Harrison Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Shahanga said: Looking like the player we thought we were getting. Yeah it’s been a rocky road but the injuries have hampered him badly from the looks of it, he only got into a rhythm once and he was our best player during that time. Honestly I’ve always rated him pretty highly. No doubt a frustrating player and never will be a Diamanti type but he’s a classy player and has a lot of experience. We’re absolutely a better team with him in it. Edited March 23, 2021 by Harrison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Harrison said: Yeah it’s been a rocky road but the injuries have hampered him badly from the looks of it, he only got into a rhythm once and he was our best player during that time. Honestly I’ve always rated him pretty highly. No doubt a frustrating player and never will be a Diamanti type but he’s a classy player and has a lot of experience. We’re absolutely a better team with him in it. I think that his main problem is that he just doesn't have the engine to go more than 70 minutes, and IMO PK should be able to manage that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 After last night I'm ready to ask Florin to pack his bags at season's end. He doesn't justify a starting role any more and he's gifted away two goals in recent weeks. I don't think we should use up a visa place with him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityBoyz Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 30 minutes ago, jw1739 said: After last night I'm ready to ask Florin to pack his bags at season's end. He doesn't justify a starting role any more and he's gifted away two goals in recent weeks. I don't think we should use up a visa place with him. Be interesting for next season as of this moment we have 4 visas out of contract/ loan ending at season end. In my opinion - Luna -try to extend his contract - Noone- had his best season tbf but have a feeling he will go back to the UK and Leckie will replace him or Nabbout. - Florin - on his day one of our best but inconsistent. Think we can do better - Tsubaki loan ends and won’t want to extend it waste of a visa spot. so going into next season hypothetically we could be on the hunt for 4 new visa spots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: After last night I'm ready to ask Florin to pack his bags at season's end. He doesn't justify a starting role any more and he's gifted away two goals in recent weeks. I don't think we should use up a visa place with him. I think he was becoming one of our best and starting to get consistency but then with Luna coming back and O'Neill as well, has thrown him and he's lost his spot In all honesty, I'm not quite sure why he did lose that spot. Luna is a dynamo but not sure he is playing better than Flo was. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 Flo is a good starting player. When he comes off the bench he just isn't as effective. If he isn't starting, he's pretty much useless imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 hours ago, CityBoyz said: Be interesting for next season as of this moment we have 4 visas out of contract/ loan ending at season end. In my opinion - Luna -try to extend his contract - Noone- had his best season tbf but have a feeling he will go back to the UK and Leckie will replace him or Nabbout. - Florin - on his day one of our best but inconsistent. Think we can do better - Tsubaki loan ends and won’t want to extend it waste of a visa spot. so going into next season hypothetically we could be on the hunt for 4 new visa spots - I'm more than happy with Luna (29 yo). IMO definitely worth a contract extension. - I think Noone (33 yo) is worthy of a one-year extension if he wants it, but we should see more and more of Tilio as time passes. - Berenguer (32yo) - no, I've made my case there. Not worthy of extension. Goes missing too often, can't shoot and his passing is often too timid - like last night. - Tsubaki. IMO last night he blew his best chance so far to impress. I don't know why he's here, because he isn't challenging for a start. CFG have got scouts everywhere so why him is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityBoyz Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: - I'm more than happy with Luna (29 yo). IMO definitely worth a contract extension. - I think Noone (33 yo) is worthy of a one-year extension if he wants it, but we should see more and more of Tilio as time passes. - Berenguer (32yo) - no, I've made my case there. Not worthy of extension. Goes missing too often, can't shoot and his passing is often too timid - like last night. - Tsubaki. IMO last night he blew his best chance so far to impress. I don't know why he's here, because he isn't challenging for a start. CFG have got scouts everywhere so why him is beyond me. Tsubaki is the one of the most puzzling visa signing we’ve had in our history as City. Just a waste of a visa spot tbh Edited April 30, 2021 by CityBoyz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 3 hours ago, kingofhearts said: Flo is a good starting player. When he comes off the bench he just isn't as effective. If he isn't starting, he's pretty much useless imo Flo goes missing agaibst tough opposition. No point wasting a visa spot on a player you would be wary of starting in a GF. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, CityBoyz said: Tsubaki is the one of the most puzzling visa signing we’ve had in our history as City. Just a waste of a visa spot tbh Now thats a big call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 20 minutes ago, Jovan said: Now thats a big call. Which other city visa player has contributed less in terms of minutes played, assists or goals etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) Have to agree, he's no better than any young player we have let alone our more experienced players. Edit: with the comments above about Tsubaki I didn't realise this thread was Berenguers. My comment is about Tsubaki. Edited May 1, 2021 by n i k o 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJV Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 I have the same feeling now as I did when we signed him under Joyce, Is this the best we can do? Don't get me wrong, Florin is a tidy player, with good technical skill, nice touch, decent dribbling ability and passing range, but he just goes missing so damn often to the point that his ability, even when "on", barely justifies the visa spot he is taking. I can't even think of 10 games over the course of almost three seasons where he has truly made the difference that a