Active Support

[heart1011]

Anyone know the story is and why City Terrace has folded? 



 

[haz]

[Mr MO]

[Torn Asunder]

So City Terrace has folded but is going to occupy and fill Bay 12? what does this mean?

After the Derby Debacle, clubs have pretty much decided they don't (need) want Active, and they will accept not having the Active atmosphere over the potential occasional trouble caused by an empowered Active group. 

Reputationally (nationally and internationally) the Derby Debacle was very very bad for the league.  Squashing the risk of this happening again is the outcome.

I hope active can rebuild, but that it becomes more of a whole of ground thing, with good songs that City Supporters can embrace (rather than the dumb Fuck Off chants).  I go to all games, and there are heaps of kids that like to sing along to the decent chants ... this is hopefully the future.

 

[jw1739]

AFAIK Bay 12 is a ticketed seat area. Presumably those who want to sit there will need to have City Blue memberships. If certain City members have been banned then presumably they have not been allowed to buy new memberships to sit there. Goodness me, what a shambles.

I'm ambivalent about it all. IMO the club can indeed live without "active." But for the flares from our end at the Derby it would not have happened of course, so to an extent the Terrace has brought this on itself. Such a shame though that it has ended up like this.

Like @Torn Asunder I hope that we can rebuild active support but this time in such a way that embraces everyone around the ground. It's not just the young who like to join in with familiar songs and chants! 

[n i k o]

2 hours ago, Torn Asunder said:

So City Terrace has folded but is going to occupy and fill Bay 12? what does this mean?

After the Derby Debacle, clubs have pretty much decided they don't (need) want Active, and they will accept not having the Active atmosphere over the potential occasional trouble caused by an empowered Active group. 

Reputationally (nationally and internationally) the Derby Debacle was very very bad for the league.  Squashing the risk of this happening again is the outcome.

I hope active can rebuild, but that it becomes more of a whole of ground thing, with good songs that City Supporters can embrace (rather than the dumb Fuck Off chants).  I go to all games, and there are heaps of kids that like to sing along to the decent chants ... this is hopefully the future.

 

 

2 hours ago, jw1739 said:

AFAIK Bay 12 is a ticketed seat area. Presumably those who want to sit there will need to have City Blue memberships. If certain City members have been banned then presumably they have not been allowed to buy new memberships to sit there. Goodness me, what a shambles.

I'm ambivalent about it all. IMO the club can indeed live without "active." But for the flares from our end at the Derby it would not have happened of course, so to an extent the Terrace has brought this on itself. Such a shame though that it has ended up like this.

Like @Torn Asunder I hope that we can rebuild active support but this time in such a way that embraces everyone around the ground. It's not just the young who like to join in with familiar songs and chants! 

In relation to your posts, in particular the derby....the msg from City Terrace was about ongoing problems for the last 4 years. Im wondering what your thoughts are with relation to that. 

[jw1739]

38 minutes ago, n i k o said:

 

In relation to your posts, in particular the derby....the msg from City Terrace was about ongoing problems for the last 4 years. Im wondering what your thoughts are with relation to that. 

@n i k oGiven where my City Blue membership seats are I have had no issues with "active" except during the "COVID phase" when we were asked to use other seats. At one match these were in either Bay 13 or Bay 14 (I can't remember the precise detail) and "City Terrace" were in Bay 12, and there was a good deal of drunkenness and foul language which - but let's not make too much of an issue with it - I didn't appreciate at the time with my wife. There's a time and place for everything and it wasn't the right time and place as far as I was concerned. So we all moved to another bay.

Other than that I don't know what the Terrace is referring to. I'd say that generally there has been a gradual stifling of "active" over the seasons - we don't have banners and flags any more being an example, but I've seen that as general across the league rather than specific to City.

Like I said, I'm ambivalent about the end of "active." They are obviously aggrieved but TBH I don't see them as having added much value in recent seasons. There's not much if anything in their repertoire that's City-specific or has caught on around the ground.

[rass]

I noticed on Saturday and in the media coverage, several lads were wearing black t-shirts with 'Riverside' printed on them. Including the boys at the centre of the trouble.

What's that all about? New terrace?

[Cityzen81]

4 minutes ago, rass said:

I noticed on Saturday and in the media coverage, several lads were wearing black t-shirts with 'Riverside' printed on them. Including the boys at the centre of the trouble.

What's that all about? New terrace?

They seem to be a sub group perhaps like S16

[jw1739]

20 minutes ago, rass said:

I noticed on Saturday and in the media coverage, several lads were wearing black t-shirts with 'Riverside' printed on them. Including the boys at the centre of the trouble.

What's that all about? New terrace?

