NewConvert Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 There are two ways to manage: 1. have a set plan about how you want to play and buy the players you need to play that way. 2. look at the players you have and devise a game plan they can play No 2 is what is needed in the A-League. And option 1 is where we run into the CFG diktat. They were very clear about the style of game they want to play and we have not been told how flexible they are on this matter. Flexibility would allow option 2 to influence option 1. If CFG are inflexible that means that the pain will last for quite a while as the club keeps changing players until the right combination is achieved. So even if they change coaches we may still be stuck with the players we have and a style that does not suit them. Mind you this does not excuse some of the poor performance that we have witnessed. The attitude and morale is definitely within the coaches job description and JVS is now failing at this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Cain Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 I'm pretty sure this whole "CFG style" thing is way overblown. All I remember them saying about it is that they want their teams to play entertaining, attacking football. That's pretty much what every single owner/administrator/manager says when arriving at a new club, so much so that it's a preset press conference response in football manager. Judging by the style JVS has been employing (ie. exactly the same formation and boring-as-shit football as when he was first here), I'd say CFG have had very little input whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 There are two ways to manage: 1. have a set plan about how you want to play and buy the players you need to play that way. 2. look at the players you have and devise a game plan they can play No 2 is what is needed in the A-League. And option 1 is where we run into the CFG diktat. They were very clear about the style of game they want to play and we have not been told how flexible they are on this matter. Flexibility would allow option 2 to influence option 1. If CFG are inflexible that means that the pain will last for quite a while as the club keeps changing players until the right combination is achieved. So even if they change coaches we may still be stuck with the players we have and a style that does not suit them. Mind you this does not excuse some of the poor performance that we have witnessed. The attitude and morale is definitely within the coaches job description and JVS is now failing at this. This was the question I asked to be raised during the FRG meeting yesterday, so I'm hoping this was discussed. Does JVS game plan match that of CFG, cause to me it's boring me even when we win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Could we tempt Popovic away from Wanderers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Could we tempt Popovic away from Wanderers? Ticks some boxes. What I would like to see is a hard nut who only hands out red and white jerseys to those who deserve them and isn't afraid to drop or drag anybody. On top of that i would like them to play a possession style football with a emphasis on 1 touch in the final third. need a coach who can deliver both those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 I want to see more direct play when in transition forward. Rather than playing the wings as much try to play a more 'verticle' brand of football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 We need a skills coach because the first touch for most of our players is pretty awful, then there is the important bit about accurate passing, not to mention positioning. Then there are the tactics - someone who knows about these might come in handy. And finally about man management, I am sure this is also a required skill. As far as Popovic is concerned - the halo has dropped right off. Milicic was the brains behind the outfit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortheloveofthegame Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Gatusso! To put a rocket up these weak c**ts! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Ante Milicic. Both Popovic and Postecoglu (at international level) have done well with him and poorly without. I just want to see what this guy can do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronAV11 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 I think we should go after Graham Arnold, give him an offer he can't refuse. He's a proven successful manager in the A-league and that's important. There are probably better managers out there but who knows how they will adjust in our league with the salary cap, squad sizes etc. Arnold is a very low risk move with proven results. He's the exact type of person we did, someone who demands wins and is sometimes still not happy with a win. The complete opposite to JVS who's attitude seems to be more like "as long as you tried your best" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Agree with this http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/fading-balkan-influence-taking-wow-factor-out-of-aleague-20150315-144dq8.html But do we want Stojkovic then? Currently on gardening duties and sampling his home made Slivovice http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2793849/dragan-stojkovic-man-replace-arsene-wenger-arsenal.