league winning/strong creative attacking midfielder should, like, for example Diamanti/Ninkovic have done and continue to do almost week in week out. I know he is not necessarily the same type of player as those two, but he should still have more of an influence in games than he does in order to justify his Visa position. With all of CFG's scouting resources and global networks available, we still sign a surprising amount of just decent but not great visa players. Every Visa player should be a crucial element of our side. I honestly feel like we just waste 2-3/5 Visa Spots almost every season 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 12 hours ago, Mr MO said: Which other city visa player has contributed less in terms of minutes played, assists or goals etc? O'halloran, Meewus,Gray, and Hughes just of the top of my head, obviously some are defenders but just by actually contributing or leaving an impression i reackon these blokes have done less. Having said that visa signings are always hit and miss and i might be a lone voice but Tsubaki is a decent player and at some stage have a good spell, hopefully it's with us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 35 minutes ago, Jovan said: O'halloran, Meewus,Gray, and Hughes just of the top of my head, obviously some are defenders but just by actually contributing or leaving an impression i reackon these blokes have done less. Having said that visa signings are always hit and miss and i might be a lone voice but Tsubaki is a decent player and at some stage have a good spell, hopefully it's with us. Some good ones there. Obviously some are Heart players, we didn’t have our extensive scouting network then. Hughes at least scored a goal and Halloran was barely at the club. I agree that he is a decent player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 Tsubaki's intensity when he came on the pitch Thursday night was just absent - something I found interesting given it was his first appearance that I could remember in quite some time, he's young, fresh and pacey coming up against a depleted Newcastle side who had all but given up and I figured he'd have something to prove. I know he only had 10 minutes but far out, when we didn't have the ball he did jack-shit to try and win it back. It was a somewhat different story when we had the ball but even then, I noted he was running into all the wrong spots/not getting into a position to receive the ball quick enough (O'Neill audibly yelled at him twice for it, while Galloway also had an exchange with him). Seemed to me like he's already checked-out tbh. Time to move on and replace him. As for Flo, gah is there a more frustrating player in our squad?? On his day he's a showboating, dribbling/passing/link-up genius but those days are way too sporadic. I'm on the fence as I'm not in favour of messing with our currently very stable squad too much, but equally there's an opportunity to land someone better and more consistent with his spot. Clearly he's behind on the pecking order and needs to prove himself before the season's done - might well get his opportunity to shine come the back-end with our mass of national team/Olympic outs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jovan said: O'halloran, Meewus,Gray, and Hughes just of the top of my head, obviously some are defenders but just by actually contributing or leaving an impression i reackon these blokes have done less. Having said that visa signings are always hit and miss and i might be a lone voice but Tsubaki is a decent player and at some stage have a good spell, hopefully it's with us. IMO you are rationalising here. Why are visa signings "always hit or miss?" I would say that as part of CFG our visa signings should rarely be misses. We are part of the biggest multi-club football entity in the world with scouts on every continent whose job it is to identify potential players for our clubs. Surely they do more than rock up to one match to have a bit of a squiz, look at the stats on transfermarkt and then make a recommendation? I would expect, indeed demand, a detailed dossier on every single potential signing. I don't think we're saying that Berenguer, Tsubaki and others are poor players, just that they occupy a visa place on the roster and don't appear any better than the local option. 1 hour ago, Nate said: Tsubaki's intensity when he came on the pitch Thursday night was just absent - something I found interesting given it was his first appearance that I could remember in quite some time, he's young, fresh and pacey coming up against a depleted Newcastle side who had all but given up and I figured he'd have something to prove. I know he only had 10 minutes but far out, when we didn't have the ball he did jack-shit to try and win it back. It was a somewhat different story when we had the ball but even then, I noted he was running into all the wrong spots/not getting into a position to receive the ball quick enough (O'Neill audibly yelled at him twice for it, while Galloway also had an exchange with him). Seemed to me like he's already checked-out tbh. Time to move on and replace him. As for Flo, gah is there a more frustrating player in our squad?? On his day he's a showboating, dribbling/passing/link-up genius but those days are way too sporadic. I'm on the fence as I'm not in favour of messing with our currently very stable squad too much, but equally there's an opportunity to land someone better and more consistent with his spot. Clearly he's behind on the pecking order and needs to prove himself before the season's done - might well get his opportunity to shine come the back-end with our mass of national team/Olympic outs. Echoes my sentiments completely. Edited May 1, 2021 by jw1739 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 2 hours ago, jw1739 said: IMO you are rationalising here. Why are visa signings "always hit or miss?" I would say that as part of CFG our visa signings should rarely be misses. We are part of the biggest multi-club football entity in the world with scouts on every continent whose job it is to identify potential players for our clubs. Surely they do more than rock up to one match to have a bit of a squiz, look at the stats on transfermarkt and then make a recommendation? I would expect, indeed demand, a detailed dossier on every single potential signing. I don't think we're saying that Berenguer, Tsubaki and others are poor players, just that they occupy a visa place on the roster and don't appear any better than the local option. Echoes my sentiments completely. I'm with Jovan on the hit and miss. Clubs all around the world