KSK_47 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 Just now, heart1011 said: 110 percent it is.. it's so fucking obvious now. Did you see how far we were in the box when the pen was taken? 100% our fault 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 Oh how obvious, every 50/50 was already going their way but this is taken it to another level. On the pen, I actually thought Reis kicked the ball first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 GET NUNO REIS OFF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 I can't even Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart1011 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 If tonight doesn't prove how shit the finals series has become I don't know what will.. 4 minutes ago, KSK_47 said: Did you see how far we were in the box when the pen was taken? 100% our fault Yeah looking at the replay I can see it now.. still shits me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 Omg. We are so fucking lucky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart1011 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 To think in the first half it could have been 3-0... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 1 minute ago, heart1011 said: To think in the first half it could have been 3-0... That is nothing new. It has been going on all season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart1011 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 This game has been a joke.. VAR The shitty pitch The shithouse crowd The ref... What's next? Townsend to come on as a sub for Shitney?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 If we're serious about getting into the grand final we'll never put jamo on the pitch again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 So all the high 7 minutes ago, heart1011 said: This game has been a joke.. VAR The shitty pitch The shithouse crowd The ref... What's next? Townsend to come on as a sub for Shitney?? And Grant being a c*unt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 Just now, kingofhearts said: If we're serious about getting into the grand final we'll never put jamo on the pitch again Tell me he's past it, without telling me he's past it... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 So away goals don't count anymore, so the only advantage is that you host the last game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart1011 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 Lets be honest boys and I'm not just saying this because of tonight's result.. Finals mean shit now.. apart from a trophy it gives you absolutely nothing.. we won what matters and are playing in the ACL again. Of course if we were to win the GF it would be a nice way to end the season but the finals is litteraly an end of season cup.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moops Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 33 minutes ago, Mr MO said: Oh how obvious, every 50/50 was already going their way but this is taken it to another level. On the pen, I actually thought Reis kicked the ball first. Same with Nuno, clearly got the ball, but they have been given and it was all the sniff the ref needed. Just now, heart1011 said: Lets be honest boys and I'm not just saying this because of tonight's result.. Finals mean shit now.. apart from a trophy it gives you absolutely nothing.. we won what matters and are playing in the ACL again. Of course if we were to win the GF it would be a nice way to end the season but the finals is litteraly an end of season cup.. I've always seen it as a cup, AFC see's it as a cup as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 8 minutes ago, Mr MO said: So away goals don't count anymore, so the only advantage is that you host the last game? Let's hope so! Want to flog these smurfs next week! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moops Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 No extra time, pens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 (edited) 50 minutes ago, heart1011 said: Lets be honest boys and I'm not just saying this because of tonight's result.. Finals mean shit now.. apart from a trophy it gives you absolutely nothing.. we won what matters and are playing in the ACL again. Of course if we were to win the GF it would be a nice way to end the season but the finals is litteraly an end of season cup.. Look. I understand that most people on here watch European football where the regular season title is the most significant. However, we have a chance to win another trophy and should be treating the final series seriously. I understand everyone is pissed off at the grand final hosting decision, but we don't know when we will get another chance to add to the trophy cabinet so let's go for it whilst we can We were really poor tonight barring 10-15 minutes of the game and are lucky to be walking away with a draw. Hopefully being at home means we'll be much better, but we cannot bring the same level of intensity that we brought tonight and expect that things will just "happen" for us. Sydney have been playing well of late, and it's going to take our best performance to beat them Edited May 12 by kingofhearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 12 minutes ago, kingofhearts said: Look. I understand that most people on here watch European football where the regular season title is the most significant. However, we have a chance to win another trophy and should be treating the final series seriously. I understand everyone is pissed off at the grand final hosting decision, but we don't know when we will get another chance to add to the trophy cabinet so let's get it I agree with this. IMO it applies to any competition at any level that we're in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, KSK_47 said: Did you see how far we were in the box when the pen was taken? 100% our fault Can somebody confirm that you actually can change penalty takers after an infringement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moops Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, Mr MO said: Can somebody confirm that you actually can change penalty takers after an infringement? Â https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-14---the-penalty-kick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 58 minutes ago, moops said:  https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-14---the-penalty-kick Still can’t find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 10 hours ago, Mr MO said: Can somebody confirm that you actually can change penalty takers after an infringement? Yes, you can. I have read it in multiple places. I'm not sure that the latest rules specifically allow or preclude it, but it is allowed. See https://refchat.co.uk/threads/penalty-retakes.7580/#:~:text=Within the 90 (or 120,retaken%2C the kicker can change. I know that link is old but there are plenty of others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 I'll add to that though - I was surprised by it because I don't recall ever seeing such a change before. I've seen the "famous" Olsen/Cruyff penalty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TADjoj7urV0, but not a change of kicker before. