3 Points Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 From this I'm reading that our squad is not as good as what people think and the City group have wasted their money assembling this group of players. http://m.goal.com/s/en-au/news/4021/a-league/2017/01/28/32031342/valkanis-stop-disrespecting-the-a-league?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FePzE6dH8e5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 On 25/01/2017 at 5:53 PM, Shahanga said: Lol. i think he's been appointed largely because he successfully toed the company line. That's what I got out of the press release anyway. Green line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF33 Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 20 minutes ago, 3 Points said: From this I'm reading that our squad is not as good as what people think and the City group have wasted their money assembling this group of players. http://m.goal.com/s/en-au/news/4021/a-league/2017/01/28/32031342/valkanis-stop-disrespecting-the-a-league?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FePzE6dH8e5 Yes, Valkanis is correct. It isn't a PlayStation game. In real life we have managers who are responsible for assembling teams with parts that fit together and sculpting those parts so that they are efficient at playing a gamestyle that is suited to them. If all we're going to get from Valkanis is square pegs ind round holes and excuses every week, he can get out of the way and we'll try someone else. I guess the fact that they felt it worthwhile to announce that they were removing his interim title and giving him the reins for a whole 13 games before they find someone better says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 39 minutes ago, 3 Points said: From this I'm reading that our squad is not as good as what people think and the City group have wasted their money assembling this group of players. http://m.goal.com/s/en-au/news/4021/a-league/2017/01/28/32031342/valkanis-stop-disrespecting-the-a-league?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FePzE6dH8e5 I don't think that there's much doubt that the squad is not as good as people thought it was going to be, and its weaknesses are being compounded by dumb coaching. In my book players such as Bouzanis, Rose, Malik, Muscat, Franjic, Brattan, Arzani, Retre and Kamau are all either poor signings to begin with or are underperforming. With injuries to Gameiro and Kuzi and the departure of Chapman this leaves a huge hole in the squad. The team is not being set up to get the best out of the others. At the rate we are going we could well finish out of the six. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 14 hours ago, Jovan said: I wonder how much he will believe when lodging his centrelink papers in a few months. I get this feeling that he will get a 3yr contract at the end of the season 😧 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 41 minutes ago, HeartOfCity said: I get this feeling that he will get a 3yr contract at the end of the season 😧 That's not even funny. Get a grip man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 39 minutes ago, Jovan said: That's not even funny. Get a grip man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCY HERO Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 I don't think we should sack Michael I think we need serious defensive reinforcements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 At the end of the day he's a caretaker coach, so we're getting a caretaker coach service. It was a bit naive to think that just because he was in charge now he was going to bring in sweeping changes. I doubt he'll change much if anything over the next few weeks unfortuantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Valkanis vs Durakovic vs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 10 hours ago, kingofhearts said: At the end of the day he's a caretaker coach, so we're getting a caretaker coach service. It was a bit naive to think that just because he was in charge now he was going to bring in sweeping changes. I doubt he'll change much if anything over the next few weeks unfortuantly. But he's a complete dummy nevertheless. Because we don't need sweeping changes. Play the back four 20m deeper, transition the ball quicker, and play Cahill off the bench, get the other substutions better organised, and we can still "play the way we want to play" and win matches at the same time. The media can see it, we can see it, every other team in the league can see it, but the dummy cannot. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 On 28/01/2017 at 1:53 PM, HeartOfCity said: I get this feeling that he will get a 3yr contract at the end of the season 😧 This club- "you get a 3 year contract! You get a three year contract!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) Unless he wins the seat, Valkanis is no chance of getting the gig imo Even then i doubt he'll get it. Edited January 29, 2017 by bt50 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 I honestly think that there are people on this Forum who could do a better job, and at the very least would do no worse. With the experience and talents of of the players we have, I'm certain of it. All they need is someone who's good at harnessing what they offer - it's the same with any management job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 1 minute ago, jw1739 said: I honestly think that there are people on this Forum who could do a better job, and at the very least would do no worse. With the experience and talents of of the players we have, I'm certain of it. All they need is someone who's good at harnessing what they offer - it's the same with any management job. Haha with due respect, and as much as i probably agree tactically I'm not really sure that would be the case. Having the respect of, and being able to manage the personalities of the dressing room is a much harder task than I reckon many here appreciate. I agree it is hard to imagine that a complete shake up of tactics as many of us have suggested on here wouldn't make for vastly improved results regardless of 'having the dressing room' but yeh i