Imtellingyou Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 We had many players who became champions in other clubs. We need to change something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted March 16, 2019 Report Share Posted March 16, 2019 fwiw someone thats sits near me at home games is mates with delianov and apparently kalac "hates his guts", so that wouldn't surprise me if he would want to move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted March 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2019 9 hours ago, Thrillhouse said: fwiw someone thats sits near me at home games is mates with delianov and apparently kalac "hates his guts", so that wouldn't surprise me if he would want to move Sounds like a "toxic culture" in the coaching department... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moops Posted March 16, 2019 Report Share Posted March 16, 2019 I always heard Kalac had bust ups with players and was a bad influence at other clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 Isn't kalac the reason we no longer have Bouzanis?, didn't get along with him at wsw and now he is here he was straight out the door even though he was clearly Wazza number 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 54 minutes ago, neio said: Isn't kalac the reason we no longer have Bouzanis?, didn't get along with him at wsw and now he is here he was straight out the door even though he was clearly Wazza number 1 Seems that is the case, but that story (seemingly backed up by Dean himself) was that Kalac wanted Bouzanis on a strict diet and to drop a few kg. Oh no! The coach wants his charges to behave like they’re professionals! Now my view is Dean was a good keeper but nothing special. He doesn’t want to better himself than yes, please leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, moops said: I always heard Kalac had bust ups with players and was a bad influence at other clubs. Are you saying that not only he looks like a dickhead but actually also might be one? I don’t rate him at all, he’s been trouble at every club he’s played or coached. Edited March 17, 2019 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntiScum Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 32 minutes ago, Shahanga said: Seems that is the case, but that story (seemingly backed up by Dean himself) was that Kalac wanted Bouzanis on a strict diet and to drop a few kg. Oh no! The coach wants his charges to behave like they’re professionals! Now my view is Dean was a good keeper but nothing special. He doesn’t want to better himself than yes, please leave. His move to Liverpool (had a massive ego/attitude problem) was his downfall. Could of been anything he wanted to be if he pulled his finger out. Some players move to big clubs and thinking I`ve made it when in fact the "potential fame" got their heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moops Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Mr MO said: Are you saying that not only he looks like a dickhead but actually also might be one? I don’t rate him at all, he’s been trouble at every club he’s played or coached. Pretty much, I personally don't know, but I remember a lot of grumbling and didn't Sydney get rid of him after he had a punch on with someone? Anyway, I lost respect for him when he co hosted during the world cup, showed his true colours then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Posted March 17, 2019 Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 Funny. I’ve heard very similar things about our previous goalkeeping coach Jess Van Strattan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted March 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2019 I don't know WTF we can't get decent assistant coaches for the seniors who will stay with the club for an extended period of time and actually do a good job and contribute to building the club. FFS we have the whole of CFG to draw on. Our turnover in assistants is horrible. Again the finger points at recruitment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afif Adam Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 Disappointing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughJass Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 Best youth set up in Australia..... Clowns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 46 minutes ago, HughJass said: Best youth set up in Australia..... Clowns Can't stay youth forever - at some point they need to make decision as to what is best for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughJass Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 34 minutes ago, rass said: Can't stay youth forever - at some point they need to make decision as to what is best for themselves Thats fine don't blame him for leaving at all more that the club talks about youth yet they don't play or get a decent chance in the first team. Hope he becomes a starting 11 player at western united 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, HughJass said: Thats fine don't blame him for leaving at all more that the club talks about youth yet they don't play or get a decent chance in the first team. Hope he becomes a starting 11 player at western united Comes back to that old discussion doesn't it... Do we play youth, experience or a balance? We are forever complaining on here about playing more youth and then when we do, we complain about not playing enough experience. Maybe he just wasn't good enough at this point to warrant a start. I know he played that one off blinder against Brisbane a while back, but he got that start purely because of the all the players out we had then. I must admit, I didn't see anything too special in those little cameos he played just recently, but admittedly, I haven't seen enough of him to make a real judgment. I guess though, we just cant hold onto all of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted March 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, rass said: Comes back to that old discussion doesn't it... Do we play youth, experience or a balance? We are forever complaining on here about playing more youth and then when we do, we complain about not playing enough experience. Maybe he just wasn't good enough at this point to warrant a start. I know he played that one off blinder against Brisbane a while back, but he got that start purely because of the all the players out we had then. I must admit, I didn't see anything too special in those little cameos he played just recently, but admittedly, I haven't seen enough of him to make a real judgment. I guess though, we just cant hold onto all of them. We can't hold on to most of them. In the NPL we have our "senior" youth team, and our U-20, U-18 and U-15 teams. City Football Schools is looking after the 5-13-y-o age group. The vast majority of the talented young players who will be on our books at some stage or other will never come right through the ranks and become a starting player in the A-League and then graduate to Manchester. There just is not room for them all. If only there was. But it's the same in any field of human endeavour - only the best, and probably the lucky best at that, will ever scale the pinnacle of success. I have no problem at all with Pierias leaving us. It shows that our Academy is on the right track, and we can identify talent and nurture it. It makes me feel a lot better to support this club and its philosophies rather than one that just cherry-picks from other clubs. Producing players like young Dylan means that ultimately we'll see more clubs and more fans, and more and better football because the game will grow and not stagnate. I think that's the first time I have seen a club statement about a youth player leaving us, and that in itself is a measure of respect for the lad. I wish him well. