hakz7 Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 Dembele left Celtic. Maybe Arzani can make the bench soon lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inchcolm Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 Watched Celtic (AEK Larnaca and Rangers) in Europa Cup . The Celtic star 19 year old winger Michael Johnston was outstanding. At this moment in time there are at least 4 wingers ahead of him. I hope he gets a chance. But a striker leaving will not improve his chances unless he play in that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illeatyourheart Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Just over $20 on DHGate. Don't mind if I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 4 hours ago, illeatyourheart said: Just over $20 on DHGate. Don't mind if I do. How long did the shipping take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illeatyourheart Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 minute ago, hakz7 said: How long did the shipping take? It shipped next day and then arrived 8 days later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Does the bag come off? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afif Adam Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 old firm derby tonight, Arzani not on bench Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inchcolm Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Watched the game, Celtic won easily. Their 19 year old star winger Johnston not on the bench either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 #wastehistime2k18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 I know it's early days but it really makes me wonder what happened here, surely NAC Breda or PEC Zwolle (all have CFG connections) in the Dutch league are much better options for loan spills aimed at football development, I get the feeling he got auctioned off to the highest loan bidder. Of course for his development it would have been much better to stay another year in Australia. I understand that CFG had to pull the trigger & act quick, because other clubs where getting really serious in putting money down for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Mr MO said: I know it's early days but it really makes me wonder what happened here, surely NAC Breda or PEC Zwolle (all have CFG connections) in the Dutch league are much better options for loan spills aimed at football development, I get the feeling he got auctioned off to the highest loan bidder. Of course for his development it would have been much better to stay another year in Australia. I understand that CFG had to pull the trigger & act quick, because other clubs where getting really serious in putting money down for him. I'm no massive SPL fanboy but has anyone actually considered maybe Arzani chose to go to Celtic? Now I don't know if Zwolle or Breda were bonafide offers but to choose Celtic ahead of those 2 in particular in a no brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 Time to stop fulminating about this. He's at Celtic. It's early days. We don't know the inside story. If it's not good for the development or value of their asset, CFG will pull the plug and find something else. End of, let it lie (with a sly wink to Vic and Bob). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris p Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jovan said: I'm no massive SPL fanboy but has anyone actually considered maybe Arzani chose to go to Celtic? Now I don't know if Zwolle or Breda were bonafide offers but to choose Celtic ahead of those 2 in particular in a no brainer. A classic case of ambition outweighing his talent (at least right now) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jovan said: I'm no massive SPL fanboy but has anyone actually considered maybe Arzani chose to go to Celtic? Now I don't know if Zwolle or Breda were bonafide offers but to choose Celtic ahead of those 2 in particular in a no brainer. Anyway, it's up to him, his agent, and Manchester City. He's no longer our player since he signed for Manchester. I think Manchester have agreements with clubs such as NAC Breda that limit the number of loan players at anyone time. AFAIK the link to Zwolle is only via JvS - nothing more formal than that. Also every import youth player at a club such as Breda will mean one less place for a local youth player. Those clubs are like us - they don't have unlimited cash to splash around. That's precisely the reason why in Australia we can't have youth visa players - we would choke off the development routes for locals. IMO while it would have been nice to have DA tearing it up for us this season, we've done well to receive a credit of A$2.3m from his transfer to Manchester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 Its been 2 weeks. He was hardly fit enough to play 90mins of HAL football, and had just been sitting on his arse for 1-2 months. Relax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffplz Posted September 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 Unrelated, is PEC Zwolle only connected to us thanks to JVS or does CFG have a stake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityBoyz Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, jeffplz said: Unrelated, is PEC Zwolle only connected to us thanks to JVS or does CFG have a stake? CFG are afffiliated with NAC Breda but PEC is just connected for JVS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 2 hours ago, haz said: Its been 2 weeks. He was hardly fit enough to play 90mins of HAL football, and had just been sitting on his arse for 1-2 months. Relax Did people really expect Arzani to walk into the starting XI at Celtic? Truly? To be honest I reckon if he can get in the side by January he’s done well. He’s not in the boondocks now and will have to get truly fit and deliver the goods game after game until the gaffer realises he’s got no choice but to play him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inchcolm Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 7 hours ago, haz said: Its