goawayvictory Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 in reference to transfer fees, if we offered say kalmar and germano to a npl club and they bought them (even if they paid like nothing for the player) does their salary continue to count against the cap? or does that open up cap space? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 The player would still need to be paid in accordance with the contract. So if kalmar was on 150k a season, the npl club would need to pay approx 75k for him to finish the contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 The player would still need to be paid in accordance with the contract. So if kalmar was on 150k a season, the npl club would need to pay approx 75k for him to finish the contract To release a player under contract the player has to agree to the release, and has to agree to the terms offered; in most cases that would be at least the total amount that would otherwise have been paid to the player, and, as discussed on here previously, that amount would be included in salary cap calculations. A player would not normally agree to a release without a pay-out unless he has another club to go to on an immediate basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 The player would still need to be paid in accordance with the contract. So if kalmar was on 150k a season, the npl club would need to pay approx 75k for him to finish the contract To release a player under contract the player has to agree to the release, and has to agree to the terms offered; in most cases that would be at least the total amount that would otherwise have been paid to the player, and, as discussed on here previously, that amount would be included in salary cap calculations. A player would not normally agree to a release without a pay-out unless he has another club to go to on an immediate basis. Bad way of explaining it : see above Good way of explaining it : see below Haha basically was trying to explain that kalmars contract would be pro rata'd out to the buying club. Don't know if that frees up the full years wage for salary cap purposes tho... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeCee Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Just making sure this thread stays fresh in the memory. Sack the cunt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Just seen a Twitter report that Javier Aguirre is likely to quit as the coach of the Japan National Team. If this is true he would be great replacement coach for us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Just seen a Twitter report that Javier Aguirre is likely to quit as the coach of the Japan National Team. If this is true he would be great replacement coach for us. That would be huge if he took over from JVS. Still not holding my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial Pints Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Just seen a Twitter report that Javier Aguirre is likely to quit as the coach of the Japan National Team. If this is true he would be great replacement coach for us. I heard he has already been signed by F.C. Incarcerated. Their merch is awesome, in particular the orange jumpsuits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Just seen a Twitter report that Javier Aguirre is likely to quit as the coach of the Japan National Team. If this is true he would be great replacement coach for us. I heard he has already been signed by F.C. Incarcerated. Their merch is awesome, in particular the orange jumpsuits I heard he was going to be in the Spanish remake of Mean Machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I heard a good joke from a mate Question to JVS What does Santa carry presents in? Answer . A sack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 City midfielder Massimo Murdocca revealed van’t Schip had changed his coaching style since the 5-1 humbling in Wellington on November 30. “Most of the leadership comes from the coach and John van’t Schip has really picked up his act and stamped his authority in the last three weeks,’’ Murdocca told SEN. “It always stems from the top and I believe he’s finally stepped up as a coach. We always respected him, but the respect has gone up a bit more. “Sometimes you have to be real aggressive. It’s not in his nature, he’s a gentleman, a great person and to see that side of him come out in the last few weeks, it’s what the club needs right now. Maybe later on not so much when the club gets bigger and stronger. “It’s that type of environment where he’s not going to accept anything less than that any more and it’s been a good reaction from him. At http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/melbourne-city-squad-set-for-mid-season-shake-up-with-nick-kalmar-first-to-move-on/story-e6frf4gl-1227161096393 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Huh? So players start respecting the coach after a few pumpings? Only in Melbourne lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 City midfielder Massimo Murdocca revealed van’t Schip had changed his coaching style since the 5-1 humbling in Wellington on November 30. “Most of the leadership comes from the coach and John van’t Schip has really picked up his act and stamped his authority in the last three weeks,’’ Murdocca told SEN. “It always stems from the top and I believe he’s finally stepped up as a coach. We always respected him, but the respect has gone up a bit more. “Sometimes you have to be real aggressive. It’s not in his nature, he’s a gentleman, a great person and to see that side of him come out in the last few weeks, it’s what the club needs right now. Maybe later on not so much when the club gets bigger and stronger. “It’s that type of environment where he’s not going to accept anything less than that any more and it’s been a good reaction from him. At http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/melbourne-city-squad-set-for-mid-season-shake-up-with-nick-kalmar-first-to-move-on/story-e6frf4gl-1227161096393"...he’s finally stepped up as a coach." Oh wow, it took him this long FFS... He should've become more aggressive last season when we lost 6 in a row! Or at least in round 2 or after the derby drubbing FFS... How else do you expect to win the league? