haz Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 Jamo on for O'Neill??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannon Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 1 minute ago, haz said: Jamo on for O'Neill??? Strange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 Does Rado not do shooting at training? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 Another wasteful game from us. Becoming an unwanted pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannon Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 well fuck we saved that but gave it away aswell? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 It’s our boogie team, a draw I can live with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 3 minutes ago, Mr MO said: It’s our boogie team, a draw I can live with. Definitely take a draw after that dismal first 45. Also a draw seems fair given Adelaide weren't bad and that nasty injury... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 That was a disappointing game for many reasons apart from the injuries. It's a game that we should have won, based on the number of good chances we had Positives: We rescued a dire situation. We are still playing well. We created plenty of chances: more than enough to win the game. Negatives: It was a dire situation we should never have put ourselves into There are an increasing number of mistakes creeping into our game Our conversion efficiency is well below what it was in previous seasons. We are too reliant on Jamie Maclaren being in good form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 My first game this season and I had to watch that. To top it off the trains were stopped at Flinders street because, apparently, intruders had gone on to the the railway tracks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 29 Author Report Share Posted January 29 (edited) Very disappointing result, but as @belaguttman says, at least these days we seem to be able to rescue a match by coming from two goals down. That's one positive that I could find, the other being that we're still five points clear at the top of the table with the Derby replay in hand. We are becoming painfully predictable in team selection and pattern of play. It's agonising to watch this tippy-tappy crap where we knock the ball around sideways and backwards before losing it. Contrast Adelaide who took 2-3 passes to move from one end of the field to the other. There's a growing tendency for our players to dwell on the ball and telegraph their passes, and we are also woefully shot-shy. Rado needs to show some balls and be prepared to be innovative. No point in naming a squad with Rafa and Sulemani if ultimately they don't even get into the match-day squad let alone on the pitch. Why he thinks that Nabbout and Berenguer are impact subs is beyond me, because neither is. Attendance: 6,337 Edited January 29 by jw1739 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 What a spectacular way to manufacture a draw out of a game we should have won. Superb work from everyone involved not to drop their heads after the mistakes, would have been very easy to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: Contrast Adelaide who took 2-3 passes to move from one end of the field to the other. There's a growing tendency for our players to dwell on the ball and telegraph their passes, and we are also woefully shot-shy. Rado needs to show some balls and be prepared to be innovative. No point in naming a squad with Rafa and Sulemani if ultimately they don't even get into the match-day squad let alone on the pitch. Why he thinks that Nabbout and Berenguer are impact subs is beyond me, because neither are. Also, contrast it to Man City who also plays more vertical passes at times. One other thing that they do better than us (among many things) is to vary the pace off the game: that's also something for us to improve on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 Is Leckie getting more man handled than usual or is it something that I just noticed? Also, was that Bos' second hospital pass that resulted in the opposition scoring? And for the record three of the six goals were the results of the yoof squad mistakes: Tilio, Bos and Popovic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 (edited) 2 hours ago, NewConvert said: Is Leckie getting more man handled than usual or is it something that I just noticed? Also, was that Bos' second hospital pass that resulted in the opposition scoring? And for the record three of the six goals were the results of the yoof squad mistakes: Tilio, Bos and Popovic. No not at all, that’s his style of play. Rather than having a book full of tricks, he looks for the defenders and tries to roll himself pass them. Yes Bos had something similar against Adelaide last season but you might be thinking of Jenkinson last season at home - for some reason we have these big errors always against Adelaide. Leckies goal was also a goalkeeper error, that ball should have never gone in. Edited January 29 by Mr MO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughJass Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 11 hours ago, jw1739 said: We are becoming painfully predictable in team selection and pattern of play. It's agonising to watch this tippy-tappy crap where we