rass Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 I think this whole victory being proactive and ruthless is a bullshit argument tbh. They've built their club on an ' intimidatory us against them' culture, full of bullies and arseholes. Now it's pretty hard to continue this behaviour when your all time grand chief prick leaves. So it's left to their board to pick up the slack and knt behaviour. The decision to get rid of kurz is pure scapegoat and to me, shows they are a rabble at the moment and continues their history of when shit goes wrong, just whinge and blame someone else. I see nothing positive in what they did today and we shouldn't look across at them in envy at allĀ 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted January 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Fucktree are nothing but a pile of steaming turd ... Once a tard,Ā always a tardĀ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, rass said: I think this whole victory being proactive and ruthless is a bullshit argument tbh. They've built their club on an ' intimidatory us against them' culture, full of bullies and arseholes. Now it's pretty hard to continue this behaviour when your all time grand chief prick leaves. So it's left to their board to pick up the slack and knt behaviour. The decision to get rid of kurz is pure scapegoat and to me, shows they are a rabble at the moment and continues their history of when shit goes wrong, just whinge and blame someone else. I see nothing positive in what they did today and we shouldn't look across at them in envy at allĀ Yeah yeah and Barcelona have no clue either. No the difference Victory is managed as a football club and we are ran like a business. We keep on players like Berenguer or poor performing staff because it cost money to get rid of them - thatās a business call and not based on performance. Of course Kurz is a scapegoat as he isnāt performing, 90% of clubs around the world will get rid of underperforming coaches. You are way tooĀ kind Rass. Edited January 15, 2020 by Mr MO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr MO said: Yeah yeah and Barcelona have no clue either. No the difference Victory is managed as a football club and we are ran like a business. We keep on players like Berenguer or poor performing staff because it cost money to get rid of them - thatās a business call and not based on performance. Of course Kurz is a scapegoat as he isnāt performing, 90% of clubs around the world will get rid of underperforming coaches. You are way tooĀ kind Rass. So if they're performance based, why don't their board look at themselves? Declining crowds (was happening last year), shit signings, etc..Ā they're not Kurz's problems, he inherited them. But hey, let's just re-sign an old player and sack the coach and get another quick hit fix. We're not perfect, no way. But in no way should we ever aim to be like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 28 minutes ago, Embee said: I dislike Joyce as much as anyone, but in his first season we finished third (our highest ever finish) and were a VAR fuck-up from making our first Asian Champions League. No other club in this league is a sacking a manager after he takes them to their highest ever finish and gets them within a bees dick of their inaugural Asian campaign. He should have been removed early during his second season IMO. But the point remains. Players exited under him, team stability was shit house yet our overlords stood by. The central point is that our foreign management are not 'invested' in the our club - in hearts and minds. They don't suffer any anxiety over what's happening down under because their main focus is elsewhere. Just now, rass said: So if they're performance based, why don't their board look at themselves? Declining crowds (was happening last year), shit signings, etc..Ā they're not Kurz's problems, he inherited them. But hey, let's just re-sign an old player and sack the coach and get another quick hit fix. We're not perfect, no way. But in no way should we ever aim to be like them. Like win silverware? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 minute ago, HEARTinator said: But the point remains. Players exited under him, team stability was shit house yet our overlords stood by. The central point is that our foreign management are not 'invested' in the our club - in hearts and minds. They don't suffer any anxiety over what's happening down under because their main focus is elsewhere. Like win silverware? ..as have Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide, CCM.Ā But if you want to be like victory, be my guest... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, rass said: So if they're performance based, why don't their board look at themselves?Ā Yes well unfortunately thatās not how it works in the grown up world, fair or not - line managers are first to be sacked. Havenāt come across manyĀ board members who removed themselves unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, rass said: ..as have Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide, CCM.Ā But if you want to be like victory, be my guest... Mmmmm Iām pretty sure these clubs wonĀ prizes but also have sacked respective coaches over the years. Again we arenāt ruthless enough in management and that also reflects on pitch over years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr MO said: Yes well unfortunately thatās not how it works in the grown up world, fair or not - line managers are first to be sacked. Havenāt come across manyĀ board members who removed themselves unfortunately. Of course not, so it's a bit of a contradiction to say it's performance based - but only for the one person. Unless of course when it comes to success, then I'm sure that board will be the first to reward themselves... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 13 minutes ago, rass said: ..as have Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide, CCM.