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of Melbourne Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Gatusso! To put a rocket up these weak c**ts! Massive fan of gatusso. Yes please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Dennis bergkamp please 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Or ole Gunnar solskjear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Lol pellegrini if he doesn't get some decent results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Or ole Gunnar solskjear was useless at cardiff, much rather gus poyet than him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marn11 Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Or ole Gunnar solskjear was useless at cardiff, much rather gus poyet than him Poyet worth a look for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 So a new manager must be able to make clever player signings with limitations of a salary cap and rules and regulations of the league to contend with. Which of these managers suggested would be able to do this? Remembering there's managers that are willing to work with developing players and others that just want to buy any players that suit them, without hindrance of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Must be dutch, frank de boer or phillip cocu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 I want to see more direct play when in transition forward. Rather than playing the wings as much try to play a more 'verticle' brand of football. What I want is a team that can read the game, play directly when its an advantage and play to the wings when its an advantage. At the moment we are too formulaic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka1 Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Rafa benitez 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Or ole Gunnar solskjear was useless at cardiff, much rather gus poyet than him Is the a-league better than the Norwegian league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex_terra_11 Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Not sure if he's been mentioned but Patrick Viera? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melburnian Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Gus Poyet? Sunderland were atrocious to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marn11 Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Gus Poyet? Sunderland were atrocious to watch. Was very good for Brighton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Not sure if he's been mentioned but Patrick Viera? He's been mentioned several times. Currently in charge of the ManC EDS - known as "Patrick's boys." Highly regarded. Would love to have him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moops Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 someone refuted me that there were youth specialists, I said Ajax and Bayern were good examples, I am looking for quotes, but bare with me. I know Bayern has it in their charter that a youth coach is a youth coach and should never look to be a senior coach. I am pretty sure Ajax is similar, though I may be wrong on that, but I will sift through the info and find a quote (if there is one). though bare in mind that reserves are not youth coaching and that is all our youth league is, so with that, Palatsides is not a youth coach, but personally I don't see him as a first team manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melburnian Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Gus Poyet? Sunderland were atrocious to watch. Was very good for Brighton. That is true. I'm not convinced on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moops Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) Yes I am wrong about Ajax, but Bayern I am not. but you would need to download a pdf to prove. Edited March 17, 2015 by moops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Gus Poyet? Sunderland were atrocious to watch. Was very good for Brighton. what puts me off is he wanted fabio borini for 14m, crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Not sure if he's been mentioned but Patrick Viera? He's been mentioned several times. Currently in charge of the ManC EDS - known as "Patrick's boys." Highly regarded. Would love to have him.Mentioned him before JvS was re-signed. Don't know his managerial style but would be awesome to have him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureKingfisher Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Nigel Adkins? Apart from his last spell at Reading (which was mediocre) he did amazingly well at Southampton (successive promotions to the premier league, building a team to play fantastic attacking football) and previously Scunthorpe. Positive guy, great footballing brain and ability to motivate a team - would fit the City philosophy very well I think. He's unemployed following sacking at Reading and possibly looking for a new challenge? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melburnian Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Nigel Adkins? Apart from his last spell at Reading (which was mediocre) he did amazingly well at Southampton (successive promotions to the premier league, building a team to play fantastic attacking football) and previously Scunthorpe. Positive guy, great footballing brain and ability to motivate a team - would fit the City philosophy very well I think. He's unemployed following sacking at Reading and possibly looking for a new challenge? Like him. Think he would be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) I wouldn't mind a Spanish coach...but more importantly I'd like a coach who can show some emotions; you know, gets angry when a player stuffs up or actually gets excited when we score... Edited March 18, 2015 by Red or Dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 