HughJass Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 7 hours ago, CityHeart said: in...what has always got me is the Western United decision. They offered the most money along with Macarthur and the ffa were desperate for cash 7 hours ago, CityHeart said: We may have owed a vote/favor, with tit for tat support going on by the individuals running the league even during the FFA days. Cfg lead the charge to separate ffa and the aleague, Greg griffin was the face while Simon Pearce done all the behind the scenes stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 Club "statement" here: https://melbournecityfc.com.au/news/club-statement-on-match-abandonment 16 hours ago, HughJass said: Cfg lead the charge to separate ffa and the aleague, Greg griffin was the face while Simon Pearce done all the behind the scenes stuff The trouble is, when you let these bastards (such as CFG and Silver Lake) into your organisation, you can't get them out again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 So anyone reckon our attendance will go down significantly now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnno cpfc Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 hour ago, citypool said: So anyone reckon our attendance will go down significantly now? Just about gaurantee that !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 hours ago, citypool said: So anyone reckon our attendance will go down significantly now? Not sure. I think there will be a reaction both ways. Some will be put off, others will rally round to support the players and to ensure that the bad guys don't win. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 38 minutes ago, fensaddler said: Not sure. I think there will be a reaction both ways. Some will be put off, others will rally round to support the players and to ensure that the bad guys don't win. IMO quite a few will adopt the approach of @Nate. Continue to enjoy the football (what a pity the discussion isn't about the VDV-O'Neill goal - won't see better than that anywhere) but disengage emotionally with the club and particularly the league, and boycott the "finals." Given that the latter don't lead anywhere, the latter might not a be a bad thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted December 26, 2022 Report Share Posted December 26, 2022 https://www.theroar.com.au/2022/12/26/how-can-anyone-be-satisfied-with-the-performance-of-the-apl/ Just how I feel. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 26, 2022 Report Share Posted December 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr MO said: https://www.theroar.com.au/2022/12/26/how-can-anyone-be-satisfied-with-the-performance-of-the-apl/ Just how I feel. I rather liked the guy who bought a 3-game cheap WU membership, which was cheaper than tickets to the two matches that he wanted to see! When I started with Heart the guy that sat next to me had memberships to both Heart and Victory, because he liked watching football and wanted to support the League. I was going to do the same had Team11 got off the ground. I can't see any impediment to buying cheap memberships to all three Melbourne clubs if you wish to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted December 26, 2022 Report Share Posted December 26, 2022 (edited) If we just blame the fans, pretend they are the problem and ban everyone, then they can’t walk out anymore after 20minutes nor can they voice their opinion. Edited December 26, 2022 by Mr MO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 21 hours ago, Mr MO said: If we just blame the fans, pretend they are the problem and ban everyone, then they can’t walk out anymore after 20minutes nor can they voice their opinion. Much as I agree with you about APL, Football Australia, conflicts of interest, and all the rest of it, and share your disillusionment and anger, the issue with flares pre-dates APL by a long time. There would be no restrictions on City's supporters, imposed by the club or anyone else, if flares had not been thrown from the Derby crowd at the southern end. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr MO Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) I still cringe when our club is crying poor at the expense of the fans and couple of measly $m over several seasons. Then the stories of us bullying our way to decisions at APL level. We are owned by the CFG and the Kingdom of Abu Dhabi. Manchester City alone has a player wage bill of $6.5m AUD per week, KVDB is on $700k per week. Edited December 28, 2022 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 28 minutes ago, Mr MO said: What strikes me about this is the sense that nobody appears to be able to lie straight in bed, and that Victory always appear to be the problem. Apparently they are the biggest debtors to the APL as well, and have a major hooligan problem. Problem club in so many ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, fensaddler said: What strikes me about this is the sense that nobody appears to be able to lie straight in bed, and that Victory always appear to be the problem. Apparently they are the biggest debtors to the APL as well, and have a major hooligan problem. Problem club in so many ways. Yes I just read this just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, Mr MO said: I still cringe when our club is crying poor at the expense of the fans and couple of measly $m over several seasons. Then the stories of us bullying our way to decisions at APL level. We are owned by the CFG and the Kingdom of Abu Dhabi. Manchester City alone has a player wage bill of $6.5m AUD per week alone, KVB is on $700k per week. This pisses me off too. https://www.spotrac.com/epl/manchester-city-fc/payroll/ And even that is just the senior men's roster. Add into the the capital expenditure, the Etihad campus at HQ and the stadium in New York as examples, and the fact that here in Melbourne the club was prepared to walk away from its $12m expenditure at Bundoora. And as @fensaddler points out, no-one could get the story right as to who was at a meeting and who voted how. I'm not exaggerating when I say that the betrayal of fans by the sell-off of the Grand Final hosting rights, the subsequent behaviour at the Derby, and the failure of individual clubs to be open and