Ā But if you want to be like victory, be my guest... I just want an identity that we can be proud of. Unfortunately we are coming out of the most mismanaged, demoralizing and incompetent time of out existence both on and off the pitch. CFG has taken our passion away and corporatised the club and tried to cut the club from its roots. This cuts deep for a lot of members hence why we have no membership growthĀ and have a steady decline with disenchantedĀ members not giving over the cash. Interesting times. Ā Ā 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, rass said: Of course not, so it's a bit of a contradiction to say it's performance based - but only for the one person. Unless of course when it comes to success, then I'm sure that board will be the first to reward themselves... Agreed - as said, itās not always fair but clubs make choices at a cost in the hope toĀ turn around the results/season. Itās much easier to sack theĀ coach than half the team. Edited January 15, 2020 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Mr MO said: Mmmmm Iām pretty sure these clubs wonĀ prizes but also have sacked respective coaches over the years. Again we arenāt ruthless enough in management and that also reflects on pitch over years. Ā By the way, I never said we shouldn't be ruthless and accept mediocrity. My post was purely around victory and how they behave... But I apologise, I didn't mean to offend those of us who privately flog themselves over Muscat videos. Perhaps that's our problem, we have too many people who want us to be just like victory... Not for me sorry, I cannot entertain any connection to those pricks whatsoever. Edited January 15, 2020 by rass 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IssySG Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 CFG are not the boogeymen to all of our football club's problems. Next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, rass said: Ā By the way, I never said we shouldn't be ruthless and accept mediocrity. My post was purely around victory and how they behave... But I apologise, I didn't mean to offend those of us who privately flog themselves over Muscat videos. Perhaps that's our problem, we have too many people who want us to be just like victory... Not for me sorry, I cannot entertain any connection to those pricks whatsoever. If it makes you feel better please substitute the word Victory for any other club around the world who replacesĀ their manager, reinforce mid season whenĀ believes is there to perform better or meet goals/target. I donāt like Victory but if Western would have sacked Babbel I would have used them as an example. Show ambition, show emotion as a true football club. Your hatred for Victory runs very deep. Edited January 15, 2020 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mr MO said: If it makes you feel better please substitute the word Victory for any other club around the world who replacesĀ their manager, reinforce mid season whenĀ believes is there to perform better or meet goals/target. I donāt like Victory but if Western would have sacked Babbel I would have used them as an example. Show ambition, show emotion as a true football club. Your hatred for Victory runs very deep. I admit, it does. Of course we all want to have a silverware cupboard like they do, but in no way should we ever aspire to be like them in order to get that success. We all whinge about culture on here; well that's a starting point for an identity. We are nothing like them or ever will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 I generally lean towards Rass' side of this discussion except that IMOĀ CFG/City showed themselves to be far too weak when they allowed the Fornaroli/Joyce stand-off to get to where it did. Irrespective of who did what to whom, when and where, that situation should never have been allowed to get to where it did, and IMO demonstrated plenty of incompetence in the management above Joyce. It probably did more damage to the "brand" than anything else. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, rass said: So if they're performance based, why don't their board look at themselves? Declining crowds (was happening last year), shit signings, etc..Ā they're not Kurz's problems, he inherited them. But hey, let's just re-sign an old player and sack the coach and get another quick hit fix. We're not perfect, no way. But in no way should we ever aim to be like them. Imagine what their dressing room is like at the moment. Team spirit my arse.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imtellingyou Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Victory is top club with local investors who do care about their money. As the biggest club they do care about results.Ā Ā City is completely opposite.Ā Kind of inner city hipster misconception.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, jw1739 said: I generally lean towards Rass' side of this discussion except that IMOĀ CFG/City showed themselves to be far too weak when they allowed the Fornaroli/Joyce stand-off to get to where it did. Irrespective of who did what to whom, when and where, that situation should never have been allowed to get to where it did, and IMO demonstrated plenty of incompetence in the management above Joyce. It probably did more damage to the "brand" than anything else. I don't think Rass is really defending CFG at all tbh, more so scoffing at the championing of the Victory as an example the club should follow and emulate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 41 minutes ago, Embee said: I don't think Rass is really defending CFG at all tbh, more so scoffing at the championing of the Victory as an example the club should follow and emulate. We'll I mean Victory have won a tad more than us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, haz said: We'll I mean Victory have won a tad more than us. Big deal, so has just about every other club in the league. The Tards are far from the pinnacle of running a club in this league anyway. Sydney have managed to instill a culture and structure that has run from one manager to theĀ next, whereas the Tards have already started to fall off the moment Muscat walked away Edited January 15, 2020 by Embee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Iām with @rass. Tard worshippers should take a cold shower. WhatĀ have they done? Burdened a manager with a pigs ear squad, then sacked him when he couldnāt make it into a silk purse. To top it off theyāve then hired a third highly paid winger, so now they haveĀ three big $ wingers but only 2 spots and an even more shitĀ midfield. To top it off, their new signing must be wondering what the fuck is going on. Emulate that? No thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Bookmarking this thread for when they finish above us again 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, haz said: Bookmarking this thread for when they finish above us again Lol. bookmark this post too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 People saying we need to emulate victory more can do the next best thing and go support them. Its frustrating has fuck supporting this club as you all know but to hear fans saying they want to emulate that due to their success makes me sick to my stomach. Never be like them. Ever. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Shahanga said: Iām with @rass. Tard worshippers should take a cold shower. WhatĀ have they done? Burdened a manager with a pigs ear squad, then sacked him when he couldnāt make it into a silk purse. To top it off theyāve then hired a third highly paid winger, so now they haveĀ three big $ wingers but only 2 spots and an even more shitĀ midfield. To top it off, their new signing must be wondering what the fuck is going on. Emulate that? No thanks. Missing the point, you are looking too far into it. This wasnāt discussion, well for me at least, it was about demanding the best for the club instead floating alongĀ for years and sitting out contracts of underperformers. You can take any club who makes list and management changes as an example. Anyway enough about them, looking forward to Cabreraās replaced tomorrow. Edited January 15, 2020 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 I never rated Kurtz. All the talk about his ability at Adelaide, they finished 4 points ahead of us with Joyce. When victory announced him I was more than happy. And he certainly delivered.Ā The point isn't being like victory. I agree from that perspective withĀ @rassĀ @EmbeeĀ @Shahanga. However, it feels like @Mr MOĀ is coming from the point of view that the direct similarity between Kurtz and Joyce ball and how the club's respond is the sticking point. The Joyce tenure is still raw. And fans, it seems, haven't forgotten so easily how the club was almost brought to it's knees instead of acting earlier, in the same like as victory. Not all supporters feel as strongly about it.Ā But after what we went through last seasonĀ supporters can't be blamed for feeling a little envious that our club didn't act in a similar way in this. I certainly don't.Ā 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imtellingyou Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 Life as a City member has the meaning again.Ā Retail therapy always helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnno cpfc Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 16/01/2020 at 8:36 AM, n i k o said: Ā The point isn't being like victory. I agree from that perspective withĀ @rassĀ @EmbeeĀ @Shahanga. However, it feels like @Mr MOĀ is coming from the point of view that the direct similarity between Kurtz and Joyce ball and how the club's respond is the sticking point. The Joyce tenure is still raw. And fans, it seems, haven't forgotten so easily how the club was almost brought to it's knees instead of acting earlier, in the same like as victory. Not all supporters feel as strongly about it.Ā But after what we went through last seasonĀ supporters can't be blamed for feeling a little envious that our club didn't act in a similar way in this. I certainly don't.Ā Hence the reason for our cancellation of our memberships last December(2018) to wait and see what will happen. We voted with our feet as this seemed to be the only way we could tell the club what we felt about Joyce etc. Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 Wonder how much of the current level of transfer quality will become the norm with all the new pieces in place at the FFA and the change in management at the A-League also.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMSTEP123 Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 On 14/01/2020 at 6:08 AM, citypool said: Iāve got a question but not sure where else to ask it me and my partner have city blue memberships but we wanna sit in active next game. Can we use our membership or do we need to buy tickets? How did you go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, JMSTEP123 said: How did you go? We ended up sitting in general admissionĀ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 So a lot of people are saying we should play at a small stadium. Will be interesting to see how western go at a 12k stadium in FootscrayĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, citypool said: So a lot of people are saying we should play at a small stadium. Will be interesting to see how western go at a 12k stadium in FootscrayĀ A 12k oval. BYO Binoculars. hasĀ Ā it been upgraded or is it still in pristine Ā 1960s condition? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanz Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 A 12-15k stadium would be awesome! One can dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjake1234 Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Hanz said: A 12-15k crowd would be awesome! One can dream. FTFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 On 16/01/2020 at 8:36 AM, n i k o said: I never rated Kurtz. All the talk about his ability at Adelaide, they finished 4 points ahead of us with Joyce. When victory announced him I was more than happy. And he certainly delivered.Ā The point isn't being like victory. I agree from that perspective withĀ @rassĀ @EmbeeĀ @Shahanga. However, it feels like @Mr MOĀ is coming from the point of view that the direct similarity between Kurtz and Joyce ball and how the club's respond is the sticking point. The Joyce tenure is still raw. And fans, it seems, haven't forgotten so easily how the club was almost brought to it's knees instead of acting earlier, in the same like as victory. Not all supporters feel as strongly about it.Ā But after what we went through last seasonĀ supporters can't be blamed for feeling a little envious that our club didn't act in a similar way in this. I certainly don't.Ā Exactly. The inference that some people wanted to be like Victory was spurious nonsense and missed the main point - which you have made well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 Ooof Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, haz said: Ooof Ā Itās that because we have a salary cap and the FFA are restricting us? š¬ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted January 23, 2020 Report Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, haz said: Ooof Ā Really is a rather embarrassing stat... One word would summarise our history "underwhelming"Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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