They're slow learners, if nothing else.

[Torn Asunder]

3 hours ago, n i k o said:

 

In relation to your posts, in particular the derby....the msg from City Terrace was about ongoing problems for the last 4 years. Im wondering what your thoughts are with relation to that. 

The derby debacle was the straw that broke the camels back ... It is a shame we dont have a functional active that has a good relationship with the officials.  Back to my FRG days, there was always this wall between the two ... active wanted its independence thinking what it brought to the game created the atmosphere the game needed to be successful, and hence thinking it had leverage over the club.  

[malloy]

3 hours ago, Torn Asunder said:

The derby debacle was the straw that broke the camels back ... It is a shame we dont have a functional active that has a good relationship with the officials.  Back to my FRG days, there was always this wall between the two ... active wanted its independence thinking what it brought to the game created the atmosphere the game needed to be successful, and hence thinking it had leverage over the club.  

Just to clarify the position so far as your comment pertains to Yarraside.

1. Yarraside was not of the view it held leverage over the club. It may not have been apparent to the FRG, but Yarraside had a good working relationship with Scott Munn.

2. Yarraside was of the view that the atmosphere created by active support generally across all teams was vital to the success of the league.

3. Yarraside's non-negotiable independence was borne from the ethos that the passion of active support should be built by the fans and in no way manufactured by the club and that once you cease being fully independent you start having to make compromises for interests that an independent group would not need to make.

As for other groups that came after Yarraside, I cannot comment.

Edited February 23, 2023 by malloy
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[citypool]

Active takes itself way to serious. Just rock up and sing 

[heart1011]

3 hours ago, malloy said:

Just to clarify the position so far as your comment pertains to Yarraside.

1. Yarraside was not of the view it held leverage over the club. It may not have been apparent to the FRG, but Yarraside had a good working relationship with Scott Munn.

2. Yarraside was of the view that the atmosphere created by active support generally across all teams was vital to the success of the league.

3. Yarraside's non-negotiable independence was borne from the ethos that the passion of active support should be built by the fans and in no way manufactured by the club and that once you cease being fully independent you start having to make compromises for interests that an independent group would not need to make.

As for other groups that came after Yarraside, I cannot comment.

Man I miss the Yarraside days..

[jw1739]

14 minutes ago, heart1011 said:

Man I miss the Yarraside days..

Dig out some of the old videos and take a trip down Memory Lane. But we were a real club in those days, but a shadow of it now.

[heart1011]

5 minutes ago, jw1739 said:

Dig out some of the old videos and take a trip down Memory Lane. But we were a real club in those days, but a shadow of it now.

So sad yet so true

[bellydrum]

10 hours ago, Torn Asunder said:

I hope active can rebuild, but that it becomes more of a whole of ground thing, with good songs that City Supporters can embrace (rather than the dumb Fuck Off chants).  I go to all games, and there are heaps of kids that like to sing along to the decent chants ... this is hopefully the future.

I hope so too. After 3+ years at the top, our active are still obsessed with the opposition and overly negative chants. Makes you wonder whether they actually support the team or if it's just a chest beating exercise.

It's not hard to see that other parts of the crowd generally become more involved when chants are positive and simple. If active are genuine about creating an atmosphere, they would lean into this.

We won't ever have many fans who are interested in the same brand of active support as MV/WSW (at least I hope not). Why bother trying to emulate them?

1 hour ago, citypool said:

Active takes itself way too serious. Just rock up and sing 

^ this is generally A-league wide. Active support groups have delusions of grandeur.

[CityWildcat]

I've been an ''Active'' member for 10yrs and in earlier Heart days always made a beeline for the Active area.  Craving the atmosphere I used to get in the Trent End at the City Ground (NFFC).

But like, in the older blokes' area LOL up the back.

I had a bird's eye view of the December debacle and it was not at all impressive at our end either.

In summary, I am tired of the wannabe ''ultras'' ... it's put me off and if I do renew my membership next year it won't be behind the goal. Which doesn't thrill me because often the rest of AAMI is like a morgue until a goal is scored..

I'm not tarring all the enthusiastic  CT types with this brush, but there are just enough of the flare-crazy kids to screw it up for me.  And they're a bit like cops - they seem to get younger every year ha ha ha.

The emergence of even more wannabes  i.e. ''riverside32'' ''yarra blazing squad'' (WTF?)  on social media has me rolling my eyeballs even more, but I'm also hoping it's just 3 kids logging on when mum is not watching,   They can be thankful they are just playing at it.  People still get very badly hurt or worse taking this BS to illogical extremes in other countries.