been 2 weeks. He was hardly fit enough to play 90mins of HAL football, and had just been sitting on his arse for 1-2 months. Relax If the boy has any ambition to play at the top, he should not be sitting on his arse for 1-2 months. He should be keeping himself in peak condition in preparation for the opportunities that lie ahead. If he let his fitness drop so far, he has been badly advised or not advised at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Inchcolm said: If the boy has any ambition to play at the top, he should not be sitting on his arse for 1-2 months. He should be keeping himself in peak condition in preparation for the opportunities that lie ahead. If he let his fitness drop so far, he has been badly advised or not advised at all. You should tell your boy MOH this too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inchcolm Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, haz said: You should tell your boy MOH this too From past experience, I would wager that he one of the fittest at the Club. It will not be fitness that keeps out the team it will be something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, Inchcolm said: From past experience, I would wager that he one of the fittest at the Club. It will not be fitness that keeps out the team it will be something else. Maybe Waz just doesnt like Scots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 14 hours ago, Shahanga said: Did people really expect Arzani to walk into the starting XI at Celtic? Truly? To be honest I reckon if he can get in the side by January he’s done well. He’s not in the boondocks now and will have to get truly fit and deliver the goods game after game until the gaffer realises he’s got no choice but to play him. No, I don't think anyone did, and IMO that's the underlying issue being discussed here. He won't progress as a footballer unless he plays first team football, and going to a club where he's not likely to be the manager's pick for a starting position doesn't give the feeling that the right choice has been made. We have had the same issues here - what's the point of signing a visa player and then not having him in the starting XI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris p Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 Not in the final squad for Europa league. fuckin joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inchcolm Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 On 26/07/2018 at 10:07 AM, Inchcolm said: I have no idea where he will go but it will not be Celtic. They only loan multi million pound players who will improve their team e.g. Patrick Roberts, Odsonne Edouard etc. Also they have a good crop of youngsters coming through who they would rather develop. I said the above many weeks ago. I was wrong he did go to Celtic. But as the European squad suggests they will develop their own players first. He will struggle to get game time so he may return in January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 Joyce was very critical last season of how unfit he was when he came back from the young socceroos camp. I hope for his sake the same thing hasn't happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 Celtic manager Brendan Rodgers says a lack of conditioning is the reason why Daniel Arzani was left out of the Hoops' Europa League squad. Arzani has joined Celtic on a two-year loan from Manchester City. The Australian winger has yet to make his first-team debut for the Scottish side. Celtic had to submit its A and B squad lists to UEFA, a total of 43 players, and the 19-year-old missed the cut. "He still has a way to go to get up to speed but he has a two-year loan and we are going to support his development," Rodgers said. "His main priority is to build up his condition, he’s had half a development team game. The style we have is fast-paced and intense so players have to be at that level." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, n i k o said: Celtic manager Brendan Rodgers says a lack of conditioning is the reason why Daniel Arzani was left out of the Hoops' Europa League squad. Arzani has joined Celtic on a two-year loan from Manchester City. The Australian winger has yet to make his first-team debut for the Scottish side. Celtic had to submit its A and B squad lists to UEFA, a total of 43 players, and the 19-year-old missed the cut. "He still has a way to go to get up to speed but he has a two-year loan and we are going to support his development," Rodgers said. "His main priority is to build up his condition, he’s had half a development team game. The style we have is fast-paced and intense so players have to be at that level." Thats what happens when you sit on your arse playing Fortnite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, haz said: Thats what happens when you sit on your arse playing Fortnite Fucking fortnite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 21 minutes ago, haz said: Thats what happens when you sit on your arse playing Fortnite Disappointing, but the transfer and then the loan seemed to take longer than necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 The kid is 19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jovan said: The kid is 19. Interestingly I was having a similar conversation at work regarding some new starters. Alone I argued that once they are over 18 the law treats them as adults and so should we and therefore there is no reason as to why we should not load them with responsibilities. Yes there are matters that a more senior person should be in charge but I was against the current mollycoddling system that we have. By now they should have a clear sense of what is expected of them and the world does not wait for them to mature at a rate of their choosing. The same applies to Arzani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 54 minutes ago, NewConvert said: Interestingly I was having a similar conversation at work regarding some new starters. Alone I argued that once they are over 18 the law treats them as adults and so should we and therefore