transparent about their part in it all has shaken my my interest in the game to an extent that I did not believe was possible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 This Aussie Scout is on the expose Victory train today, bless him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, jw1739 said: This pisses me off too. https://www.spotrac.com/epl/manchester-city-fc/payroll/ And even that is just the senior men's roster. Add into the the capital expenditure, the Etihad campus at HQ and the stadium in New York as examples, and the fact that here in Melbourne the club was prepared to walk away from its $12m expenditure at Bundoora. And as @fensaddler points out, no-one could get the story right as to who was at a meeting and who voted how. I'm not exaggerating when I say that the betrayal of fans by the sell-off of the Grand Final hosting rights, the subsequent behaviour at the Derby, and the failure of individual clubs to be open and transparent about their part in it all has shaken my my interest in the game to an extent that I did not believe was possible. Yep. I watched yesterday's game with an apathy not felt since Joyceball, only this time it's not the football on the pitch that's the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 18 minutes ago, Nate said: Yep. I watched yesterday's game with an apathy not felt since Joyceball, only this time it's not the football on the pitch that's the problem. It’s a weird feeling supporting the boys but not the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 I just wanna point out as much as we wanna beat victory on the pitch we don't really want them to fail off it. If they go then the whole league could follow and I don't want to end up on my mother's emu farm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, citypool said: I just wanna point out as much as we wanna beat victory on the pitch we don't really want them to fail off it. If they go then the whole league could follow and I don't want to end up on my mother's emu farm So a loss making club with outstanding debt to the APL, forced the APL to redirect external investors to keep Victory afloat rather than investing elsewhere in the league. And now we are selling our finals to keep clubs like them alive. Then it’s rumoured their financial troubles are mostly due to player spending in order to remain competitive. So naive of me to think we were selling our finals to create tradition and a football festival!!! Edited December 28, 2022 by Mr MO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 These revelations are just making it all worse. I know that FFA and FA in the past have had an ownership role, such as taking over the licence of Newcastle - and don't forget that FFA owned 10% of Victory when the club started - but is that the same as lending money? It's not quite the same IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughJass Posted December 29, 2022 Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 A look into Victory's accounts 6.7m loss, 2.5m CBA loan (nothing yet about a APL loan) and a massive increase in football spending but revenue is down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted December 29, 2022 Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 17 hours ago, Mr MO said: So a loss making club with outstanding debt to the APL, forced the APL to redirect external investors to keep Victory afloat rather than investing elsewhere in the league. And now we are selling our finals to keep clubs like them alive. Then it’s rumoured their financial troubles are mostly due to player spending in order to remain competitive. So naive of me to think we were selling our finals to create tradition and a football festival!!! I dunno why you're coming down on me I just wanna watch football which seems to be a fucking sin in this country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted December 29, 2022 Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 (edited) You know whats ironic. The stick that the club and CFG gets beaten with is that it has endless resources and therefore isn't working as hard as other clubs or has an unfair advantage. What gets overlooked is how prudent our club is and fiscally responsible they are. Yes they could probably spend 100 times more than all the others put together but you know what they don't. They have a budget and stick by it. When things work on the pitch then everyone says boo, but when it doesn't thats when we want quick fixes, which generally cost. Insert a 3 to 4 million 35+ plus player that could transform the League. Edited December 29, 2022 by Jovan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted December 29, 2022 Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 32 minutes ago, citypool said: I dunno why you're coming down on me I just wanna watch football which seems to be a fucking sin in this country Nothing on you mate, just shared some information I came across. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted December 29, 2022 Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 16 minutes ago, Jovan said: You know whats ironic. The stick that the club and CFG gets beaten with is that it has endless resources and therefore isn't working as hard as other clubs or has an unfair advantage. What gets overlooked is how prudent our club is and fiscally responsible they are. Yes they could probably spend 100 times more than all the others put together but you know what they don't. They have a budget and stick by it. When things work on the pitch then everyone says boo, but when it doesn't thats when we want quick fixes, which generally cost. Insert a 3 to 4 million 35+ plus player that could transform the League. I agree that it’s annoying discussion and an exhausting debate to have with outsiders, they all think we just spend whatever - clearly that’s not the case when it comes to first team players. I do however am very conflicted in our role with the finals to Sydney decision. Just like our budgets you just mentioned is 100% financially motivated. We are the last ones to be crying poor. So what we do all think if Victory goes bust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted December 29, 2022 Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mr MO said: I agree