Nate Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 Looks like a Kevin De Bruyne from Wish Still excited though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fensaddler Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Love the shagging music soundtrack... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 Hopefully he hasn't been signed as a visa bench player. We really need a true creative number 10 though, I'm not sure what he offers over what we already have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Ah yes. Youtube. The ultimate player signing tool. I'm convinced. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 More seriously, I think if we'd not had the Pucci experience, we'd be seeing this as an ideal signing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 Most of his football has, in fact, been in the Eerste Division. Gets his fair share of yellows. Interesting signing. Left footer. Looking forward to seeing him play. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 Signed as a free agent too. No transfer fee 2 hours ago, fensaddler said: More seriously, I think if we'd not had the Pucci experience, we'd be seeing this as an ideal signing. Pucci, Endoh, Hughes, Hendry, Meeweis, the Austrian dude whose name I can't recall... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, jw1739 said: Most of his football has, in fact, been in the Eerste Division. Gets his fair share of yellows. Interesting signing. Left footer. Looking forward to seeing him play. What is interesting is that Florin, Pucci and now this Dutch guy all have similar profiles. Big chunk in European second divisions and similar age when coming to Australia. FYI the Dutch Eerste Divisie is not even a full professional league. He did however play in the Eredivisie for the last 3 seasons. Edited June 22, 2022 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Nate said: Looks like a Kevin De Bruyne from Wish Still excited though Slip slap slop for him in our summer league! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 14 hours ago, fensaddler said: Probably a good outcome for him and clears space in our roster. He leaves with a shed load of respect. I would love for Griff to go to Mumbai, stay with the group and perhaps starting a coaching career after. I always find him well spoken and has the right balance to become a coach. Not sure what his ambitions are of course. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 10 hours ago, belaguttman said: Signed as a free agent too. No transfer fee Pucci, Endoh, Hughes, Hendry, Meeweis, the Austrian dude whose name I can't recall... Jack Hendry isn't a fair call - he was injured in his very first match for us IIRC. The others - yes, fair call, but I don't recall an Austrian at all - are you thinking of Koren? There have been a few strange ones, but let's hope Van Der Venne isn't one of them. Aaron Hughes remains the biggest mystery for me. Still being selected for Northern Ireland but kept on the sidelines at AAMI Park. 10 hours ago, Mr MO said: What is interesting is that Florin, Pucci and now this Dutch guy all have similar profiles. Big chunk in European second divisions and similar age when coming to Australia. FYI the Dutch Eerste Divisie is not even a full professional league. He did however play in the Eredivisie for the last 3 seasons. And all three vying for the same position perhaps? Someone's going to be on the bench. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 50 minutes ago, jw1739 said: The others - yes, fair call, but I don't recall an Austrian at all - are you thinking of Koren? Richard Windbichler? Believe he was the Austrian. Koren was from Slovenia. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 30 minutes ago, MHFC-FAN said: Richard Windbichler? Believe he was the Austrian. Koren was from Slovenia. Well, there you are. I'd forgotten all about "Windy!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) On 22/06/2022 at 6:37 PM, jw1739 said: Low budget video effects, stock music and a lengthy intro of him not doing anything. Looks like a Melbourne heart kind of Visa signing Edited June 26, 2022 by KSK_47 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 I can confirm we will be making another signing. Will be announced in the next few weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 24 minutes ago, kingofhearts said: I can confirm we will be making another signing. Will be announced in the next few weeks Even a broken clock is correct twice each day. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 30, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 Rumour that Nani is going to MV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, jw1739 said: Rumour that Nani is going to MV. We will probably going to see some higher profile players coming to the league. All clubs now have a second designated player spot and there are talks about rejuvenating what a marquee player really stands for. Edited June 30, 2022 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 IMO this marquee stuff is largely pie in the sky shit. We, as in Australian football, don't have the $$$ to get anyone thats close enough to their best that will cut through to the wider sporting public, so you either end up with a good quality but not particularly nameworthy player liek a Ninkovic or Mierzejewski, or you end up with a name that's over the hill and really, ends up more of a disrespect to whats actually a decent quality league imo. Nani will be a flop both on and offfield imo, despite people kinda knowing who he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, bt50 said: IMO this marquee stuff is largely pie in the sky shit. We, as in Australian football, don't have the $$$ to get anyone thats close enough to their best that will cut through to the wider sporting public, so you either end up with a good quality but not particularly nameworthy player liek a Ninkovic or Mierzejewski, or you end up with a name that's over the hill and really, ends up more of a disrespect to whats actually a decent quality league imo. Nani will be a flop both on and offfield imo, despite people kinda knowing who he is. Giving average footballers marquee status through accounting exercises isn’t a way forward for this league either. It’s not an easy one to solve, personally I would like to see good quality with smaller names just as you mentioned. Perhaps a minimum wage cap and a minimum amount of games at certain overseas level can be carved out. Edited June 30, 2022 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 52 minutes ago, Mr MO said: Giving average footballers marquee status through accounting exercises isn’t a way forward for this league either. It’s not an easy one to solve, personally I would like to see good quality with smaller names just as you mentioned. Perhaps a minimum wage cap and a minimum amount of games at certain overseas level can be carved out. "Marquee' is purely a label tho. Ultimately its just a player designated out of the cap. Doesn't have to be a promotional style player, its just a concept that the league started with. I think the league is better than novelty players personally, and whilst you'd always take their marketability into consideration when signing players, it shouldnt be at the cost of being good enough to play in the league, or disproportionate wages. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted July 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 Interesting discussion. I'll make some comment later. For the moment though, are we of the opinion that each club can for 2022-23 have two marquee players and two designated players outside the salary cap? And is there a difference between "marquee" and "designated" other than (I think) the latter have a limited salary range with both a minimum and a maximum? And do we know what the rationale is for having these players in the first place and any difference between the two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 Largely no difference to my knowledge, but im of the understanding that the Designated player spots are kind of like mini one player salary caps as well ie you cant just swap players in and out of that slot like you can with the marquees and have no wage considerations. I could well be wrong here but i can't really see how else they could do it For example maybe you sign player a as marquee on 800k a season fro two years, but after half a season decide he's not what you want and pay him out either fully or partially. FA will let you replace the marquee with a new one, provided they dont think you are trying to rort the system, and they wont consider the financial terms of either the existing or new player. If Player B is a designated player, signs for 600k a season but we get rid of him in Jan, with 300k paid to date, you still have to fit within the 600k for the slot for the entire season. Likewise any payout is counted towards that mini cap. As for rationale, i'd suggest the designated player probably started as a concept to keep the under the cap players that were starring in the league as clubs were getting frustrated at losing the likes of Buijs and Leroy George over cap restraints and it morphed into effectively marquee-lite. I'd say it didnt just become '4 marquees' due to opposition from the clubs that can barely afford to pay 1 marquee as it is ie CCM, Adelaide, etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 1 hour ago, bt50 said: "Marquee' is purely a label tho. Ultimately its just a player designated out of the cap. Doesn't have to be a promotional style player, its just a concept that the league started with. I think the league is better than novelty players personally, and whilst you'd always take their marketability into consideration when signing players, it shouldnt be at the cost of being good enough to play in the league, or disproportionate wages. I remember something that back in the day marquee players had to be improved by the FFA. 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: Interesting discussion. I'll make some comment later. For the moment though, are we of the opinion that each club can for 2022-23 have two marquee players and two designated players outside the salary cap? And is there a difference between "marquee" and "designated" other than (I think) the latter have a limited salary range with both a minimum and a maximum? And do we know what the rationale is for having these players in the first place and any difference between the two? The introduction of these designated players, first season only one and now two are all baby steps to ultimately abandon the salary cap all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 18 minutes ago, Mr MO said: I remember something that back in the day marquee players had to be improved by the FFA. The introduction of these designated players, first season only one and now two are all baby steps to ultimately abandon the salary cap all together. They still do, but its more for the purposes of making sure clubs arent using it to rort the system. When the guest slot, and for Cahill the marquee guest slot were used, they were subject to more stringent marketability criteria when being approved by FFA. Agree re being transitional rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 I'd rather that we only had one overseas player and all the money was spent on a better quality player 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 My opinion is that this marquee and now designated player has had its day and needs to be removed. I think they should introduce 4 players, any 4 players have no restrictions, that is cap and visa. Simple and might improve quality of visa players and still give enough opportunities for local players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Jovan said: My opinion is that this marquee and now designated player has had its day and needs to be removed. I think they should introduce 4 players, any 4 players have no restrictions, that is cap and visa. Simple and might improve quality of visa players and still give enough opportunities for local players. I like that but basically, they should have a cap and up between two to four players outside the cap (depending on A-League finances). Then the clubs can do what they want - so if Perth want Sturridge because of name recognition then sure, if Sydney finds another Wankovic then fine. No need for approval from anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted July 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 I wonder what happened to that "list of 35 players" that APL was supposed to be "targeting" for the League? https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/a-leagues-to-recruit-from-marquee-sugar-hits-list-579927 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka1 Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 Sign Mooy already 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted July 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Baka1 said: Sign Mooy already He's contracted to Shanghai Port until July 2023 but I don't know when he last played for them. Transfermarkt doesn't have any information on him for the current season, but I checked and he wasn't in their match-day squad for their last match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 3 hours ago, jw1739 said: He's contracted to Shanghai Port until July 2023 but I don't know when he last played for them. Transfermarkt doesn't have any information on him for the current season, but I checked and he wasn't in their match-day squad for their last match. Move JMAC in a designated spot and use the marquee allocation for Mooy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyh001 Posted July 3, 2022 Report Share Posted July 3, 2022 Milos Ninkovic is off to WSW. Gonna have even more spice in the Sydney derby next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted July 3, 2022 Report Share Posted July 3, 2022 Mooy will be signed by us by the end of the month. Just working out the finer details of his contract. Could also get massimo luongo too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted July 3, 2022 Report Share Posted July 3, 2022 18 minutes ago, kingofhearts said: Mooy will be signed by us by the end of the month. Just working out the finer details of his contract. Could also get massimo luongo too. 31 and 29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missing_Moy Posted July 3, 2022 Report Share Posted July 3, 2022 25 minutes ago, kingofhearts said: Mooy will be signed by us by the end of the month. Just working out the finer details of his contract. Could also get massimo luongo too. Where’s this $$ coming form lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted July 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2022 29 minutes ago, kingofhearts said: Mooy will be signed by us by the end of the month. Just working out the finer details of his contract. Could also get massimo luongo too. Remind me which one is the German you promised? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka1 Posted July 3, 2022 Report Share Posted July 3, 2022 1 hour ago, kingofhearts said: Mooy will be signed by us by the end of the month. Just working out the finer details of his contract. Could also get massimo luongo too. Don’t you dare get my hopes up for a laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted July 3, 2022 Report Share Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, Missing_Moy said: Where’s this $$ coming form lol Just speculation here but we could have some $$ available with the 2 designated spots open and Jenkinson departing. Reis, JMAC, Florin and Leckie were our top earners, I can see it happening that all these players are within the cap now. Meaning marquee spots are open. Edited July 4, 2022 by Mr MO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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