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Let's hope that Murdocca is correct about JVS and that it does have some positive impact on our limp performances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 seen this morning in a Bunnings car park JVS , buying something to fix a leaky defence 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Need a toilet plunger to pull the shit out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) City midfielder Massimo Murdocca revealed van’t Schip had changed his coaching style since the 5-1 humbling in Wellington on November 30. “Most of the leadership comes from the coach and John van’t Schip has really picked up his act and stamped his authority in the last three weeks,’’ Murdocca told SEN. “It always stems from the top and I believe he’s finally stepped up as a coach. We always respected him, but the respect has gone up a bit more. “Sometimes you have to be real aggressive. It’s not in his nature, he’s a gentleman, a great person and to see that side of him come out in the last few weeks, it’s what the club needs right now. Maybe later on not so much when the club gets bigger and stronger. “It’s that type of environment where he’s not going to accept anything less than that any more and it’s been a good reaction from him. At http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/melbourne-city-squad-set-for-mid-season-shake-up-with-nick-kalmar-first-to-move-on/story-e6frf4gl-1227161096393 I believe he's finally stepped up as a coach! either JVS is gone, or Mass wont be playing much in the future if JVS stays Edited December 19, 2014 by japiedog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Some of our players astound me. Do they really only put in an effort if they have a sergeant-major type of coach yelling at them the whole time? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 City midfielder Massimo Murdocca revealed van’t Schip had changed his coaching style since the 5-1 humbling in Wellington on November 30. “Most of the leadership comes from the coach and John van’t Schip has really picked up his act and stamped his authority in the last three weeks,’’ Murdocca told SEN. “It always stems from the top and I believe he’s finally stepped up as a coach. We always respected him, but the respect has gone up a bit more. “Sometimes you have to be real aggressive. It’s not in his nature, he’s a gentleman, a great person and to see that side of him come out in the last few weeks, it’s what the club needs right now. Maybe later on not so much when the club gets bigger and stronger. “It’s that type of environment where he’s not going to accept anything less than that any more and it’s been a good reaction from him. At http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/melbourne-city-squad-set-for-mid-season-shake-up-with-nick-kalmar-first-to-move-on/story-e6frf4gl-1227161096393 :hkpalm: :hkpalm: oh holy sh!t, finally worked it out have we - just 4.5 years too late! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Haha. Fucking hell. I can't help but to just smile and shake my head sometimes. I am sure it was meant to sound reassuring and complimentary of him but that is going to go down with "if we win, we win" and "I thought we had already won" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Some of our players astound me. Do they really only put in an effort if they have a sergeant-major type of coach yelling at them the whole time? I agree, where is your own personal motivation to succeed???? Are you so pathetic that you must have a person whacking you with a stick to get anywhere ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Murdocca: double facepalm.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Sacked in the morning at 75 mins while we're 3-0 down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Heartspur Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Sacked in the morning at 75 mins while we're 3-0 down? From both sets of supporters! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 City midfielder Massimo Murdocca revealed van’t Schip had changed his coaching style since the 5-1 humbling in Wellington on November 30. “Most of the leadership comes from the coach and John van’t Schip has really picked up his act and stamped his authority in the last three weeks,’’ Murdocca told SEN. “It always stems from the top and I believe he’s finally stepped up as a coach. We always respected him, but the respect has gone up a bit more. “Sometimes you have to be real aggressive. It’s not in his nature, he’s a gentleman, a great person and to see that side of him come out in the last few weeks, it’s what the club needs right now. Maybe later on not so much when the club gets bigger and stronger. “It’s that type of environment where he’s not going to accept anything less than that any more and it’s been a good reaction from him. At http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/melbourne-city-squad-set-for-mid-season-shake-up-with-nick-kalmar-first-to-move-on/story-e6frf4gl-1227161096393 :hkpalm: :hkpalm: oh holy sh!t, finally worked it out have we - just 4.5 years too late! JVS just confirms what Mass said.http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/koren-finally-set-for-derby-debut-as-city-seek-to-end-victory-streak-20141219-12aht4.html "He was no longer prepared to protect and mollycoddle players to help them build their confidence, he said. "I told the players that we will look game by game. The time for giving players a lot of confidence didn't bring what we are looking for, so the approach is different. We look at who is training good, who is in form, who is giving us what we need to get results, so we will approach that every time in the new game coming up. "It's normal in sport if the results are not going the way you think they should go, and other players deserve a chance. It doesn't mean that those are going to stay on every time. Now you have to earn the right to play, the expectations are higher, the results are important and for that the approach to playing is also different." LOL JVS, "Now you have to earn the right to play". Can't imagine this kind of rubbish from Popa or Arnie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silva10 Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 City midfielder Massimo Murdocca revealed van’t Schip had changed his coaching style since the 5-1 humbling in Wellington on November 30. “Most of the leadership comes from the coach and John van’t Schip has really picked up his act and stamped his authority in the last three weeks,’’ Murdocca told SEN. “It always stems from the top and I believe he’s finally stepped up as a coach. We always respected him, but the respect has gone up a bit more. “Sometimes you have to be real aggressive. It’s not in his nature, he’s a gentleman, a great person and to see that side of him come out in the last few weeks, it’s what the club needs right now. Maybe later on not so much when the club gets bigger and stronger. “It’s that type of environment where he’s not going to accept anything less than that any more and it’s been a good reaction from him. At http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/melbourne-city-squad-set-for-mid-season-shake-up-with-nick-kalmar-first-to-move-on/story-e6frf4gl-1227161096393 :hkpalm: :hkpalm: oh holy sh!t, finally worked it out have we - just 4.5 years too late! JVS just confirms what Mass said.http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/koren-finally-set-for-derby-debut-as-city-seek-to-end-victory-streak-20141219-12aht4.html "He was no longer prepared to protect and mollycoddle players to help them build their