Torn Asunder Posted November 22, 2022 Report Share Posted November 22, 2022 Couldn't see a topic for this ... so here is one I predicted a 4 nil loss to France so pleased we at least scored one. Mbappe was in beast mode, Nathaniel needed some more cover Thought Arnold could have brought on our young attacking options a bit earlier to try and help us get forward a bit more, but the truth (reality) is Framce is 3 classes above and could have scored 8 Just as a note, the following players that played day have all had time at Melbourne City (Heart) Behich (our best player today), Goodwin, Leckie, McGree, Mooy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 22, 2022 Report Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Torn Asunder said: Couldn't see a topic for this ... so here is one I predicted a 4 nil loss to France so pleased we at least scored one. Mbappe was in beast mode, Nathaniel needed some more cover Thought Arnold could have brought on our young attacking options a bit earlier to try and help us get forward a bit more, but the truth (reality) is Framce is 3 classes above and could have scored 8 Just as a note, the following players that played day have all had time at Melbourne City (Heart) Behich (our best player today), Goodwin, Leckie, McGree, Mooy Plus Atkinson of course. I don't think we'll ever see "caution to the winds" stuff from Arnie, but with Denmark and Tunisia to come why not just give the younger players their chance now. We won't win by being defensive. Edited November 22, 2022 by jw1739 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted November 22, 2022 Report Share Posted November 22, 2022 Man, our approach to the game in that second half was morbid. Poor Atkinson had a shocker but he'll be all the better for playing against one of the world's very best players in Mbappe. Big ups to Leckie with the assist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Aardvark Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 We were good early obviously, but in classic Arnold style we fell back so quickly and easily and struggled to take the game to France in any meaningful manner. France were great, and we were horribly outclassed, but we deserved what we got to a degree with our inability to hit back. Atkinson struggled, but he was against Mbappe, so no surprises there, and his defensive side has never been his strength anyway. Unsure what Dengs pace is like but he may have been better suited and save Atkinson for slightly weaker opponents where he can carry the ball more. I thought Duke was good early but by the 40th minute I was sick of his half hearted press attempts with exasperated arms out. Thought Behich was clearly our best, CB pairing was mostly good, Irvine was decent and Mooy was fine early but struggled in the second half. Our inability to retain the ball or move constructively meant our attackers were basically redundant from the 20th minute onwards, and while the likes of Cummings, Kuol and Mabil didn't seem to offer much I'm unsure if they stood a chance anyway. Goal was sweet though, all three players involved nailed their moments. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 It was like as soon as we scored, we retreated into a shell and camped around the box. We gave all the initiative to France, who, of course, was grateful. It was a worse performance that we put in against France in the previous World Cup match 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted November 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 I felt for Nathaniel ... he was brutally exposed ... Mbappe is a beast of a player. One on one, even at Champions League level he tears players apart. Arnie's plan of having an inexperienced young defender on him was a sheep to the lions scenario. France very quickly worked out how to completely annihilate us all over the park. I reckon Kewell was on the money, we needed to be a bit more aggressive at times, but this would have meant making subs much earlier. 3 at the back with two wing backs may have worked better and given us more cover ... Tilio should have got some minutes Without sounding dire, I doubt we will win a game this cup. Tunisia will overpower us, and we will have no answer for Eriksen. To me, that is where Football Australia fucked up - they should have brought in a new manager (someone with serious credentials) and instructed them to use it as a platform for next world cup, rather than a regression in result from the last cup 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Aardvark Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Torn Asunder said: they should have brought in a new manager (someone with serious credentials) and instructed them to use it as a platform for next world cup, rather than a regression in result from the last cup I'm not sure that isn't what we are doing. Probably over half the squad will still be around and in their prime come the next one. The keeper group should have one up and comer in it (although Gauci and Glover are the best candidates and it's hard to justify picking either at this stage), but aside from them the only ones who won't be around are Behich, Wright, Mooy, Leckie and Duke. Think it'd be a hard sell to get a manager in for a 5 year period who is actually good and also won't stuff up somewhere along the way and need a reset. Arnold has basically covered our rebuild period, now we should be looking out for a 3 year manager to build us up to the next one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 Marcelo Bielsa? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 5 hours ago, NewConvert said: Marcelo Bielsa? He can take over the Socceroos from Arnold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 19 hours ago, The Aardvark said: I'm not sure that isn't what we are doing. Probably over half the squad will still be around and in their prime come the next one. The keeper group should have one up and comer in it (although Gauci and Glover are the best candidates and it's hard to justify picking either at this stage), but aside from them the only ones who won't be around are Behich, Wright, Mooy, Leckie and Duke. Think it'd be a hard sell to get a manager in for a 5 year period who is actually good and also won't stuff up somewhere along the way and need a reset. Arnold has basically covered our rebuild period, now we should be looking out for a 3 year manager to build us up to the next one. I don't think that we need to do a lot different. Arnie is Arnie, and IMO he's always coached in the same way. He always seems to me to be the "we're the underdog, tough as a group, backs to the wall, defend to the death" type of manager - and there's nothing wrong with that. At times that's what you need. But it's noticeable, I think, that in in this World Cup Finals series so far the surprises - and quite a few already - are coming from the teams that are committed to attack and determined to take it up to their more-fancied opponents. Probably Arnie can't change his style so we're looking at a new manager. But we don't need to throw away everything. Just change our mindset and focus on free-flowing football and IMO that's what the game needs in Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 24, 2022 Report Share Posted November 24, 2022 26 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Arnie is Arnie, and IMO he's always coached in the same way. He always seems to me to be the "we're the underdog, tough as a group, backs to the wall, defend to the death" type of manager - and there's nothing wrong with that. I think that attitude contributed to our qualifying difficulties, contributing to both the team mentality and his stodgy coaching. It also becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy in a tournament. He's the anti-Ange. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted November 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2022 We needed a new manager just for the tournament. Someone with some genuine international credibility. Its worked in the past and would be better than Arnold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 FUCKING GET INNNNN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) Great win. Had me riveted to the couch right to the final whistle. Ryan was superb. Love the kit too. Edited November 26, 2022 by jw1739 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 Well, if there was one manager that knows how to park the bus, it's Arnie😂 A very important win: Leckie, Mooy, Behich and Souter were immense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 Fuck that was a wild night at fed square 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 10 hours ago, belaguttman said: Well, if there was one manager that knows how to park the bus, it's Arnie😂 A very important win: Leckie, Mooy, Behich and Souter were immense. The Heart/City Scholars and Old Boys Club had a few representatives last night - Goodwin, McGree, Jmac, Leckie, Mooy and Aziz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted November 27, 2022 Report Share Posted November 27, 2022 Can we sneak a draw against Denmark? Just need to play a back 8 and we'll be fine dw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 27, 2022 Report Share Posted November 27, 2022 Although it's unlikely, if Tunisia happen to beat France then a draw will not be enough. The two remaining matches are taking place simultaneously, so it's going to be a tense night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 27, 2022 Report Share Posted November 27, 2022 3 hours ago, kingofhearts said: Can we sneak a draw against Denmark? Just need to play a back 8 and we'll be fine dw No, Denmark has a better goal difference and would then finish second. If that happened and Tunisia smashed France we would still finish fourth! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bt50 Posted November 27, 2022 Report Share Posted November 27, 2022 Well barring a Tunisian win over France, a draw against the Danes sees us through to the Round of 16. I think the game in Australia will get a significant shot in the arm from the Tunisian win anyway, but geez theres some real potential to lay some significant foundations if we can progress here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 27, 2022 Report Share Posted November 27, 2022 Several of the Groups are going down to the wire with these "shock" results. IMO this is the best Finals for a long time. Great for game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 27, 2022 Report Share Posted November 27, 2022 It's a tournament played in the middle of the season, so many more first choices players seem to be unavailable because of injury, and teams have only had one week together to prepare, unlike the usual one month. We can see many teams aren't ready. I also think that the hot and humid Qatar weather is taking a toll, not necessarily during the match, but it does affect training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 5 hours ago, belaguttman