knock the ball around sideways and backwards before losing it. Contrast Adelaide who took 2-3 passes to move from one end of the field to the other. There's a growing tendency for our players to dwell on the ball and telegraph their passes, and we are also woefully shot-shy. Yep very frustrating what does my head in is when we break get to the box and stop....3 passes later its good and lam passing it around between them allowing the other team to get everyone behind funny how leckie shoots and gets a goal keeper mistake but still can cause chaos 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 29 Author Report Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, NewConvert said: Also, was that Bos' second hospital pass that resulted in the opposition scoring? Yes. It was. But the other defender involved (Good?) was flatfooted. But it's more than just individuals. If you keep playing our style, with so many sideways and backwards passes, eventually one of them is going to miss their target. Then you are in trouble. That is why I say that unless we change the style, or at least vary it, we are going to get these "mistakes." And in attack we spend so many passes trying to line up the perfect scoring opportunity that the defence moves up, we then have a couple of players offside, so we have to pass backwards to try to set up the opportunity again. Adelaide played this tactic very well yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 29 Author Report Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Mr MO said: No not at all, that’s his style of play. Rather than having a book full of tricks, he looks for the defenders and tries to roll himself pass them. Absolutely. What we might call a "bullocking" style. I always feel that he's about to fall over the ball as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: Absolutely. What we might call a "bullocking" style. I always feel that he's about to fall over the ball as well. Yes I get that feeling too, when he first arrived I was like man “why is nearly tripping over with the ball” now I’m content with his style of play. But hey it works! Edited January 30 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jovan Posted January 30 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 30 Interesting how people see the game differently. Our entire game is based on moving the ball and therefore moving the opposition until we have an overload and ultimately it being at the back post 5 yards out. Does it always work? No, but we still had 5 or 6 big chances. Adelaide IMO created almost none, first goal was a terrible error by Tilio losing his feet and the ball in the first minute, he never recovered for the rest of his match. Bos played an atrocious waste high ball across the box that at no level is acceptable, and to his credit he got over it and saved the game. The other goal came from a set piece that we should really do better. Other than that what did they offer. We played them off the park. Should we be more direct, probably not, we try and play through teams and IMO successfully. I genuinely feel last 3 draws are anomalies and the next 3 games will prove so. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 10 minutes ago, Jovan said: Interesting how people see the game differently. Our entire game is based on moving the ball and therefore moving the opposition until we have an overload and ultimately it being at the back post 5 yards out. Does it always work? No, but we still had 5 or 6 big chances. Adelaide IMO created almost none, first goal was a terrible error by Tilio losing his feet and the ball in the first minute, he never recovered for the rest of his match. Bos played an atrocious waste high ball across the box that at no level is acceptable, and to his credit he got over it and saved the game. The other goal came from a set piece that we should really do better. Other than that what did they offer. We played them off the park. Should we be more direct, probably not, we try and play through teams and IMO successfully. I genuinely feel last 3 draws are anomalies and the next 3 games will prove so. Full agree, I have no big issues with the way we play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 2 hours ago, Mr MO said: Full agree, I have no big issues with the way we play. The problem isn't with our style of play; it's that we play it too predictably. We need to create different tactical problems for opponents that are more difficult for them to counter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rass Posted January 30 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 30 When you become the hunted, opposition teams will put in more effort trying to work you out. To Adelaide's credit yesterday, i thought they setup well to defend that wide, triangle passing we do to try and work into the box. They generally had an extra man going out wide to stop our overlap, which then slowed us up and forced us backwards. We're so good though that we still managed to get through that, especially towards the end there when Bos moved onto the wing to expose a visibly emotionally shaken Lopez. Our challenge is to change up ourselves. There were times yesterday the centre channels opened up, so we could have utilised that area more effectively. Overall though, despite Adelaide setting up well, we still should have won purely on the chances created. Adelaide had what, 1 chance?.. and still managed to score 3! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, belaguttman said: The problem isn't with our style of play; it's that we play it too predictably. We need to create different tactical problems for opponents that are more difficult for them to counter Again I have no issues, we dominate and it’s much better to watch than under PK. Can’t win them all and certain the way we are playing that we are victorious come seasons end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 I would also add that although I think that City is the premier team, others are not too shabby either. And of course AU have proven to be a bogeyman for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 (edited) Agree with most of what has been said here. Barring the Brisbane game we have been the better team against wsw and Adelaide imo. Against wsw we just didn't convert our chances and Adelaide it was the same deal (combined with two of the worst defensive howlers I've seen for awhile). If you don't believe me go and have a look at the shots and we've comfortably won that stat both of those games As spoken about a lot already, we are getting a little bit predictable when moving up the pitch. To fix this I think it's time to start Frenchy over berisha. Frenchy will offer a little bit more imo as berisha has been underwhelming after a blistering start. Frenchy also has the touch and pace to recieve the ball in the middle of the field and be dangerous with it. Edited January 30 by kingofhearts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 36 minutes ago, kingofhearts said: Agree with most of what has been said here. Barring the Brisbane game we have been the better team against wsw and Adelaide imo. Against wsw we just didn't convert our chances and Adelaide it was the same deal (combined with two of the worst defensive howlers I've seen for awhile). If you don't believe me go and have a look at the shots and we've comfortably won the stat both of those games As spoken about a lot already, we are the a little bit predictable as we are moving up the field. To fix this I think it's time to start Frenchy over berisha. Frenchy will offer a little bit more imo as berisha has been underwhelming after a blistering start. Frenchy also has the touch and pace to recieve the ball in the middle of the field and be dangerous with it. But is Beringuer fit enough to start a game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, NewConvert said: But is Beringuer fit enough to start a game? He's only played 2 games since being back but I reckon 60 minutes of frenchy will offer us more than what berisha is giving us now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 22 minutes ago, kingofhearts said: He's only played 2 games since being back but I reckon 60 minutes of frenchy will offer us more than what berisha is giving us now. But not defensively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 30 Author Report Share Posted January 30 9 hours ago, kingofhearts said: He's only played 2 games since being back but I reckon 60 minutes of frenchy will offer us more than what berisha is giving us now. Ooh. That's a bold statement. Not sure myself. IMO the issue is not so much the personnel but that we're too predictable. I agree that Berisha hasn't given the return that perhaps we expected, but as @Mr MO says, Berenguer doesn't offer much defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 We are absolutely bossing teams ... and the only strategy teams have against us at the moment is the old bus ... If Aiden O'Neil could shoot we'd have won the last 3, even with the errors against Adelaide. Set piece defending needs to be better, but Goodwin has a wicked kick on him, and that's hard for any team to defend ... This flat spot of draws will turn around soon and I am hoping for some big number wins in the coming weeks. Thinking back to the Heart days when we hoped for a result, its awesome to support a team that is the benchmark 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Hack Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 20 minutes ago, Torn Asunder said: We are absolutely bossing teams ... and the only strategy teams have against us at the moment is the old bus ... If Aiden O'Neil could shoot we'd have won the last 3, even with the errors against Adelaide. Set piece defending needs to be better, but Goodwin has a wicked kick on him, and that's hard for any team to defend ... This flat spot of draws will turn around soon and I am hoping for some big number wins in the coming weeks. Thinking back to the Heart days when we hoped for a result, its awesome to support a team that is the benchmark Agree. Not to mention both Maclaren and VDV missing sitters in the box v Adelaide which they normally would have taken and Good's header and Nabbout's shot being very close. They were really gifted two goals from basic errors that normally would'nt occur. As Rado said in his comments mistakes happen. As long as you learn from them and don't repeat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, Le Hack said: Agree. Not to mention both Maclaren and VDV missing sitters in the box v Adelaide which they normally would have