confidence, he said. "I told the players that we will look game by game. The time for giving players a lot of confidence didn't bring what we are looking for, so the approach is different. We look at who is training good, who is in form, who is giving us what we need to get results, so we will approach that every time in the new game coming up. "It's normal in sport if the results are not going the way you think they should go, and other players deserve a chance. It doesn't mean that those are going to stay on every time. Now you have to earn the right to play, the expectations are higher, the results are important and for that the approach to playing is also different." LOL JVS, "Now you have to earn the right to play". Can't imagine this kind of rubbish from Popa or Arnie. You should always have to earn the right to play. One bad game is acceptable.....but two, three, four etc isn't. This is the problem that JVS has caused. He has been happy to select the same players who have failed him. Sounds to me he has been given notice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 "He was no longer prepared to protect and mollycoddle players to help them build their confidence, he said. "I told the players that we will look game by game. The time for giving players a lot of confidence didn't bring what we are looking for, so the approach is different. We look at who is training good, who is in form, who is giving us what we need to get results, so we will approach that every time in the new game coming up. "Now you have to earn the right to play". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhitePride Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) What an absolute farce, but hey, at least it appears something is being done about it (from CFG's end). Edited December 19, 2014 by RedAndWhitePride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 And these comments from JVS get to the Heart of our problems from Day 1. He has allowed an air of complacency to set in where "if we win we win, if we lose we lose". His lack of killer instinct has infected the playing culture. Time to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 And these comments from JVS get to the Heart of our problems from Day 1. He has allowed an air of complacency to set in where "if we win we win, if we lose we lose". His lack of killer instinct has infected the playing culture. Time to go. Yup. And once again a bunch of people on an internet forum could see that not only was it not working, it was creating a toxic mentality at the club also. Yet somehow the Dutch master missed it. I often wonder if when JVS goes back to Holland and is having private dinner parties with all his old buddies, he joking refers to this club as "the Penske file" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 And these comments from JVS get to the Heart of our problems from Day 1. He has allowed an air of complacency to set in where "if we win we win, if we lose we lose". His lack of killer instinct has infected the playing culture. Time to go. These comments say as much about the senior management at the club, and the players, as they do about van 't Schip. There just hasn't been accountability for performance right throughout the organization. I really don't care that much about the rest of this season. I just want to see the building blocks for the future put in place by CFG as quickly as possible, whatever disruption it causes. I've read and understood the comments about the "CFG way", but IMO the Melbourne City situation needs a quicker response than perhaps they originally thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 5 yr extension after today Key to the city and moomba king every year Btw Delete this topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Polak Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Delete this topic Nah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 (edited) Have to hand it to him, he has made changes in his management of the squad and style of play. Notice a lot less passes back to the keeper as well. Edited December 20, 2014 by n i k o 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Have to hand it to him, he has made changes in his management of the squad and style of play. Notice a lot less passes back to the keeper as well. Very true Kisnorbo worked the ball sideways and forward more than ever, not taking the lazy option of back pass to the keeper 9 out 10 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interstatefan Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Yeah it's very evident the style of play has changed for the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewmac Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 its taken for his job to be on the line for him to do it , why not sooner ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 One game does not make a season nor a coach. Specially with this club. If the changes in playing style are permanent and players really have to give their all to get a game; and thsi brings results then he can see out the season. Then he can be reviewed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityHeart Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 mass' interview this week shows that the guy is reactionary and it took till all but losing his job for him to change and adapt. That is not the sign of a good coach. Koren in, an actual target man after the break may save his season, but I cant see it going further unless something unbelievable happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defibrillator Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 (edited) One game does not make a season nor a coach. Specially with this club. If the changes in playing style are permanent and players really have to give their all to get a game; and thsi brings results then he can see out the season. Then he can be reviewed. Really agree with this. We should all enjoy the warm inner high last night gave us, but I hope CFG has its eyes surely fixed on the future with a clinical dispassionate stare. We've all seen wins and "false dawns" multiple times with this club, but it's a long season and this alone will tell us the story. A good start would be testing the league leaders this Friday and putting in a good display, followed by two very winnable away games to show we can take our "form" on the road. I think we'll have a much better picture of where we're really at before the Asian Cup break. The passion shown last night should be the baseline and not the exception. Will be fascinating to see if we can replicate it and start producing consistently. My scepticism levels are still high but more than happy for them to be reduced!! And how frustrating is it to know we can play with that passion but rarely do!!! Does my head in.. Edited December 20, 2014 by Defibrillator 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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