said: It's a tournament played in the middle of the season, so many more first choices players seem to be unavailable because of injury, and teams have only had one week together to prepare, unlike the usual one month. We can see many teams aren't ready. I also think that the hot and humid Qatar weather is taking a toll, not necessarily during the match, but it does affect training. Agree, and i think its also a reason the Asian teams are doing a bit better than usual. Most other teams don't get to play in conditions like these that often, albeit its in conditions of the year that are far cooler than what you cop throughout April to September, and the asian teams are much more used to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 20 hours ago, bt50 said: Agree, and i think its also a reason the Asian teams are doing a bit better than usual. Most other teams don't get to play in conditions like these that often, albeit its in conditions of the year that are far cooler than what you cop throughout April to September, and the asian teams are much more used to it. Yep, generally speaking weather is always a leveller. Extreme wet,wind, heat generally makes it more of a battle and and disadvantages the more technical teams. We have a genuine chance to progress and to me that's a huge achievement considering the playing stock, ( not being disrespectful) but none of the players you could consider top level. Credit to the collective and Credit to coaching staff in particular Arnie who I don't rate as a national coach but has exceeded my expectations. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Jovan said: Arnie who I don't rate as a national coach but has exceeded my expectations. Arnold always excels at 'backs to the wall, we are underdogs' situations. That's how strength as a coach, but also his weakness as this mentality contributes to the same outcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 On 28/11/2022 at 4:08 PM, bt50 said: Agree, and i think its also a reason the Asian teams are doing a bit better than usual. Most other teams don't get to play in conditions like these that often, albeit its in conditions of the year that are far cooler than what you cop throughout April to September, and the asian teams are much more used to it. I think it's more than that. IMO we're seeing a renaissance of exciting and free-flowing football coming from the African and Asian teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 That was hard!!! Flicked over to see Tunisia vs France and managed to see the equaliser. I am not a fan of parking the bus but it was effective tonight. Great to see Leckie score. I wonder whether he will be offered overseas contract now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 Fuck I think I nearly passed out 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 Tears of joy! Through to the knock outs baby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 Leckie has the world's biggest cock confirmed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 Fantastic result. Very disappointed that France fielded the side that they did. Could so easily have resulted in us not going through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Fantastic result. Very disappointed that France fielded the side that they did. Could so easily have resulted in us not going through. Submarine revenge 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 32 minutes ago, belaguttman said: Submarine revenge I think they should be heavily fined. The final matches are played simultaneously to try and stop matches such as the infamous Germany-Austria 0-0 draw, but now we have this sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted December 1, 2022 Report Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: I think they should be heavily fined. The final matches are played simultaneously to try and stop matches such as the infamous Germany-Austria 0-0 draw, but now we have this sort of thing. The best way to ensure that we went through was to do what we did: win. That made other results irrelevant; the French will do whatever they think is in their own best interests in the tournament, as they should be doing 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted December 1, 2022 Report Share Posted December 1, 2022 14 minutes ago, belaguttman said: The best way to ensure that we went through was to do what we did: win. That made other results irrelevant; the French will do whatever they think is in their own best interests in the tournament, as they should be doing Agree with this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 3, 2022 Report Share Posted December 3, 2022 A fantastic effort and achievement by everyone involved in the whole campaign, not just the Finals Series. All can hold their heads high and be proud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted December 4, 2022 Report Share Posted December 4, 2022 I'm left a little frustrated, it's a game we could have won 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted December 4, 2022 Report Share Posted December 4, 2022 6 hours ago, belaguttman said: I'm left a little frustrated, it's a game we could have won If Kuol had somehow managed a goal (and I don't blame him) then I thought that in extra time the Socceroos would have overrun them. Argentina were visibly knackered. None the less a $1.15B vs a $60M team it was a great go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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