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 Shame, kid's got potential. The issue is that the way the league is set up, there is no real ability to get good young players on the books, and properly develop them. Once the salary cap goes, along with the other counter intuitive rules around signing young players, loaning them etc, we will see changes. City are positioning themselves to sign up the best young players from an early age ... When promotion relegation comes in I can see us loaning our young players to clubs seeking promotion, and even other a-league clubs, then calling them back when they are ready to step into the 1st team, guaranteed. The current youth set up is rubbish in Australia is rubbish ... https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/ffa-smashed-by-matildas-boss-milicic-over-australia-s-youth-programs City will soon be making a play for these development opportunities, and we will see more of these types of programs https://www.melbournecityfc.com.au/football-school 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: We can't hold on to most of them. In the NPL we have our "senior" youth team, and our U-20, U-18 and U-15 teams. City Football Schools is looking after the 5-13-y-o age group. The vast majority of the talented young players who will be on our books at some stage or other will never come right through the ranks and become a starting player in the A-League and then graduate to Manchester. There just is not room for them all. If only there was. But it's the same in any field of human endeavour - only the best, and probably the lucky best at that, will ever scale the pinnacle of success. I have no problem at all with Pierias leaving us. It shows that our Academy is on the right track, and we can identify talent and nurture it. It makes me feel a lot better to support this club and its philosophies rather than one that just cherry-picks from other clubs. Producing players like young Dylan means that ultimately we'll see more clubs and more fans, and more and better football because the game will grow and not stagnate. I think that's the first time I have seen a club statement about a youth player leaving us, and that in itself is a measure of respect for the lad. I wish him well. 21 minutes ago, Torn Asunder said: Shame, kid's got potential. The issue is that the way the league is set up, there is no real ability to get good young players on the books, and properly develop them. Once the salary cap goes, along with the other counter intuitive rules around signing young players, loaning them etc, we will see changes. City are positioning themselves to sign up the best young players from an early age ... When promotion relegation comes in I can see us loaning our young players to clubs seeking promotion, and even other a-league clubs, then calling them back when they are ready to step into the 1st team, guaranteed. The current youth set up is rubbish in Australia is rubbish ... https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/ffa-smashed-by-matildas-boss-milicic-over-australia-s-youth-programs City will soon be making a play for these development opportunities, and we will see more of these types of programs https://www.melbournecityfc.com.au/football-school I does not matter how the league is setup. There will always be an oversupply of players - otherwise every European 16yo would have a club for life. And as jw said, we can't hold onto all of them. For me what matters is that there is spare capacity in the youth leagues, and for the club (and presumably CFG) that when teh club chooses to keep a player, then that it was teh right call. Now I accept that not all of them will be but as long as 50%+1 would be a good hit mark. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris p Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 26 minutes ago, Torn Asunder said: Shame, kid's got potential. The issue is that the way the league is set up, there is no real ability to get good young players on the books, and properly develop them. Once the salary cap goes, along with the other counter intuitive rules around signing young players, loaning them etc, we will see changes. City are positioning themselves to sign up the best young players from an early age ... When promotion relegation comes in I can see us loaning our young players to clubs seeking promotion, and even other a-league clubs, then calling them back when they are ready to step into the 1st team, guaranteed. The current youth set up is rubbish in Australia is rubbish ... https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/ffa-smashed-by-matildas-boss-milicic-over-australia-s-youth-programs City will soon be making a play for these development opportunities, and we will see more of these types of programs https://www.melbournecityfc.com.au/football-school You can loan players right now by the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXIOM Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 Never good to lose young talented lads with potential. Sadly there might be a few to follow. We all knew that once the new teams came in this would happen. Wish him well and can see this becoming a mistake letting him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Chris p said: You can loan players right now by the way Needs to happen with promotion / relegation in play and without a cap for it to work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted March 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 Numbers and salary caps need to go, plus transfer fees need to be introduced. This way really promising players will be signed to longer contracts, and if a player does want to go before the end of his contract then at least the developing club receives some recompense for what they've put into his development. A lot of things need to be restructured - these are just two of them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 45 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Numbers and salary caps need to go, plus transfer fees need to be introduced. This way really promising players will be signed to longer contracts, and if a player does want to go before the end of his contract then at least the developing club receives some recompense for what they've put into his development. A lot of things need to be restructured - these are just two of them. It's the main reason lower tier clubs in Europe develop youth. If they are under 23, they get a fee even if they are out of contract. There is reward for the input. And if you find a good one, there is a big reward. It's what keeps many smaller clubs viable. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted March 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, fensaddler said: It's the main reason lower tier clubs in Europe develop youth. If they are under 23, they get a fee even if they are out of contract. There is reward for the input. And if you find a good one, there is a big reward. It's what keeps many smaller clubs viable. Confess I didn't know about that U-23 bit - that's brilliant though, really protects the developing club. I sometimes think that the collective knowledge on this Forum is greater than that of FFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris p Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 No Australian club will pay a transfer fee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afif Adam Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Chris p said: No Australian club will pay a transfer fee Jamies transfer to City was 135k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moops Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) Rumour is Delianov could be scooped up by WU as well, probably the best Aussie GK in his age group atm. Edited March 19, 2019 by moops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted March 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 4 hours ago, moops said: Rumour is Delianov could be scooped up by WU as well, probably the best Aussie GK in his age group atm. If we want expansion of the League to 14-16 clubs then we'd better get used to this. Each new club is going to be looking for a backbone of experience complemented by youth. The latter will come relatively cheap for them, and as has been pointed out ad nauseam the numbers and salary caps mean that existing clubs simply cannot hang on to their youth players. It's the same for every club - they are highly likely to lose players to the expansion clubs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted March 20, 2019 Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 23 hours ago, Afif Adam said: Disappointing While I'm sad to see him go as I think he's definitely got talent - he's presumably going to be behind Josh Risdon for the right back spot, and while he can definitely play a little bit more advanced up the pitch, so it seems like a supremely odd move to me from his point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted March 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 Pierias confirmed to WU. https://www.a-league.com.au/news/who-are-western-uniteds-three-new-aussies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moops Posted March 20, 2019 Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 17 hours ago, Tommykins said: While I'm sad to see him go as I think he's definitely got talent - he's presumably going to be behind Josh Risdon for the right back spot, and while he can definitely play a little bit more advanced up the pitch, so it seems like a supremely odd move to me from his point of view. He can also play LB, he has done so for us before. 19 hours ago, jw1739 said: If we want expansion of the League to 14-16 clubs then we'd better get used to this. Each new club is going to be looking for a backbone of experience complemented by youth. The latter will come relatively cheap for them, and as has been pointed out ad nauseam the numbers and salary caps mean that existing clubs simply cannot hang on to their youth players. It's the same for every club - they are highly likely to lose players to the expansion clubs. Good luck to him, if he will not play for us, then trying another team might work out for him. We could have loaned him out of course, the big lad would stand out in an Asian league, there's no second division here and he needs to play at a higher level than the NPL, like I say Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand could have been fortuitous and a good life experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted March 20, 2019 Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 56 minutes ago, moops said: He can also play LB, he has done so for us before. Good luck to him, if he will not play for us, then trying another team might work out for him. We could have loaned him out of course, the big lad would stand out in an Asian league, there's no second division here and he needs to play at a higher level than the NPL, like I say Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand could have been fortuitous and a good life experience. There you go, I've only ever seen him play on the right for our youth and senior team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXIOM Posted March 20, 2019 Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 21 hours ago, Tommykins said: While I'm sad to see him go as I think he's definitely got talent - he's presumably going to be behind Josh Risdon for the right back spot, and while he can definitely play a little bit more advanced up the pitch, so it seems like a supremely odd move to me from his point of view. Can definitely play both sides and higher up the park. In the end when RD and Atkinson weren't available Joyce would play delbo. Kid had to get out of this club. Sadly I think its one the club will be sorry for letting go. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afif Adam Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 According to the commentators on Fridays game, Bautheac is trialing at City and could see him joining by next season could be spicy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughJass Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Afif Adam said: According to the commentators on Fridays game, Bautheac is trialing at City and could see him joining by next season could be spicy He was also linked to victory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Afif Adam said: According to the commentators on Fridays game, Bautheac is trialing at City and could see him joining by next season could be spicy No thanks, most overrated visa player in the league. We can find much better 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Afif Adam said: According to the commentators on Fridays game, Bautheac is trialing at City and could see him joining by next season could be spicy Actually not what they said at all. They said this game could be like a trial run for Bautheac, as he has been linked with City. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, bt50 said: Actually not what they said at all. They said this game could be like a trial run for Bautheac, as he has been linked with City. I've heard he is linked with Victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 59 minutes ago, neio said: No thanks, most overrated visa player in the league. We can find much better Isn't he Brisbane's marquee this season? He's got precious little to show for his two seasons in the A-League. Definitely on the down-hill slide in the twilight of his career. We've got to do better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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