that it’s annoying discussion and an exhausting debate to have with outsiders, they all think we just spend whatever - clearly that’s not the case when it comes to first team players. I do however am very conflicted in our role with the finals to Sydney decision. Just like our budgets you just mentioned is 100% financially motivated. We are the last ones to be crying poor. So what we do all think if Victory goes bust? Fundamentally for me no club can be bigger than the League. But as seen many times before "some" clubs do get bailed out by the League. If Victory does end up bust, then I would expect similar. What should happen with no promo/relegation their licence should then be put out to tender and whoever gets the licence can then decide whether to continue as V2 or start a new club altogether. But I cant see that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 29, 2022 Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 14 minutes ago, Mr MO said: So what we do all think if Victory goes bust? I wouldn't care at all. They and/or their "fans" have shown themselves to be irresponsible a number of times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka1 Posted December 29, 2022 Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 Anyone have our accounts? Tards are in a horrendous way lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 29, 2022 Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 47 minutes ago, Baka1 said: Anyone have our accounts? Tards are in a horrendous way lmao In essence we're a private company and AFAIK don't have any obligation to disclose our accounts to APL/FA except for the purposes of compliance with the salary cap, and AFAIK even that is not required to be made public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted December 29, 2022 Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 This seems to have not aged well. https://melbournevictory.com.au/videos/id/victory-announce-777-partners-strategic-investment/6313266401112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 29, 2022 Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 Two Melbourne clubs, one based in the south-east and playing out of AAMI and the other based in and playing out of Tarneit is rather a nice balance I think. We don't really need Victory at all. In fact they're a bloody nuisance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted December 29, 2022 Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, Jovan said: This seems to have not aged well. https://melbournevictory.com.au/videos/id/victory-announce-777-partners-strategic-investment/6313266401112 And then to allegedly find out that 777 wanted to invest elsewhere but where directed and introduced to Victory by the APL. Shambles. 13 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Two Melbourne clubs, one based in the south-east and playing out of AAMI and the other based in and playing out of Tarneit is rather a nice balance I think. We don't really need Victory at all. In fact they're a bloody nuisance. I actually agree with this, three is too many at present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted December 30, 2022 Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 As if we didn't know, Victory are the toxic locus of everything wrong with the A League. Entitled, indebted, two faced and violent. They've traded on a 'the league needs us' mentality, supported by their media fan base, whilst running up debts despite the biggest fan base and strong commercial income. Spending beyond their means to buy success, whilst failing to invest long term in youth development. Fans engaged in organised violence across their youth team, women's and senior men's matches over many years. Honestly think we have to wonder whether we would be better off without them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted December 30, 2022 Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 2 hours ago, fensaddler said: As if we didn't know, Victory are the toxic locus of everything wrong with the A League. Entitled, indebted, two faced and violent. They've traded on a 'the league needs us' mentality, supported by their media fan base, whilst running up debts despite the biggest fan base and strong commercial income. Spending beyond their means to buy success, whilst failing to invest long term in youth development. Fans engaged in organised violence across their youth team, women's and senior men's matches over many years. Honestly think we have to wonder whether we would be better off without them. I think we are better without them, they are still training in a park after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 Now taking over another club. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-city-bahia-cfg-takeover-25668788 Shouldn't be allowed to do this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Now taking over another club. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-city-bahia-cfg-takeover-25668788 Shouldn't be allowed to do this. Well at least they allowed their members to vote on this….something we can learn from. Little do they know once you let the CFG in, most likely this was the last time they got to decide on something. Edited December 31, 2022 by Mr MO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 The Victory situation is absolutely fucking dire, if the reports of the deal they've got with 777 are right, then there's a good chance they're going to be bust regardless of which way the deal goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tommykins said: The Victory situation is absolutely fucking dire, if the reports of the deal they've got with 777 are right, then there's a good chance they're going to be bust regardless of which way the deal goes. Yes. I read it as a lose-lose too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 17 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Yes. I read it as a lose-lose too. What's the latest? I haven't read up on lately but did hear that this 777 is threatening to sue Victory for mismanagement and are formally complaining to the APL for misleading conduct for directing them to invest in that club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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