malloy Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Didn't know WS was in the league 5 years ago. bb followed syd first.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 not that significant its only snoop. You take that back. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bravas Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 bb followed syd first.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 Does anyone know what their crowd was against Central Coast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dRoy Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 A tick over 10k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macri Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 You take that back. xo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 A tick over 10k This crowd and the expected sell out against Sydney will keep the average right up for the first half of the season. It will be good for the game if they can get some results and grow their core once the initial novelty wears off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 From the Beautiful game Facebook page Counter-terror security group Hatamoto, have been employed to keep back the Wanderers' active group the RBB at the end of the game on Saturday night with supporters who attempt to leave will feel the wrath of their security guards. Thoughts on this? http://www.westsydneyfootball.com/topic/2060-hatamoto-ffa-jeopardise-supporter-safety-at-sydney-derby/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 While the gates will not be locked, Hatamoto have advised the supporters that they will be labelled 'non-conformist' should they attempt to leave. The counter-terror security agency have threatened that supporters who leave the ground before Hatamoto desire them to will be targeted by their security Jesus, they are trying to get home! The non-conformists are coming! Run for your lives! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 TBH I dont know why this stuff is not more of the norm in Australia. It will eventually happen at all of the Melbourne Derbies IMO as well - It will just take a few bad incidents first before it becomes common place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 I think the issue is that they are already assumed guilty. You never know, both sets may be very well behaved and there will be no issues at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 I think the issue is that they are already assumed guilty. You never know, both sets may be very well behaved and there will be no issues at all. Well they already had the Incident at a Pre Season Match which saw a few taken to Court, I guess they are using that to justify their actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 True, but a counter terrorist task force proclaiming to come down hard on any non-conformists (by which they mean people who want to get home) seems a tad overkill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braveheart Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 True, but a counter terrorist task force proclaiming to come down hard on any non-conformists (by which they mean people who want to get home) seems a tad overkill Harry can you link me to the actual quotes because Iam %100 sure that there is no way in hell that that language was in an official statement ie 'Non-conformist' and the description of Hatamoto. Surely that's somebody surmising what they believe an article says? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 True. The quote was taken from WestSydneyFootball.com and offers no link to official notification using those words. The article suggests those are the words used by them, but gives no actual link http://www.westsydneyfootball.com/_/supporter-articles/hatamoto-ffa-jeopardise-supporter-safety-at-sydney-derby-r180 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Anyone remember a Mong saying Hatamoto were employed because the FFA thought Terrace meant Terriorst. The FFA are dumb sometimes – But surely nobody is that dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braveheart Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) True. The quote was taken from WestSydneyFootball.com and offers no link to official notification using those words. The article suggests those are the words used by them, but gives no actual link http://www.westsydne...dney-derby-r180 Just read the whole 'article'. The expression and turn of phrase is abhorrent. Clearly written by a supporter flog trying to drum up some panic/angst. Case in point."Hatamoto have indicated that even a minor 'offence' such as crossing a street without security approval could lead to being detained and/or being banned from A-League matches." FWIW Hatamoto have been at everyone of our Derbies and we've hardly seen them. Edited October 17, 2012 by Braveheart 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodebec Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) TBH I dont know why this stuff is not more of the norm in Australia. It will eventually happen at all of the Melbourne Derbies IMO as well - It will just take a few bad incidents first before it becomes common place. Do you guys not get held back when you are the away team at Etihad? When SFC plays at Etihad we always get held in the stadium for 30 minutes after and a police escort to a point far enough away from the stadium that the cops deem us to be "safe". Only thing