playmaker Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, KSK_47 said: Fuck me dead. I have had this same conversation every year for the past seven years now. No matter the players, jvs teams always show the same fundamental flaws. Making excuses for a coach that makes the same errors again and again seems more counterproductive to me. We are talking about a match between men and boys where any tactic would have succombed to critical player error which you would expect in an game like this. As for JVS's tactics, well, i totally agree with you, he is tactically weak in this league, IMO I think a 442 or 541 defensive counter would be much better suited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 24 minutes ago, bt50 said: Yes, the one with the hanky on his head... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Just now, playmaker said: We are talking about a match between men and boys where any tactic would have succombed to critical player error which you would expect in an game like this. As for JVS's tactics, well, i totally agree with you, he is tactically weak in this league, IMO I think a 442 or 541 defensive counter would be much better suited. It was not player critical error. bt50 said we were left vulnerable and unorganized numerous times in the midfield every time we lost possession. That is a tactical problem. Like is said ealier regardless of the squad or how important the game is, condensing 8 goals in 2 games is very worrying. Particularly when you look at how clueless we have been at the back in the ffa cup games too. Anyway man. I cant have this "its just preseason" conversation again. I am so tired of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 1 minute ago, playmaker said: We are talking about a match between men and boys where any tactic would have succombed to critical player error which you would expect in an game like this. As for JVS's tactics, well, i totally agree with you, he is tactically weak in this league, IMO I think a 442 or 541 defensive counter would be much better suited. And so what better time to try that than today? Bouzanis, Retre, Caceres, Tongyik, Muscat are all senior squad players who can be expected to have to take their place in the firsts at some point during the season. So try something different today, instead of the same old, same old. Two pre-season wins against A-League opposition in seven pre-seasons, and no silverware in the A-League or FFA Cup, not even a Grand Final says it all to me. Today was of no purpose whatsoever in terms of preparation for Wednesday's match. All we've done is provide shooting practice for Newcastle, a club in disarray with a stand-in coach. They are laughing all the way back to the Hunter tonight. And Popovic & Co. won't lose any sleep either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, jw1739 said: And so what better time to try that than today? Bouzanis, Retre, Caceres, Tongyik, Muscat are all senior squad players who can be expected to have to take their place in the firsts at some point during the season. So try something different today, instead of the same old, same old. Two pre-season wins against A-League opposition in seven pre-seasons, and no silverware in the A-League or FFA Cup, not even a Grand Final says it all to me. Today was of no purpose whatsoever in terms of preparation for Wednesday's match. All we've done is provide shooting practice for Newcastle, a club in disarray with a stand-in coach. They are laughing all the way back to the Hunter tonight. And Popovic & Co. won't lose any sleep either. But if you look at the team list now you can see that recuitment was targeted around JVS's 433, flat 442 or 532 flank attack type system, rather than trying to play players out of position like last season where we were 1 game from the final. Not saying it means success, but i thinks JVS's would have been saying that this is the system he wants to use and he needs the right players. CFG now has given him the players and he knows he has to deliver success. If things go pear shaped he will be out by round 5. A loss next week will be a significant nail in his coaching coffin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 So with Caceres playing today, does that mean Brandan will play a CAM type role on Wednesday? Hope so... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 26 minutes ago, rass said: So with Caceres playing today, does that mean Brandan will play a CAM type role on Wednesday? Hope so... My guess for Wednesday is : Sorensen Rose Chapman Jakobsen Brandan Kilkenny Brattan Malik Kamau Cahill Fornaroli Subs Bouzanis Fitz Caceres Retre Muscat Or Sorensen Chapman Malik Jakobsen Rose Brattan Kilkenny Cahill Kamau Fornaroli Fitzgerald Subs Bouzanis Caceres Retre Brandan Muscat Potentially Jakobsen doesnt play or comes off the bench but i think they'll throw him in 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 or possibly Sorensen Chapman Malik Jakobsen Rose Kamau Brattan Kilkenny Brandan Cahill Fornaroli Subs Bouzanis Caceres Muscat Fitzgerald Retre/Colazo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 1 minute ago, playmaker said: or possibly Sorensen Chapman Malik Jakobsen Rose Kamau Brattan Kilkenny Brandan Cahill Fornaroli Subs Bouzanis Caceres Muscat Fitzgerald Retre/Colazo Fuck i am not looking forward to watching Malik play another game at CB when he is