use visa players and quite often they just don't work out. This isn't just A Melbourne City issue, it comes along with the territory. Robert Koren came along with genuine bona fides and yet failed to make an impact. Multitude of reasons could be why they don't fit - they don't get along with the coach, they find physicality level too different, the style of play is not what they expected, etc. As for Berenguer, I did not expect Metcalfe to be having the season that he is. Last season I would have had Berenguer ahead now its the other way around. As for Tsubaki I am not sure but I think that he has potential but I don't know what position or game style suits him best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluka Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 Florin absolutely rinsed one of their defenders before sliding the ball to Tsubaki who should have tucked it home as well which we can’t forget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 Re-signed whilst the forum was down (no, I’m not connecting the 2!). Knows our system and we’ll get a loyalty bonus under the salary cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Shahanga said: Re-signed whilst the forum was down (no, I’m not connecting the 2!). Knows our system and we’ll get a loyalty bonus under the salary cap. I've been critical of him in the past, but on balance the right decision. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 23 minutes ago, jw1739 said: I've been critical of him in the past, but on balance the right decision. Given that Luna has gone, I agree. Surely his extension comes with a pay cut though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted July 26, 2021 Report Share Posted July 26, 2021 11 hours ago, malloy said: Given that Luna has gone, I agree. Surely his extension comes with a pay cut though. Id suggest even last seasons extension came with a hefty pay cut 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted July 27, 2021 Report Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 hour ago, bt50 said: Id suggest even last seasons extension came with a hefty pay cut Regardless, I stand by my comments 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 Has this guy turned the corner? Has strung together a nice run of games, finger's crossed he can keep it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 Fourth season? I think most of us would have gladly said goodbye after the first two, but he's stuck at it and is probably now showing why he was signed in the first place. Lovely goal. Previously he couldn't get it over the line from about two yards! Well done M'sieur! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 10 hours ago, kingofhearts said: Has this guy turned the corner? Has strung together a nice run of games, finger's crossed he can keep it up The cynic in me says that he is acutely aware that he may not be offered another contract extension at the end of the season and he is trying to ensure he does. Regardless, I am glad he has hit a patch if good form and I hope this is the new standard (much like when Scotty J turned it around). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 hour ago, malloy said: The cynic in me says that he is acutely aware that he may not be offered another contract extension at the end of the season and he is trying to ensure he does. Regardless, I am glad he has hit a patch if good form and I hope this is the new standard (much like when Scotty J turned it around). IMO on current form he's worth keeping on for another season. He'll be 33 in April, but maybe he's getting better with age! He seems so much more confident these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 I'm going to be a bit of a negative Nancy here. I still feel that Florian is a flat-track assassin. He only performs against weaker teams, and from memory he always plays better when coming out of contract. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughJass Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 year contract extension https://melbournecityfc.com.au/news/melbourne-city-fc-midfielder-florin-berenguer-re-signs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 16 minutes ago, HughJass said: 1 year contract extension https://melbournecityfc.com.au/news/melbourne-city-fc-midfielder-florin-berenguer-re-signs Deserved based on the recent games, would help as well with loyalty outside cap payments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 I was wrong about Florin (because I'm sure there have been times when I've doubted the decision to retain him) and I was wrong about Leckie. Both are worth their place in our team. Pleased Florin is staying. Maybe Paramount will finally spell his name consistently correctly now. Not Florian... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 Prepare for him to go back to being shit. Always been the pattern that when he's coming out of contract he plays better and then drops off after signing an extension. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missing_Moy Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 Aussie citizen soon ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 Absolutely wild that the forum whipping boy of the past 4 years is probably leading the Johnny Warren medal right now, such a big improvement 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 thanks for backing me up Flo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 Deserved favourite for the Johnny Warren, a terrific example of perseverance and pretty well just a great story all round. Pleasure to watch him each week at the moment. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, bt50 said: Deserved favourite for the Johnny Warren, a terrific example of perseverance and pretty well just a great story all round. Pleasure to watch him each week at the moment. Who would have thought that one day we would say ''Florin is one of our few creative outlets at the moment''. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 hours ago, bt50 said: Deserved favourite for the Johnny Warren, a terrific example of perseverance and pretty well just a great story all round. Pleasure to watch him each week at the moment. Admit my assessment of him in the first two seasons was way off the mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 The Johnny Warren is a 2 man race at the moment. Florin or Leo Lecroix, I'd be comfortable with either winning tbh. So I fully expect it to be a tie between Diamanti and Sturridge 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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