 

 

 

 

[fensaddler]

11 hours ago, CityWildcat said:

I've been an ''Active'' member for 10yrs and in earlier Heart days always made a beeline for the Active area.  Craving the atmosphere I used to get in the Trent End at the City Ground (NFFC).

But like, in the older blokes' area LOL up the back.

I had a bird's eye view of the December debacle and it was not at all impressive at our end either.

In summary, I am tired of the wannabe ''ultras'' ... it's put me off and if I do renew my membership next year it won't be behind the goal. Which doesn't thrill me because often the rest of AAMI is like a morgue until a goal is scored..

I'm not tarring all the enthusiastic  CT types with this brush, but there are just enough of the flare-crazy kids to screw it up for me.  And they're a bit like cops - they seem to get younger every year ha ha ha.

The emergence of even more wannabes  i.e. ''riverside32'' ''yarra blazing squad'' (WTF?)  on social media has me rolling my eyeballs even more, but I'm also hoping it's just 3 kids logging on when mum is not watching,   They can be thankful they are just playing at it.  People still get very badly hurt or worse taking this BS to illogical extremes in other countries.

 

 

 

 

Another oldish bloke here shares your sentiments. Having seen the Trent End in action from the far end as an opposition (Walsall) supporter I know exactly what you are on about. And I crave an ounce of the spontaneous passion and humour that I recall from the Street End at Walsall. We come from a different fan culture, and as such don't understand why active support needs to be organised. Just turn up, gather with the other noisy buggers and sing. Doesn't need megaphones or tifos. Bring your own flag, drum or ukelele if you want to.

Also agreed re these wannabe ultras. I remember the eighties in the UK and the associated violence and hooliganism. I remember being herded about as if I was a dangerous invader, and having to jump over walls, run away and hide, and constantly watch my back. Can I say this bluntly. WE DO NOT WANT TO FUCKING GO THERE. Kids won't listen of course. Some always want to play with matches and then wonder where the fire came from and why they have no house anymore.

I share your sad ambivalence and even recent memories of the warm, noisy, funny atmosphere we had even a few years ago, and in the Heart days. I don't want to be Victory. I don't want to be anything like fucking Victory. That's why I chose Heart back when I arrived in the country in 2011. I want us to be us, because we're a fabulous bunch of supporters, at heart. Too many gone, too many disillusioned. Good, genuine people who have even given up this season. I feel a genuine sense of mourning for what and who we have lost.

Edited February 24, 2023 by fensaddler

[jw1739]

A very old bloke tossing in his tuppenceworth. I lay much of the blame for what has happened to both the league and the club. I feel that both have lost touch with their fanbase, and don't seek to embrace it at all. And behind that I lay much of the blame at the feet of foreign ownership and the concept of football as a business.

As for "active" I agree with @fensaddler and others, although I grew up on English non-league football with average attendances between 2,000 and 4,000 and so was spared all the hooliganism. We had no trouble generating "atmosphere" at our matches. I'd like to see "active" see itself as the nucleus of City-specific songs and chants etc. that will catch on a spread around the ground. Other than that I can't see why "active" need to consider themselves as something special. And there's no place for hooligans under any circumstances whatsoever.

[kingofhearts]

Why don't we bring in an age limit to the terrance? No one under 18 is allowed unless they bring a guardian (preferably a parent) or at the very least, send out permission slips for their parents to sign? Then theirs no kids running wild in the terrance. And if they're really naughty, we can let their parents know.

[fensaddler]

2 hours ago, kingofhearts said:

Why don't we bring in an age limit to the terrance? No one under 18 is allowed unless they bring a guardian (preferably a parent) or at the very least, send out permission slips for their parents to sign? Then theirs no kids running wild in the terrance. And if they're really naughty, we can let their parents know.

For the days when you could give the little buggers a clip round the ear and their parents would thank you...

[MHFC-FAN]

Anyone know what happened in Goschs paddock after the game? 

[KSK_47]

41 minutes ago, MHFC-FAN said:

Anyone know what happened in Goschs paddock after the game? 

Did notice  shit ton of cops as I was walking back to the station. I assume the cove guys that got kicked out were waiting after the game.

[MHFC-FAN]

25 minutes ago, KSK_47 said:

Did notice  shit ton of cops as I was walking back to the station. I assume the cove guys that got kicked out were waiting after the game.

Yeah I didn't realise the cove was in Melb. Saw punches thrown then everyone ran off

[citypool]

What losers these people are going to another city picking fights 

[jw1739]

So, what happened to City Terrace after all? As far as I could see, one forlorn young person was in Bay 12, and he moved at kick-off, and "active" seemed to be back in their usual place behind the goal. A few black T-shirts  amongst them. Same old chants and nothing much seemed to have changed.