that seems odd to me about the approach for Saturday night is that the RBB is being held, not The Cove. Makes it clear where they are expecting the trouble to come from. Edited October 17, 2012 by Brodebec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Suppose thats what I get for not reading the whole article, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Do you guys not get held back when you are the away team at Etihad? When SFC plays at Etihad we always get held in the stadium for 30 minutes after and a police escort to a point far enough away from the stadium that the cops deem us to be "safe". Only thing that seems odd to me about the approach for Saturday night is that the RBB is being held, not The Cove. Makes it clear where they are expecting the trouble to come from. No - We have never been properly been held for any length of time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodebec Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 No - We have never been properly been held for any length of time... Clearly not well 'ard enough then! Once they herded us into the ground level courtyard area of a function room for a "free BBQ". Only thing separating courtyard from the outside concourse was a 1.5m high glass barrier. On the other side - a large number of the dirty scums less desirable members. That was when we discovered how much the bastards love to throw coins. Good work VicPol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braveheart Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) Clearly not well 'ard enough then! Lol I don't want to make this look like a pissing contest but the reason we have never been held successfully, despite being the "Designated Hold" supporter group at almost every Derby, is that Heart fans at Derbies are notoriously hard to detain after match conclusion due them being in their own city and not recognizing the need for an 'escort' etc. Fan groups that visit when they play Victory ie SFC, Jets, Adelaide etc actively wait for the hold and stay together as a group as they are vastly outnumbered in a 'foreign' city. Btw Im not saying this is a bad thing. That's the difference. I also predict it being very difficult for NSWPol and Hato to be able to Hold WSW supporters in their own city on the weekend. Edited October 17, 2012 by Braveheart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Lol I don't want to make this look like a pissing contest but the reason we have never been held successfully, despite being the "Designated Hold" supporter group at almost every Derby, is that Heart fans at Derbies are notoriously hard to detain after match conclusion due them being in their own city and not recognizing the need for an 'escort' etc. Fan groups that visit when they play Victory ie SFC, Jets, Adelaide etc actively wait for the hold and stay together as a group as they are vastly outnumbered in a 'foreign' city. Btw Im not saying this is a bad thing. That's the difference. I also predict it being very difficult for NSWPol and Hato to be able to Hold WSW supporters in their own city on the weekend. At our first match in Syd the NSWPol walked 5 of us into some dark deserted carpark outside the stadium and then pissed off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baresi Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Do you guys not get held back when you are the away team at Etihad? When SFC plays at Etihad we always get held in the stadium for 30 minutes after and a police escort to a point far enough away from the stadium that the cops deem us to be "safe". Only thing that seems odd to me about the approach for Saturday night is that the RBB is being held, not The Cove. Makes it clear where they are expecting the trouble to come from. They've tried to hold us back at almost all home and away derbies, but they're pretty lacklustre about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Hold me back, brah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Only time I remember police post derby is the time they tried to run us over with police horses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 They've tried to hold us back at almost all home and away derbies, but they're pretty lacklustre about it. That's my point, we have never had anything resembling a proper hold back... Derby 3 at Ethihad was the most policed game from Memory in that they had cops on horses direct us all the way back to North Melbourne. But I think VicPol must have thought it was overkill because they next year their was the lowest Police Presence I have ever seen for a Derby at Derby 4 (At the same ground as well.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FB. Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) Just read the whole 'article'. The exp<b></b>ression and turn of phrase is abhorrent. Clearly written by a supporter flog trying to drum up some panic/angst. Case in point."Hatamoto have indicated that even a minor 'offence' such as crossing a street without security approval could lead to being detained and/or being banned from A-League matches." FWIW Hatamoto have been at everyone of our Derbies and we've hardly seen them. Agreed. One of the most tedious/laborious articles I've ever had to read through. Obvious that the RBB is trying to blow this up into a bigger issue to galvanise the supporter base. Can see Sydney smashing them this weekend by quite a large margin tbh. Their approach to the game reminds me of how amateurishly BWB & SDC handled the 1st ever derby, making a huge issue out of Mongs fans being put put in the corner of our stadium and making public statements to their players that they must win da 1st eva darby becoz we are da tru Melbun team!1!!1 Which created undue stress on their playing group and lead them to defeat. The way yside handled that derby should be text case example of how to best handle a inaugural derby for future supporter groups. Made no fuss publicly in the lead up to the game, instead meeting privately with key players the week before the game to express the importance of winning the 1st ever derby. Professionally handled, and the players carried through the message and got us the first ever win. If RBB continue like this they risk becoming the Vi5t0rs version in Sydney and turning into Hakoah's derby bitches for the next 3 years. Edited October 17, 2012 by FB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 It will be interesting to see if the Eastern Beaches Tifo Crew deem a Derby more important that ADP's first Home Game in terms of Tifo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodebec Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Lol I don't want to make this look like a pissing contest but the reason we have never been held successfully, despite being the "Designated Hold" supporter group at almost every Derby, is that Heart fans at Derbies are notoriously hard to detain after match conclusion due them being in their own city and not recognizing the need for an 'escort' etc. Fan groups that visit when they play Victory ie SFC, Jets, Adelaide etc actively wait for the hold and stay together as a group as they are vastly outnumbered in a 'foreign' city. Btw Im not saying this is a bad thing. That's the difference. I also predict it being very difficult for NSWPol and Hato to be able to Hold WSW supporters in their own city on the weekend. No pissing contest necessary. Was just curious about the seemingly different approaches and being a little bit cheeky! The design of Parramatta Stadium might make it a bit easier to keep groups in. It is hard enough to get out of there when it is a large crowd and they aren't trying to keep you in the stands, let alone when they are. It will be interesting to see if the Eastern Beaches Tifo Crew deem a Derby more important that ADP's first Home Game in terms of Tifo. Have zero knowledge of our plans in this regard but my assumption would be a home derby would be the place we would do larger than normal Tifo for the "derby". Also reasonably confident ADP's home debut was considered more important. I could most definitely be wrong about this though too but the feeling around ADP's first home game was pretty special. My own feeling about this weeks "derby" is more curiosity than anything else and I know many other SFC fans feel the same. You can't manufacture a rivalry - I am sure WSW hates us more than we hate them. We have years of rivalry with other clubs, what do they have? The enemy on the other side of Homebush! I appreciate the "potential" for there to be a great rivalry here, just don't think it is a reality yet. It might be by Sunday though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libero Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 the city of sydney logo would actually work as a banner for you lads.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baresi Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Kerning fail. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braveheart Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) Have zero knowledge of our plans in this regard but my assumption would be a home derby would be the place we would do larger than normal Tifo for the "derby". Also reasonably confident ADP's home debut was considered more important. I could most definitely be wrong about this though too but the feeling around ADP's first home game was pretty special. I'm sorry but that is just so SFC(BlingFC). The signing of a star recruit for mega-bucks to try and shake the cultural cringe of Australian Football and its workmanlike league means more to your fans/club than the embarking upon a new period in the club's history with the introduction of new team in YOUR OWN CITY and effectively changing in the entire sporting landscape of Sydney and the country. The gap in the mentality between our administrations and supporters is so incredibly vast tbh. You can't manufacture a rivalry - I am sure WSW hates us more than we hate them. We have years of rivalry with other clubs, what do they have? The enemy on the other side of Homebush! I appreciate the "potential" for there to be a great rivalry here, just don't think it is a reality yet. This smacks of the same arrongant Victory-isms that were trotted out on the eve of our inception. Replace WSW with MHFC in your post and see if you think any of us would agree. This is not a jibe or jingoistic crack at you but you might be on the wrong forum tbh as intra-city rivalry is foremost in the minds of MHFC supporters and you might find more palatable views about the subject on MVFC.net. Keep ADP. Ill have the Derby della Melbourne any day. Edited October 17, 2012 by Braveheart 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marteaux Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Remember police attempting to escort 50-70 lads who weren't in colours away from Gosches