 hours ago, haz said: I cant wait for City to be in ACL, but at the same time im worried that we will get fisted badly.... maybe we will get more fund allocations if we do qualify IMO a great deal depends on the manager when you're playing outside your domestic league, because you have to think outside your familiar box. I would have tipped JvS to be a better manager for ACL matches than WJ would be, because I think he is more of a thinker than our current manager. Edited February 20, 2018 by jw1739 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Another tough fixture for Sydney tonight away to Shanghai Shenhua. Keen to see Obafemi Martins put a few past Redmayne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Watching ACL games > watching aleague games 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 9 hours ago, n i k o said: Watching ACL games > watching aleague games I've always been surprised at how little love it gets. It such a good competition. I suspect interest would increase a fair bit if/when we get rid of the cap. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 8 hours ago, bt50 said: I've always been surprised at how little love it gets. It such a good competition. I suspect interest would increase a fair bit if/when we get rid of the cap. So we can finally sign Ronaldinho? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted March 7, 2018 Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 Victory getting a penalty in injury time to draw -________- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 Lol the aleague is rubbish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 Ahhh I dont know how to feel with Victory winning in the last minute. I want aussie teams to do well in the ACL.... but its the Visitors! I wont mind Victory doing better then Sydney though after Arnold's comments before the start of the campaign. It will also show how favoured (or suited?) Sydney are to the HAL, ie. getting found out for rotational fouling and not resting players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, haz said: Ahhh I dont know how to feel with Victory winning in the last minute. I want aussie teams to do well in the ACL.... but its the Visitors! I wont mind Victory doing better then Sydney though after Arnold's comments before the start of the campaign. It will also show how favoured (or suited?) Sydney are to the HAL, ie. getting found out for rotational fouling and not resting players. I know how you feel, but IMO it's an indictment of Heart/City's performances over the 8 seasons so far that we have to seek satisfaction from MV's failures rather than from City's successes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, jw1739 said: I know how you feel, but IMO it's an indictment of Heart/City's performances over the 8 seasons so far that we have to seek satisfaction from MV's failures rather than from City's successes. I think thats a bit harsh (yes I know we are all depressed Heart/City fans) but it was great seeing WSW lift the trophy, and if Victory do it, I'll be very very sour and jelous but overall its good for Australian football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 asian Gk's are fucking trash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 28 minutes ago, Thrillhouse said: asian Gk's are fucking trash Better then Bouzanis according to this forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjake1234 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 On 09/03/2018 at 6:39 PM, Dylan said: Lol the aleague is rubbish But that is primarily because of the FFA restrictions on squads. Lampard rules etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Huge win for Sydney last night. Win their last against Shanghai and hope that first placed Kashima take at least a point at home against Suwon and they are through to the Round of 16. Like wise Victory need to accrue more points than Ulsan over the final two games to qualify, starting with Ulsan tonight. If the win tonight, they'll qualify by default on the head to head rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 2 hours ago, bt50 said: Huge win for Sydney last night. Win their last against Shanghai and hope that first placed Kashima take at least a point at home against Suwon and they are through to the Round of 16. Like wise Victory need to accrue more points than Ulsan over the final two games to qualify, starting with Ulsan tonight. If the win tonight, they'll qualify by default on the head to head rule. how did south go in the FFA cup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, Dylan said: how did south go in the FFA cup? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Sydney finished third in their Group so do not progress to the next stage of the competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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