taken and Good's header and Nabbout's shot being very close. They were really gifted two goals from basic errors that normally would'nt occur. As Rado said in his comments mistakes happen. As long as you learn from them and don't repeat Yes, that's why it was a frustrating game: firstly, falling behind with 3 mistakes; secondly, we had more than enough chances to win the game. Our shot conversion rate has been poor the last two seasons 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jw1739 Posted January 31 Author Report Share Posted January 31 11 minutes ago, belaguttman said: Our shot conversion rate has been poor the last two seasons This is the fundamental problem, and it is really independent of personnel and playing style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Torn Asunder said: We are absolutely bossing teams ... and the only strategy teams have against us at the moment is the old bus ... If Aiden O'Neil could shoot we'd have won the last 3, even with the errors against Adelaide. Set piece defending needs to be better, but Goodwin has a wicked kick on him, and that's hard for any team to defend ... This flat spot of draws will turn around soon and I am hoping for some big number wins in the coming weeks. Thinking back to the Heart days when we hoped for a result, its awesome to support a team that is the benchmark About the shooting, VDV, Berisha, Tilio and Nabbout are perhaps even poorer. I know VDV was louded for his composure against WSW, he gets by far the most shots with very little on target. 1 hour ago, Le Hack said: Agree. Not to mention both Maclaren and VDV missing sitters in the box v Adelaide which they normally would have taken and Good's header and Nabbout's shot being very close. They were really gifted two goals from basic errors that normally would'nt occur. As Rado said in his comments mistakes happen. As long as you learn from them and don't repeat Nabbout was offside by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 5 hours ago, jw1739 said: Ooh. That's a bold statement. Not sure myself. IMO the issue is not so much the personnel but that we're too predictable. I agree that Berisha hasn't given the return that perhaps we expected, but as @Mr MO says, Berenguer doesn't offer much defensively. I personally think it's a bit of an overreaction to suggest Berisha has not given us that return. I reckon his workrate and smarts have made him an important member of a midfield that is really balanced and humming atm. Perhaps he's guilty of trying too hard at times, but his passion can't be argued. I reckon he's doing exactly what the coaches have asked from him. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post malloy Posted January 31 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 31 30 minutes ago, rass said: I personally think it's a bit of an overreaction to suggest Berisha has not given us that return. I reckon his workrate and smarts have made him an important member of a midfield that is really balanced and humming atm. Perhaps he's guilty of trying too hard at times, but his passion can't be argued. I reckon he's doing exactly what the coaches have asked from him. IMO, to get the best out of Berisha we need an out and out number 9 who will look to collect the ball and lay it off. The issue becomes how do you determine where the point is that you sacrifice one of your best players (JMac) for the overall good of the team. Its hard to ascertain how much the team would improve by replacing Jmac with a forward more suited to our desired style. Not to mention it would be very,very hard to justify to fans media etc. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 31 Author Report Share Posted January 31 38 minutes ago, malloy said: IMO, to get the best out of Berisha we need an out and out number 9 who will look to collect the ball and lay it off. The issue becomes how do you determine where the point is that you sacrifice one of your best players (JMac) for the overall good of the team. Its hard to ascertain how much the team would improve by replacing Jmac with a forward more suited to our desired style. Not to mention it would be very,very hard to justify to fans media etc. We don't have enough matches to experiment, unlike many overseas clubs who have more league matches and also other competitions in which they participate. But I don't think that any of this discussion can justify the wastage of the chances that we create. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 11 minutes ago, jw1739 said: We don't have enough matches to experiment, unlike many overseas clubs who have more league matches and also other competitions in which they participate. But I don't think that any of this discussion can justify the wastage of the chances that we create. I think if we were going to sacrifice Jmac, it would have to be a bite the bullet decision to move him on, hence my comment regarding it being very hard to justify. You would likely need to move him on to free up his marquee spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 This is crazy talk. To suggest we "sacrifice" JMAC is complete nonsense. Based on what and replace him with who? The bloke is on target to break records. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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