Padddock and all of us slipping through them like a sieve. That ended well for us, didn't it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodebec Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 I'm sorry but that is just so SFC(BlingFC). The signing of a star recruit for mega-bucks to try and shake the cultural cringe of Australian Football and its workmanlike league means more to your fans/club than the embarking upon a new period in the club's history with the introduction of new team in YOUR OWN CITY and effectively changing in the entire sporting landscape of Sydney and the country. The gap in the mentality between our administrations and supporters is so incredibly vast tbh. This smacks of the same arrongant Victory-isms that were trotted out on the eve of our inception. Replace WSW with MHFC in your post and see if you think any of us would agree. This is not a jibe or jingoistic crack at you but you might be on the wrong forum tbh as intra-city rivalry is foremost in the minds of MHFC supporters and you might find more palatable views about the subject on MVFC.net. Keep ADP. Ill have the Derby della Melbourne any day. Sorry, I genuinely did not mean to cause offence. I will try to explain (hopefully more eloquently but think I will struggle!) why I don't feel a great rivalry with them yet. I know in Melbourne a sporting culture of intra-city rivalry is well ingrained but that's not the sporting culture I grew up with. As a young lass my most hated sporting team was the Canterbury Bulldogs because, as a Parramatta Eels fan in the 80s, my team played them in a number of grand finals and developed a "history" with them. A lot of older Parramatta fans feel the same about Manly because of the 1970s. It's been my personal experience growing up following sport in Sydney that what develops a rivalry in Sydney is a series of events, not a geographical boundary. Others might not agree but that's how I feel about it. As a result of this in season 1 of the a-league I felt no great rivalry for any team. Then we played CCM in the Grand Final. That became a rivalry which grew over a few seasons for me after I got capsicum sprayed at Bluetongue, after the epic 5-4 win which saw me sustain bruises to my legs so severe I couldn't walk the next day and after getting sick of dealing with their bogan fans. I didn't hate Victory until observing their fans beat up female friends of mine and just cause a whole load of unnecessary shit over an extended period of time. Oh and the Kevin Muscat factor. That never helped. So what I guess I am saying is the main reason I feel nothing more than curiosity about WSW is because they haven't given me a reason to hate them yet. Just being in my city isn't enough for me personally. I grew up in Western Sydney and, had they introduced a Western Sydney team from season 1, there is every chance I would have been a Wanderers fan. I feel like this rivalry is being hyped at the moment and my personal feeling is not there - hence why I called it a "manufactured" rivalry. I am certainly looking forward to the game and am happy to have two sides playing the highest level of football in my city but I don't feel about it the way I do about playing Victory or CCM. YET. I welcome the organic development of a strong rivalry though. On the arrogance front I am not sure what part of my feeling would indicate any arrogance - I certainly don't question the legitimacy of WSW or their right to exist in "my city" like so many Victory supporters seem to do with Heart. On form they are doing better than my team at the moment and they have done well in attracting members. I don't see them as insignificant and I don't think there is anything about my club that makes us inherently better than them. In summary, please don't banish me to MV.net, show some humanity! *Apologies for the essay, I am home sick and really should not be trusted with a computer and a football forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bravas Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Wsw 1-0 eastern sydney del piero bandwagon fc Hatamoto can try to do whatever they like.. We will see on the day.. If mariners fans almost got taught a lesson round 1 by locals after the game, imagine when hakoah come to town.. Lets hope stupidity wont prevail.. Follow what has been set in stone by many federations around the world regarding keeping away fans in their bays after an away match.. And there will be no problems.. The derby will be awesome, hope it all goes off without a glitch.. The cove might have the numbers atm.. Its taken them 7 years to build it.. But they will never have the same mentality we have.. Even though its early days.. A culture is being established that will hopefully ignite active support in this country again.. We are here to create atmosphere and whatever it takes we will do. Enjoy people. Watch this space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzatron Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 I got tickets to the Sydney Derby. Should be good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelawolf Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Hatamoto can try to do whatever they like.. We will see on the day.. i hope you have a good facebook dp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Are you Hatamoto, yelawolf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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