there is no reason as to why we should not load them with responsibilities. Yes there are matters that a more senior person should be in charge but I was against the current mollycoddling system that we have. By now they should have a clear sense of what is expected of them and the world does not wait for them to mature at a rate of their choosing. The same applies to Arzani. Mate thats horseshit. Anyone who has played knows that a 18/19 is way below even a 22/23 year old. In everyday life yes being 19 is old enough but on a soccer pitch it's very rare. Now just because he was able to match the seniors in A League was never going to guarantee a sniff in Europe. Obviously there are exceptions of amazing players becoming regular starters at 18/19 but they are the exception. So comparing life to elite level soccer just doesn't make sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 I just think that Arzani received very poor advice once he returned from Russia. Either that, or he didn't listen to the advice he was getting. He'd been told enough times by Joyce that what he was lacking was the capacity to go the full 95 minutes, but to my knowledge he didn't return to training at CFA Bundoora or anywhere else. The more general discussion on age, maturity and responsibilities? IMO where you sit on that spectrum of opinion is largely governed by how old you are. If you are of an age where you weren't an adult until you turned 21 and there was no such thing as careers advice in schools etc. etc. then you probably think "young people" - whatever that means - today want everything but still demand special treatment. But I'd rather leave that discussion to when I've had half a bottle of pinot and in the morning I won't remember what I've said and nor will anyone else who was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris p Posted September 8, 2018 Report Share Posted September 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Jovan said: Mate thats horseshit. Anyone who has played knows that a 18/19 is way below even a 22/23 year old. In everyday life yes being 19 is old enough but on a soccer pitch it's very rare. Now just because he was able to match the seniors in A League was never going to guarantee a sniff in Europe. Obviously there are exceptions of amazing players becoming regular starters at 18/19 but they are the exception. So comparing life to elite level soccer just doesn't make sense to me. Keep in mind that places like Belgium and Netherlands have much younger squads than the A-league and it does them no harm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted September 8, 2018 Report Share Posted September 8, 2018 Russia is the reason he’s gone now. That shop window event meant it probably was best for him to go to a bigger club ... plus Cahill would have been in his ear to leave. Positive is that City Group still owns him, so if things don’t work out, he’ll be back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted September 8, 2018 Report Share Posted September 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Torn Asunder said: Cahill would have been in his ear to leave This, I cringed when I saw Cahill advising him after matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted September 8, 2018 Report Share Posted September 8, 2018 1 hour ago, playmaker said: This, I cringed when I saw Cahill advising him after matches. "Mate I'm telling ya, make a hashtag and post constantly on instagram" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted September 8, 2018 Report Share Posted September 8, 2018 On 9/8/2018 at 7:42 AM, Jovan said: Mate thats horseshit. Anyone who has played knows that a 18/19 is way below even a 22/23 year old. In everyday life yes being 19 is old enough but on a soccer pitch it's very rare. Now just because he was able to match the seniors in A League was never going to guarantee a sniff in Europe. Obviously there are exceptions of amazing players becoming regular starters at 18/19 but they are the exception. So comparing life to elite level soccer just doesn't make sense to me. The topic was maturity, that is, did he come back to train his arse off or not. The AFL also has young players and some are getting game time and that is a longer match time and more physical sport than football. And some train way and above what is expected of them and two examples are Dyson Heppell and Zach Merrett. Tippa would have been promoted earlier but his attitude to training was somewhat lackadaisical. I don't believe that most 19 year olds have the capacity of a 22 year old, and similarly I don't expect a 19 year old to have the experience of a 30 year old. I do expect them to be aware that they have a commitment to make to their careers, to their colleagues and to their employers and I don't believe that their colleagues or employers should carry them if they lack maturity. And elite level sport are also employers, just like in real life. The careers are different but the sport club pays them to play. So I don't think that in that sense it is a special clause within life in general. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMSTEP123 Posted September 8, 2018 Report Share Posted September 8, 2018 As disappointing as it is, knowing Daniel and following his development closely back here I reckon: 1. Having better players ahead of him fuels him to become better - that seems to be his attitude. 2. Not being physically ready and needing conditioning to team dynamics, game style and the broader league demands is no surprise. I was on the sidelines when he got that wicked cramp and went down last season. Early on he was cooked by 60". It took him time, but he worked hard and not only played out the season but made the socceroos. Give the lad some time. We know he is good, they know he is too. When his body is right he will be conditioned in such a way that will allow him to dominate in the same ways he did here. I am sure another 6 months will see his ascent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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