dunno, if it was that easy everyone would do it i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, bt50 said: Haha with due respect, and as much as i probably agree tactically I'm not really sure that would be the case. Having the respect of, and being able to manage the personalities of the dressing room is a much harder task than I reckon many here appreciate. I agree it is hard to imagine that a complete shake up of tactics as many of us have suggested on here wouldn't make for vastly improved results regardless of 'having the dressing room' but yeh i dunno, if it was that easy everyone would do it i guess. Well, I hear what you say but I don't wholly agree with you. My experiences (outside football) are that there is a "management club" that tends to promote from within and via the "old boy network" and that it's very hard to get into that club if you are an outsider. Also I've done quite a bit of management theory and training, and a major problem with managers "who have experience in a particular field" is that they tend to micromanage and not let the team who reports to them get on with the job and make the technical decisions. Anyway, I'm offering my services. I'll do it for nothing as well, just for the love of the club. And I reckon with a leadership group of players we could do better than 33%. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) Judging by the body language of the players and the way they play on the field there seems to be a lack of management on all accounts. The team seems rudderless on and off the field. Edited January 30, 2017 by playmaker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: Well, I hear what you say but I don't wholly agree with you. My experiences (outside football) are that there is a "management club" that tends to promote from within and via the "old boy network" and that it's very hard to get into that club if you are an outsider. Also I've done quite a bit of management theory and training, and a major problem with managers "who have experience in a particular field" is that they tend to micromanage and not let the team who reports to them get on with the job and make the technical decisions. Anyway, I'm offering my services. I'll do it for nothing as well, just for the love of the club. And I reckon with a leadership group of players we could do better than 33%. Yeh of course, it’s definitely harder to get a job from outside the circle, in this case former players often are the first to get picked up as assistants and then move into the manager role when they are deemed ready. Sometimes, and often in the case of legends of the game, this is before time because the fan sentiment and marketing value is so high that the club pulls the trigger before their ready. Think Aloisi for Heart. I think I saw an article once that said about 25% of managers admitted they weren’t ready when they got their first gig. The jobs for the boys theory is probably applicable at first when they are drafted in as an assistant, but generally speaking, and I stress that because there are always exceptions, I don’t really think that is an issue when it comes to the actual manager. The bad ones are always weeded out, as judged by their peers. Club environments are always striving to be better, even if the people making those decisions aren’t very good at making them. The clubs will almost always appoint who they think are the best candidate available; the problem comes when their judgement of ‘best’ doesn’t match reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCY HERO Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) Anyone listening to Will wagner? @thisphantomfortressand @Hellenic Herohave mentioned him before? Edited January 30, 2017 by MCY HERO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 9 hours ago, KSK_47 said: This club- "you get a 3 year contract! You get a three year contract!" Gold!!!! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXCiTyZeNXx Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 We played good last night but now he wants to go back to how we used to play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 I think (hope) Valkanis's influence is starting to show. Looking more organised, playing more purposeful football. To organise a defence properly takes weeks, especially coming off such a low base. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXCiTyZeNXx Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 16 minutes ago, Shahanga said: I think (hope) Valkanis's influence is starting to show. Looking more organised, playing more purposeful football. To organise a defence properly takes weeks, especially coming off such a low base. I get concerned as we have a championship material team and if fornaroli was playing last night he would have scored as the team was playing better with more space in the midfeild but the way we played against victory after we scored was a disaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 21 hours ago, Shahanga said: I think (hope) Valkanis's influence is starting to show. Looking more organised, playing more purposeful football. To organise a defence properly takes weeks, especially coming off such a low base. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I have no doubt in my mind we will go back to play the great old city way when we get our senior players back this week. Only reason we were so defensive was because we we're playing with a bunch of nobodies last week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 54 minutes ago, kingofhearts said: I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I have no doubt in my mind we will go back to play the great old city way when we get our senior players back this week. Only reason we were so defensive was because we we're playing with a bunch of nobodies last week And we should have won 2-0 if we take out the illegal decisions made. Go figure. Defensive = win How does that work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, playmaker said: And we should have won 1-0 if we take out the illegal decisions made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 Just now, KSK_47 said: Nope. Not giving Caceres a penalty was illegal too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 It wasn't illegal, it's the ref's decision to make but it was a very flawed decision based on 'alternative truth'. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 3 hours ago, playmaker said: And we should have won 2-0 if we take out the illegal decisions made. Go figure. Defensive = win How does that work. What has that got to do with anything i posted? At the end of the day, our playing style changed in our last game for 2 reasons: 1) Valkanis saw the error of his ways in the first few games he coached, and has now bought back our defensive line so we are not pressing as high 2) Valkanis saw the team he was going to play and went "oh shit, we are fucked!" and changed our style because he knew we were going to struggle to score, essentially parking the bus and hoping for a draw. Call me cynical but i think the only reason that we changed our style of play last week was due to personnel, not due to valkanis having a brain blast. I reckon that he'll simply just swap in the usual suspects this week, and we'll be back to trying to high press for 90 minutes. I hope i'm wrong, but thats how i feel sorry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 16 minutes ago, kingofhearts said: What has that got to do with anything i posted? At the end of the day, our playing style changed in our last game for 2 reasons: 1) Valkanis saw the error of his ways in the first few games he coached, and has now bought back our defensive line so we are not pressing as high 2) Valkanis saw the team he was going to play and went "oh shit, we are fucked!" and changed our style because he knew we were going to struggle to score, essentially parking the bus and hoping for a draw. Call me cynical but i think the only reason that we changed our style of play last week was due to personnel, not due to valkanis having a brain blast. I reckon that he'll simply just swap in the usual suspects this week, and we'll be back to trying to high press for 90 minutes. I hope i'm wrong, but thats how i feel sorry. You may or may not turn out to be correct but if JVS were still here he would have played the same yoof but also played the exact same high defensive line and frenetic pressing combined with glacial ball speed game that he always instructed the team to play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 hour ago, kingofhearts said: What has that got to do with anything i posted? At the end of the day, our playing style changed in our last game for 2 reasons: 1) Valkanis saw the error of his ways in the first few games he coached, and has now bought back our defensive line so we are not pressing as high 2) Valkanis saw the team he was going to play and went "oh shit, we are fucked!" and changed our style because he knew we were going to struggle to score, essentially parking the bus and hoping for a draw. Call me cynical but i think the only reason that we changed our style of play last week was due to personnel, not due to valkanis having a brain blast. I reckon that he'll simply just swap in the usual suspects this week, and we'll be back to trying to high press for 90 minutes. I hope i'm wrong, but thats how i feel sorry. I am agreeing with you. I was just making a point of how a defensive set up actually can have a better scoring potential. But I totally agree with what you are saying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, playmaker said: I am agreeing with you. I was just making a point of how a defensive set up actually can have a better scoring potential. But I totally agree with what you are saying. Fair point mate my bad, 3 hours sleeps do bad things to a man haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 http://www.melbournecityfc.com.au/article/valkanis-weve-got-a-lot-more-options-this-week-itll-be-hard-to-make-decisions/1ld0f1bd3xvn51d0i231m1ckwa He needs to be sacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, playmaker said: http://www.melbournecityfc.com.au/article/valkanis-weve-got-a-lot-more-options-this-week-itll-be-hard-to-make-decisions/1ld0f1bd3xvn51d0i231m1ckwa He needs to be sacked It's mostly PR crap. We'll see the usual XI with only Pierias and the reserve keeper on the bench. My big prediction... Fitzy to miss out completely on the match day squad. Edited February 17, 2017 by haz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 The guy is in fairyland, still talking about how good we were against Adelaide, and how we continue to not score but dominate the game. And then shirking the comment about scoring being more important to the fans and then saying that they (management group) look deeper than just the scores as if we are all football ignorant. The guy is a tosser. He obviously is not looking deep enough or looking in the wrong place, because to the fan with our supposably inferior insight, it is quite obvious what your team's problem is, it's your game plan, your game style, your attitude, and your leadership. Actually the problem is you. Get f#cked 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 What a gypsy. Next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXCiTyZeNXx Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 (edited) Valkanis needs to go to mental hospital if he wants to go back to playing shit football Edited February 18, 2017 by xXCiTyZeNXx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr lime Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 Fuck him off. Timmy as player-coach for the rest of the season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC22 Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 Unless there was something seriously wrong with Tonga (which there didn't appear to be), then Valkanis is to blame tonight. Manny Muscat - fuck you. That 40 minutes was a HOF Heart/City performance, up there with Mifsud, Maycon and Colossimo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 I've been withholding judgment until I'd seen a few games. Worse than JVS sack this muppet now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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