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 I'll take a draw last night even though a win would have been a bit of a relief. Draw was handy as Sydney obviously going to be up for it with their home crowd and cow paddock pitch surface, so not a bad result. We need to punish them next week and be more clinical in front of goals as we created plenty of chances but just didn't convert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyh001 Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 frustrated by the result but feel very fortunate that they had two goals chalked off by VAR. feel a little sorry for Talbot, but that VAR decision is 100% correct. one take away i had from last night is that a number of smurfs looked cooked at the 75-80 min mark. for me that puts us in good stead for Friday, particularly if we are back at full strength. fingers crossed it's nothing serious with O'Neil. with him back in (in place of VDV who i thought was really poor last night) and Lam for Nuno, i honestly believe we will give them a pasting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 4 hours ago, mattyh001 said: frustrated by the result but feel very fortunate that they had two goals chalked off by VAR. feel a little sorry for Talbot, but that VAR decision is 100% correct. one take away i had from last night is that a number of smurfs looked cooked at the 75-80 min mark. for me that puts us in good stead for Friday, particularly if we are back at full strength. fingers crossed it's nothing serious with O'Neil. with him back in (in place of VDV who i thought was really poor last night) and Lam for Nuno, i honestly believe we will give them a pasting. Although I loathe VAR in the first place and IMO it very overused in the A-League, and that it should be used only in limited circumstances and then only at the request of the on-field referee, if it is going to be used then it has to be applied fairly to both teams, and I don't see that it was applied unfairly in last night's match.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 A frustrating game: we controlled the first half but failed to adapt during the second half. A draw was fair. Positives: A good first half from us, although we missed Lam in defence and O'Neill in midfield; Nuno needs to make fewer defensive errors. It was telling that Glover was our best player; we have him to thank for the tie still being alive. Â Negatives: Too many players MIA: JMac, Florin, vdV The Smurfs closed down the passing lanes and controlled space better in the second half; we failed to adapt. Very few younger players get minutes; why even select them? We have a good Academy and a great young-player production line, but the transition to the senior team seems to have stopped with Bos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 23 minutes ago, belaguttman said: Very few younger players get minutes; why even select them? We have a good Academy and a great young-player production line, but the transition to the senior team seems to have stopped with Bos. According to the rules we have to have a certain number of U-23 players in the match squad. https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/sydney-penalised-for-a-league-bench-rule-breach-578822 This is why we have to be careful in our signings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 (edited) 20 minutes ago, jw1739 said: According to the rules we have to have a certain number of U-23 players in the match squad. https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/sydney-penalised-for-a-league-bench-rule-breach-578822 This is why we have to be careful in our signings. they are only bench-warmers, not good for their careers or for us next season. We really need to avoid the trap the Smurfs fell into of retaining an ageing squad, with all their good young players leaving (for us). Edited May 13 by belaguttman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 1 hour ago, belaguttman said: they are only bench-warmers, not good for their careers or for us next season. We really need to avoid the trap the Smurfs fell into of retaining an ageing squad, with all their good young players leaving (for us). We have definitely capitalised on the smurfs sticking with the seniors over the youth. I feel this is probably Sydney's last genuine crack at the grand final as i can't see them remaining competitive with this old squad. One of a couple teams that need a huge overhaul! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 1 hour ago, belaguttman said: they are only bench-warmers, not good for their careers or for us next season. We really need to avoid the trap the Smurfs fell into of retaining an ageing squad, with all their good young players leaving (for us). I agree. This concerns me a little when we look at our squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyh001 Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 16 hours ago, jw1739 said: Although I loathe VAR in the first place and IMO it very overused in the A-League, and that it should be used only in limited circumstances and then only at the request of the on-field referee, if it is going to be used then it has to be applied fairly to both teams, and I don't see that it was applied unfairly in last night's match.  complete agreement with you; the VAR on Friday night was evenly applied to both teams. we have no real leg to stand on complaining about any VAR decision outside of the VAR being trigger happy to review every little thing. and that's where your first point is bang on. the VAR is there for the absolutely clear and obvious error. while the right result came through on the Leckie goal, i do wonder how there could have been a clear and obvious error. both offside goals and the penalty retakes were clear as mud. unfortunately, the powers that be see this as an end in itself 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 Ive got no issue with the decision to retake the pen in of itself, but it is extremely annoying when its the first time theyve decided to look at it all year. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyh001 Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 (edited) yeah, annoying since encroachment is so rarely called on penalties. my take is that generally encroachment very rarely has an impact since the vast majority of penalties are scored by the taker (either straight up or via rebound), put wide or saved (held by the keeper or turned around the post). hence, its rarely call since there's little to no impact on the result - Talbot on the other had had a very clear impact on what happened on where the ball ended up. so while its frustrating with the Talbot situation that its so rarely seen, i do also think we have to focus on what we can control; not lunging into poor tackles (Nuno Reis) or waiting until the shots taken (Talbot). Edited May 14 by mattyh001 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 3 hours ago, mattyh001 said: yeah, annoying since encroachment is so rarely called on penalties. my take is that generally encroachment very rarely has an impact since the vast majority of penalties are scored by the taker (either straight up or via rebound), put wide or saved (held by the keeper or turned around the post). hence, its rarely call since there's little to no impact on the result - Talbot on the other had had a very clear impact on what happened on where the ball ended up. so while its frustrating with the Talbot situation that its so rarely seen, i do also think we have to focus on what we can control; not lunging into poor tackles (Nuno Reis) or waiting until the shots taken (Talbot). Something to train on, could Glover followed through and grabbed the ball in second instance. I need to watch it again but I remember seeing him getting up and stepping back when Talbot cleared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 4 hours ago, bt50 said: Ive got no issue with the decision to retake the pen in of itself, but it is extremely annoying when its the first time theyve decided to look at it all year. It kind of leaves the impression that they can let it go during the season because "things even themselves out over the season don't they?" but in the finals "let's watch it closely." Overall, best not to complain though - pre-VAR I doubt very much that the offside call would have been made on Sydney's disallowed goal. Further, it brings into focus wastefulness in front of goal, which is something that I think we need to look at in general terms. If you put away the easy ones then you don't have to worry about the odd decision going against you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 Imo if Talbot didn't get to the ball first and clear it they wouldn't reverse the decision. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 Are we all going Friday night then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted May 15 Author Report Share Posted May 15 Just now, citypool said: Are we all going Friday night then? I always was. This part of the finals is unchanged so I see no reason to boycott. I accept others think differently. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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