I wouldn't mind a Spanish coach...but more importantly I'd like a coach who can show some emotions; you know, gets angry when a player stuffs up or actually gets excited when we score... I suspect that the next coach will be from Spain after all a lot of the top people are from Spain. Don't really care how emotional they get on the pitch but as long as they are strict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjake1234 Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 Where the next coach comes from is immaterial. However I would worry if he is from a top league and used to buying whoever he wants. The qualities we need in a coach are: 1. Be flexible and able to work with what you have got 2. Be a good motivator 3. Be able to plan for the future and develop the team. I don't see any of these in JVS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 I thought I'd post this here as reflection on our current coaching situation compared to NYCFC. Kreis has a 43% win rate and has had proven success in the MLS. Interesting they went with someone that understands and has had experience with the league. I also found it interesting that two of the assistants had already worked with Kreis. Head Coach: Jason Kreis As a Coach: Named head coach of Real Salt Lake on May 3, 2007, becoming youngest active coach in MLS Led RSL to club’s first MLS Cup in 2009 Guided club to knockout stage of CONCACAF Champions League in 2010-11 Real Salt Lake finished runners up to Sporting KC in 2013 MLS Cup Career 102-77-60 record in 239 matches in charge of RSL Announced as head coach of New York City FC on Dec. 11, 2013Assistant Coach: Miles Joseph As a Coach: Started his coaching career as the Technical and Coaching Director for Players Soccer Academy and the Executive Director for the New York Elite soccer program in the Clifton Park, N.Y., area Most recently was on the technical coaching staff for Real Salt Lake (2010-14) Guided club to knockout stage of CONCACAF Champions League in 2010-11Assistant Coach: CJ Brown As a Coach: Hired as assistant head coach by Real Salt Lake on Jan. 18, 2010 Guided club to knockout stage of CONCACAF Champions League in 2010-11 Named assistant coach of Chicago Fire on Dec. 11, 2013 So if JVS is to be replaced will CFG hire someone that has already worked in this league or an international? I think one thing that is important is whoever they choose must have proven success to be able to take us forward. For me that was the one thing I wanted in a manager before JVS was appointed last year, a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) I'm still standing by my opinion that Mulvey may be our manager next season. He took Brisbane to a third title, Queensland's women to four Australian titles and Gold Coast United to two NYL titles. He knows the league well and 'he was invited' to Manchester City to have a look at the fascilities at the end of last year when we were struggling. And to top it off he was born in Manchester of all places. Mulvey during his coaching career has a 47% win record and more importantly a 51% win record out of 53 games when he coached Brisbane. Edited March 19, 2015 by n i k o 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCFCFan10 Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) I thought I'd post this here as reflection on our current coaching situation compared to NYCFC. Kreis has a 43% win rate and has had proven success in the MLS. Interesting they went with someone that understands and has had experience with the league. I also found it interesting that two of the assistants had already worked with Kreis.Head Coach: Jason Kreis As a Coach: Named head coach of Real Salt Lake on May 3, 2007, becoming youngest active coach in MLS Led RSL to club’s first MLS Cup in 2009 Guided club to knockout stage of CONCACAF Champions League in 2010-11 Real Salt Lake finished runners up to Sporting KC in 2013 MLS Cup Career 102-77-60 record in 239 matches in charge of RSL Announced as head coach of New York City FC on Dec. 11, 2013Assistant Coach: Miles Joseph As a Coach: Started his coaching career as the Technical and Coaching Director for Players Soccer Academy and the Executive Director for the New York Elite soccer program in the Clifton Park, N.Y., area Most recently was on the technical coaching staff for Real Salt Lake (2010-14) Guided club to knockout stage of CONCACAF Champions League in 2010-11Assistant Coach: CJ Brown As a Coach: Hired as assistant head coach by Real Salt Lake on Jan. 18, 2010 Guided club to knockout stage of CONCACAF Champions League in 2010-11 Named assistant coach of Chicago Fire on Dec. 11, 2013 So if JVS is to be replaced will CFG hire someone that has already worked in this league or an international? I think one thing that is important is whoever they choose must have proven success to be able to take us forward. For me that was the one thing I wanted in a manager before JVS was appointed last year, a winner. CFG has screwed up most everything with NYCFC but the one thing they absolutely nailed was the coaches. You guys should have the pick of the coaching litter in the A-League for the same reason we were able to lure Jason Kreis away from RSL. The position is an opportunity for them in a way that no other position in the league is. Who is regarded as the best coach in the A-league anyway? Edited March 18, 2015 by NYCFCFan10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphine Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 Ange Postecoglou ^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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