clearly a DM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Ok some positives for me was a lot of young guys got to any against aleague opposition. Another positive was in the second half when we played a complete youth line up we conceded 2 goals, same as the first. We also created some of our best opportunities in the second half and should have easily had two goals. Negatives were regardless of who we put on the pitch, senior or youth, the same frailties occur when we concede. When we lose the ball we don't close down the opposition player quick enough, resulting in a quick release usually to our exposed wings and ending in a goal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falastur Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 6 hours ago, playmaker said: If things go pear shaped he will be out by round 5. If the stories are true about CFG not wanting to pull the trigger because of his termination fee, can we expect round 5 to be any different? :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elieanid Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Should be new our club song, I may or may not be kidding........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 3 hours ago, Falastur said: If the stories are true about CFG not wanting to pull the trigger because of his termination fee, can we expect round 5 to be any different? :/ I agree that i doubt theyd pull the trigger that early, but once it gets to midseason, your termination fee is essentially halved so i think it becomes a factor as the season wears on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) I find it pretty funny that people are freaking out about our npl team, who basically turned up, started their warm up and then played a game lost to a full strength a league team (who arrived the day before) 4-0 Edited September 18, 2016 by Dylan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 1 hour ago, bt50 said: I agree that i doubt theyd pull the trigger that early, but once it gets to midseason, your termination fee is essentially halved so i think it becomes a factor as the season wears on. I wish CFG buy that Cape Town club sooner rather then later so they can send JVS there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Dylan said: I find it pretty funny that people are freaking out about our npl team, who basically turned up, started their warm up and then played a game lost to a full strength a league team (who arrived the day before) 4-0 I think the Phoenix game also has set the tone of pessimism. I'm in the negative corner thinking the worst but really only because of past seasons and recent pre season results. So everything for me hinges on Wednesday. If we dish up the same as previous years then my expectations for the season will be zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 11 minutes ago, Jovan said: I think the Phoenix game also has set the tone of pessimism. I'm in the negative corner thinking the worst but really only because of past seasons and recent pre season results. So everything for me hinges on Wednesday. If we dish up the same as previous years then my expectations for the season will be zero. There's definitely cause for negativity following the Nix result, the scale of that depends on the individual. Anyone getting worked up over yesterdays result needs a reality check tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) 17 minutes ago, bt50 said: There's definitely cause for negativity following the Nix result, the scale of that depends on the individual. Anyone getting worked up over yesterdays result needs a reality check tho. Well nix only won against CCM 1-0 yesterday and from what I could tell it was a scrappy lucky goal. Plus with the Nix game. We were there for a week doing hard double sessions in the heat leading up to the game, and according to reports, the FNQ twitter account said that the team looked sluggish probably because of all the work during the week. Oh wait, hang on I better stop I am making excuses. Edited September 18, 2016 by Dylan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 6 minutes ago, Dylan said: Well nix only won against CCM 1-0 yesterday and from what I could tell it was a scrappy lucky goal. Plus with the Nix game. We were there for a week doing hard double sessions in the heat leading up to the game, and according to reports, the FNQ twitter account said that the team looked sluggish probably because of all the work during the week. Oh wait, hang on I better stop I am making excuses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 6 minutes ago, Dylan said: Plus with the Nix game. We were there for a week doing hard double sessions in the heat leading up to the game, and according to reports, the FNQ twitter account said that the team looked sluggish probably because of all the work during the week. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 As KSK says, just fed-up with hearing the same old excuses for the seventh pre-season in a row and for the seventh different squad and wherever we play and under whatever different conditions. It's all bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) There's plenty of reasons to be fed-up with what we've been served during the existence of this club (these clubs if you choose to see it that way), but having a meltdown over a game where we played basically an NPL side against a full strength A-League team seems like a bit much for me. Edited September 18, 2016 by Embee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 Lucky we didn't put an under 15s side on and get smashed 20-0. Imagine the outcry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 A few of the apologists need to look at the pre season in it's entirety and not just the Newcastle game. We have copped goals in every game against varying levels of opponents. Every game has a book full of reasons why we played a paticular way but for me I'm sick of hearing the same excuses. I'm holding off until Wednesday to see exactly where we at but so far there has been nothing to prove we are any better than any other season. Talking Wednesday we will be lucky to get 5k. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 50 minutes ago, Jovan said: A few of the apologists need to look at the pre season in it's entirety and not just the Newcastle game. We have copped goals in every game against varying levels of opponents. Every game has a book full of reasons why we played a paticular way but for me I'm sick of hearing the same excuses. I'm holding off until Wednesday to see exactly where we at but so far there has been nothing to prove we are any better than any other season. Talking Wednesday we will be lucky to get 5k. There are no apologists because there is nothing to apologise for, as you are ignoring that we won the FFA cup matches (the matches that mattered) with a mish mash of unprepared players that had no experience playing with each other and many players being in the club for a month or less. By all accounts it's been a successful preseason up to now given that success is measured by results in matches that actually count for something. Practice matches are an opportunity for the club to test and measure different things on the pitch to provide data that can be analysed and used as training tools for all concerned. The result itself does not matter so much, as in a practice match allows a lot of flexibility to try things you wouldn't dare try in a match the counts. But with JVS, his record shows he may not use this logic so I understand ur concerns even though I have a feeling he may not be the main person pushing the buttons in the strategy and tactics coaching department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 17 minutes ago, playmaker said: There are no apologists because there is nothing to apologise for, as you are ignoring that we won the FFA cup matches (the matches that mattered) with a mish mash of unprepared players that had no experience playing with each other and many players being in the club for a month or less. By all accounts it's been a successful preseason up to now given that success is measured by results in matches that actually count for something. Practice matches are an opportunity for the club to test and measure different things on the pitch to provide data that can be analysed and used as training tools for all concerned. The result itself does not matter so much, as in a practice match allows a lot of flexibility to try things you wouldn't dare try in a match the counts. But with JVS, his record shows he may not use this logic so I understand ur concerns even though I have a feeling he may not be the main person pushing the buttons in the strategy and tactics coaching department. LOL - Where is the feeling coming from... your loins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 16 minutes ago, playmaker said: There are no apologists because there is nothing to apologise for, as you are ignoring that we won the FFA cup matches (the matches that mattered) with a mish mash of unprepared players that had no experience playing with each other and many players being in the club for a month or less. By all accounts it's been a successful preseason up to now given that success is measured by results in matches that actually count for something. Practice matches are an opportunity for the club to test and measure different things on the pitch to provide data that can be analysed and used as training tools for all concerned. The result itself does not matter so much, as in a practice match allows a lot of flexibility to try things you wouldn't dare try in a match the counts. But with JVS, his record shows he may not use this logic so I understand ur concerns even though I have a feeling he may not be the main person pushing the buttons in the strategy and tactics coaching department. With the part highlighted in bold who in the coaching department is pushing the buttons? We've been through a number of assistant coaches, with very similar performances. If the pattern of tactics is similar every time why would you think its anyone other than JVS. 2 minutes ago, cadete said: LOL - Where is the feeling coming from... your loins? Ease up Det. Thats below the belt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 38 minutes ago, playmaker said: There are no apologists because there is nothing to apologise for, as you are ignoring that we won the FFA cup matches (the matches that mattered) with a mish mash of unprepared players that had no experience playing with each other and many players being in the club for a month or less. By all accounts it's been a successful preseason up to now given that success is measured by results in matches that actually count for something. Practice matches are an opportunity for the club to test and measure different things on the pitch to provide data that can be analysed and used as training tools for all concerned. The result itself does not matter so much, as in a practice match allows a lot of flexibility to try things you wouldn't dare try in a match the counts. But with JVS, his record shows he may not use this logic so I understand ur concerns even though I have a feeling he may not be the main person pushing the buttons in the strategy and tactics coaching department. The first 1, 2 or 3 practice matches are where you test things. After that its match practice, getting the players used to the system(s) they will be playing when the season and getting used to who they will be playing with. So starts so that they are not still learning all these things after the season has started (like our players do every season). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 11 minutes ago, Deeming said: The first 1, 2 or 3 practice matches are where you test things. After that its match practice, getting the players used to the system(s) they will be playing when the season and getting used to who they will be playing with. So starts so that they are not still learning all these things after the season has started (like our players do every season). Look at the big picture man! We beat a few semi professional clubs in the ffa cup! Why would you be worried that our defence is still a complete shambles?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 56 minutes ago, cadete said: LOL - Where is the feeling coming from... your loins? It's more to do with why Valkanis got recruited. But I won't go into my logical insights as it may be beyond the mental capacity of many people like yourself and cause further short circuits in your limbic system, and we can't have that can we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 1 minute ago, playmaker said: It's more to do with why Valkanis got recruited. But I won't go into my logical insights as it may be beyond the mental capacity of many people like yourself and cause further short circuits in your limbic system, and we can't have that can we. Your post reminds of those kids who we used call "Tryhard" in Primary School... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 1 minute ago, cadete said: Your post reminds of those kids who we used call "Tryhard" in Primary School... You remind me of the primary school bully that achieved nothing in life. Oh yeah sorry, moderator. Forgive me and have mercy as you are the almighty one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 20 minutes ago, playmaker said: It's more to do with why Valkanis got recruited. But I won't go into my logical insights as it may be beyond the mental capacity of many people like yourself and cause further short circuits in your limbic system, and we can't have that can we. Valkanis will end up like all our previous assistants that come in with pedigree and talent and up where? Although Milicic is probably the exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexxxandro Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 Some of us have been supporting this team since the very first game under JVS back in 1893... And are simply over it. Over any excuses whatsoever (even when there are valid ones). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) 30 minutes ago, playmaker said: You remind me of the primary school bully that achieved nothing in life. Oh yeah sorry, moderator. Forgive me and have mercy as you are the almighty one. I have not used my Moderator Powers since well before MHFC died and even then it was to delete something beyond Anti-Semitic... Sorry to hear you were bullied at school, but TBH that does not surprise me. Edited September 19, 2016 by cadete 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 2 hours ago, n i k o said: With the part highlighted in bold who in the coaching department is pushing the buttons? We've been through a number of assistant coaches, with very similar performances. If the pattern of tactics is similar every time why would you think its anyone other than JVS. Master tactician Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 I didn't watch the game as I'm away but what I read disturbs me: I can accept that a team of junior players are unlikely to win but they are coached to play the same way as the starting XI and the continuing pattern of concession after turning over the ball playing the first pass out of defence or in midfield is an ongoing issue under JVS. The team is committed to fully attack in transition and provides little defensive structure. This isn't an issue if we can retain possession but we never can. Other teams understand this of course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Alexxxandro said: Some of us have been supporting this team since the very first game under JVS back in 1893... And are simply over it. Over any excuses whatsoever (even when there are valid ones). Dickety? Highly dubious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 9 minutes ago, KSK_47 said: Dickety? Highly dubious! I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 The pre-season argument should be resolved in tomorrow's Cup match against WSW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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